How do we draw the line? Acceptable behavior discussion

Meteor Driz·Jul 15, 2016·2 votes·662 views

Hello fellow summoners,

By now we have a pretty good idea about what ISNT acceptable by players in terms of behavior. Now to keep us balanced, I wanted to start the conversation about what IS acceptable.

Primary topic: How do we define what is acceptable and what is not? Why?

Sub-Questions: Should action be taken for over reporting?

Is friendly "smack-talk" okay? How do we define it?

Should Riot decide what is acceptable or should we, the community, decide what is acceptable?

How do you feel about a personalized language filter?

5 Comments

ModWuksJul 15, 20162 votes

Primary topic:

How do we define what is acceptable and what is not? Why?

The report system is region-specific; this means that as players report what they view as negative/toxic behavior, the system picks up on what that region's expectations are regarding punishable behavior. As a general rule, attacking other players is a no-no, while bantering/friendly "smack-talk" is okay unless it can clearly be viewed as offensive/derogatory. Cultural expectations are something that each of us pick up on a day-to-day basis through our interactions with other individuals. If someone walked up to you and called you a racial slur or started following you calling you names/being a dick, you'd probably pick up on that not being acceptable behavior.

In a nutshell, use your best judgment, and err on the side of caution rather than risk being seen as a dick.

scazzmanJul 15, 20161 votes

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Primary topic:

The report system is region-specific; this means that as players report what they view as negative/toxic behavior, the system picks up on what that region's expectations are regarding punishable behavior. As a general rule, attacking other players is a no-no, while bantering/friendly "smack-talk" is okay unless it can clearly be viewed as offensive/derogatory. Cultural expectations are something that each of us pick up on a day-to-day basis through our interactions with other individuals. If someone walked up to you and called you a racial slur or started following you calling you names/being a dick, you'd probably pick up on that not being acceptable behavior.

In a nutshell, use your best judgment, and err on the side of caution rather than risk being seen as a dick.

i honestly feel like letting the community decide whats toxic is a bad idea. it just reinforces mob rule. or as jolly old ben franklin would say "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

TrulyBlandJul 16, 20162 votes

Just that the vote Ben Franklin is looking at there, is a binary one. The majority not determining the majority of the choice, but in fact the entire choice. Apart from the way toxicity is defined/determined not really being a proper vote to begin with, this is not binary, but instead very nuanced.

The system doesn't work by saying "oh, the majority thinks it's toxic, thus it's toxic and if it happens once that person is to be 100% instantly permabanned". There are terms like "gg ez", which are widely considered negative, but ultimately are not reported as frequently, because it's perceived as mildly negative. That's why the system picks it up as negative, but to actually get banned for saying "gg ez" alone, you'd have to spam it every game you win... and even then it's kind of a stretch. On the other hand you have racial/sexist/homophobic slurs, which are considered extremely negative and usually are punished very very swiftly.

This isn't a majority-rules kind of democracy.

CystJul 15, 20161 votes

Who is this WE? Last I checked it was riot that decides.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Kim Chi VendorJul 15, 20161 votes

You can actually be pretty damn toxic and rude without getting valid reports in this game already. When you go off the rails with 50+ lines and cuss words is where the system draws the line.