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So my acc was permabanned for "scripting", but here's what I actually do.

AuthoStats·6/6/2019, 7:39:54 AM·2 votes·3,077 views

One thing I enjoy doing during games is using a custom macro that spams Ctrl+3 or 4, with Rightclick. This makes the player model move around spazzing out with whatever the emote is, in the case of Yuumi you just shake violently. Because of the nature of this macro, I am unable to do anything until I turn it off, otherwise I'll be stuck canceling my auto attacks and can't play the game. That's the only "script" like behavior I use, but this is not refereed to as scripting, as that term is reserved for extreme cases of AI usage.

Fast forward to 6/2/19, I log in to see that my account is permanently banned without warning for "scripting". Needless to say I was pissed, and I made a ticket, only for the ticket to be denied. Lets look at what other sources have to say about this kind of Macro usage.

Riots own support page. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/225266848-Third-Party-Applications Says the following:

We don’t like applications that provide measurable player advantage. We’d like to set fair expectations by calling out some features that definitely aren’t okay. Some examples of measurable player advantage:

Exposing information that’s intentionally obfuscated (cooldowns or timers) Taking actions on your behalf (botting or scripting) Drawing conclusions for you (predicting enemy positions) Altering your field of intelligence (zoomhacks or global ult alerts)

Does Emote-spamming fall under any of these? No. The only potential application if the "Taking actions on your behalf" but as you will see later on, this is limited to actions that positively impact your own gameplay such as a Macro for Lee sin ward hopping, or an actual script like auto aiming with Xerath. Let's keep reading.

PUNISHMENTS Suspensions for the use of third-party applications can vary in length depending on the severity of the offense, up to a permanent suspension for consistent, blatant use. If these applications were used to gain rating in ranked, we may also remove the account’s ranked rewards for the season.

Let's just get one thing clear, I was not suspended earlier for a small period of time, I was suddenly banned permanently. Based on this, if my actions were seen to violate their acceptable usage of third-party applications, then the ban is of proper length. Not much to see here, though it would've been nice to get a micro-ban telling me to stop so I wouldn't have to deal with a Perma-Ban.

Now here's the big part.

Some third-party applications offer multiple services, some of which may fall within acceptable territory. If that application offers any unauthorized services, using it at all will still result in the loss of your account.

Based on this, using ANY program that has the possibility of being used maliciously is enough to perma-ban someone. Does that seem fair? Not really, it's the equivalent of arresting someone for owning a gun with charges of mass-murder, despite them never using it outside of a shooting range. Not only is this section not very logical, it is also followed up with contradictions from other sources.

The following is from this post. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt

📷ZGM Dazzling (NA) - 3 years ago Does using macros count as scripting? 📷Wuks (NA)Boards Developer - 3 years ago Macros that automate any aspect of your gameplay are against the Terms of Use. 📷ZGM Dazzling (NA) - 3 years ago Even if they help you type things 📷Wuks (NA)Boards Developer - 3 years ago Text macros are fine (don't go overboard and spam), but if you're going to macro a series of spells together, that's not.

According to Wuks, there are times where using Macros is acceptable. Typing in chat is "fine", so why is something like using Emotes while walking not?

The response to the ticket states

We work hard to preserve a fair and competitive environment in League of Legends so when we find an account is making use of a program that gives it an unfair advantage in the game(whether it was used effectively or not) we do issue a ban to it without warnings.

So now we get some conflicting into. A program that has the possibility to be harmful is ban-able, yet other sources are telling me that there is acceptable usages of third-party programs which as stated by Wuks is things along the lines of typing in chat with a macro.

I then sent this information and got another response from the ticket telling me:

this was not a mistake even taking into consideration the program you described to me here for using emotes and the unaccounted games.

First off, "even", implying that something else was the cause of the ban, and this something else is never going to be told to me, because I'm not entitled to know why I'm banned. Second off, HOW is it fair that people can bully others, constantly harrass people, HACK, and still get away with a minor ban, but me using an EMOTESPAM is way over the top, and worthy of an instant perma-ban with no warning, and

the suspension on this account won't be lifted under any circumstances due to the nature of this ban in this case.

Guess I'm going to loose all of my money and time spent in this game because I chose to have some fun and emote-spam, but I guess that is deemed explicitly against the rules, with no second chances. This is ridiculous. Is there no mercy, no logic, behind the ban system for third party programs? The worst thing i can even do with this program, which by the way, is necessary for my Keyboard and Mouse to have functioning lights, is make a lee sin ward hop macro, I can't do some insane scripts that give me a nasty advantage. NOTHING about my case reeks of "unfair advantage", so why is it being treated as such? I quite literally have done nothing to ruin the gameplay experience for others.

Can anyone here sit down and give me any logical reason as to why my account deserved to be permabanned from using a macro to walk while dancing?

I am currently fighting this with Riot support, specifically 0rphan, and I'll see what happens, but this is stupid, I don't deserve to loose my account because of this.

32 Comments

mack91126/6/2019, 7:48:06 AM9 votes

But you did use a script something that riot has made very clear is 0 tolerance

Timethief496/6/2019, 7:52:32 AM5 votes

Macros that do multiple button presses with one action are not allowed. They likely cant be sure what you used it for, if you used to for what you say you did or for a actual advantage, lets say for lee sin automaticly place a ward and w with one press.

Thingamajig6/6/2019, 8:04:37 AM4 votes

imagine how easy it would be to change your macro to spam eves q or skarners q when nearby enemies

the ban is deserved

most people that use these kind of micro scripts to annoy people in game usually talk to the support first if the program is allowed so they don't get banned for it

Umbral Regent6/6/2019, 12:48:50 PM3 votes

Can anyone here sit down and give me any logical reason as to why my account deserved to be permabanned from using a macro to walk while dancing?

Well, let's look at it this way;

One thing I enjoy doing during games is using a custom macro that spams Ctrl+3 or 4, with Rightclick. This makes the player model move around spazzing out with whatever the emote is, in the case of Yuumi you just shake violently. Because of the nature of this macro, I am unable to do anything until I turn it off, otherwise I'll be stuck canceling my auto attacks and can't play the game.

You openly state that your macro uses in-game actions (right-click movement to interrupt champion emotes). And, even though it's not in a super-impactful way, your macro does alter your ability to play the game in some way, shape, or form. Sure, in this case, it really just prevents you from playing the game until you turn it off, but the issue is still there.

And, as you pointed out earlier;

Some third-party applications offer multiple services, some of which may fall within acceptable territory. If that application offers any unauthorized services, using it at all will still result in the loss of your account.

Based on this, using ANY program that has the possibility of being used maliciously is enough to perma-ban someone.

Your argument about a potential violation is noted, but it's not relevant here. You're using a macro that can alter gameplay by automating actions within the game. There are differences between reality and videogames, and in this case, punishing for potential violations does make sense. You have the ability to automate your gameplay so as to give you an edge - even if you're using it for silly emote flipouts, that's not going to fly. They can't - and generally shouldn't - assume that gameplay macros/scripts will be benign.

According to Wuks, there are times where using Macros is acceptable. Typing in chat is "fine", so why is something like using Emotes while walking not?

Chat macros are a grey-area. There are good uses for chat-related macros, some which I personally don't agree with (specifically, using AutoHotKey, I think it was, to "unbind" the Enter key), but one could still set up useful chat macros to allow them some specific use of chat without disrupting the flow of gameplay - such as having a macro to type "GJ" so that you can congratulate a teammate for something, even if you're occupied with something yourself.

And, again, read above; there's a difference between setting up chat macros and actually screwing with gameplay, the potential ramifications of the latter meaning that Riot can't allow you to use gameplay macros even for reasons like the aforementioned emote flipouts.

Being blunt, I don't see this ban being overturned. I don't know why you have to set up a gameplay macro to spam emotes and right clicks - I get on just fine with old-fashioned button-mashing - and that you're trying to make an argument with chat macros doesn't really help, since those are apples and oranges.

Unless there's something in the chat that can give players a seriously unfair advantage that I don't know of, in which case, I could see arguing that chat macros are similar to gameplay macros. But until such information comes up, they are - as stated - apples and oranges.

Vreivai6/6/2019, 7:17:35 PM3 votes

You're not going to win this. You used a macro that inputs move commands for you. That's about as explicit a violation of the rules as you can get.

Nothing in the rules says that it must give you an advantage to be ban-worthy.

As far as what Wuks said that you quoted, he said text macros are fine. What you did went beyond that. Nothing in what you quoted there should have given you the idea that using a macro that inputs movement commands for you is fine. In fact, the first line quoted from Wuks explicitly said that what you were doing was ban-worthy. Movement is part of your gameplay.

Telephone Booth6/6/2019, 9:36:34 PM1 votes

Well you said it makes your champ spaz out. So, it affects more than text. They said you can be banned whether its effective or not. So yeah.. it doesn't give you an advantage, but they specifically say you can be banned whether youre using it as an advantage or not. But good luck with support. i hope you at least get it lowered to a 14 day ban.

Im Coming Senna6/6/2019, 8:16:07 AM1 votes

for 1..... it wouldnt be instant perma ban. generally that is a 14 day ban, so you are fibbing about no prior punishments.

for 2..... it gives an advantage to the enemy team. You yourself said it can make it so that your autos cancel. this means you are giving an advantage to the enemy team.

for 3..... it is still doing in game actions that are non chat related. It does effect gameplay. Thus, if that is allowed, they would have to allow others. Whether helpful or not to YOU means nothing.

Cheini6/6/2019, 8:44:34 AM1 votes

the best thing you can try is to ask them to check a replay.. because, this is in deed not against the rules; you can try with another supp 3-4 weeks later

i also use some "dark area" scripts - specifically a chat one, and am still not banned... what you are doing seems fine as well, so long as this is the only macro you use: mind that the sentry checks skillshot accuracy and many other factors besides click spamming!

Original Sin6/6/2019, 10:14:44 AM1 votes

tldr u got banned for scripting

Shadowbyte6/6/2019, 6:26:56 PM1 votes

Is there no mercy, no logic, behind the ban system for third party programs?

No. Riot doesn't care about context. If you're caught using a 0-tolerance thing according to their rules no matter how much circumstance there is in your favor riot will still perma ban you.

If you think about it logically, riot is a business and businesses have investors and bottom lines. They can't go through case by case humanely because it would cost them too much to do so. The only other alternative is to pass judgement with like you said: "no mercy, no logic". They already have your money so why would they care? Ethically it's wrong to treat your player base like this but hey, money makes the world go round.