Intentional Feeding

Drakusatheon·2/23/2016, 6:08:02 AM·2 votes·1,812 views
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So my long time friend claims she got permabanned for intentionally feeding. I'm not altogether sure about the claim, but as I can't see her screen or dispute this sort of thing, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Firstly; a bit of background.

My friend has been playing longer than I have. She got me into the game back...I think about the time after Udyr came out? It's been years.

She's an ADC main, and she's pretty good. The problem is she tilts a bit easily. But she doesn't go ranting in the /all chat or even at her team. She just gets vocal in Skype or Discord and doesn't really say anything in team chat. She tends to keep global chat off, and if someone on the team starts getting snarky, she mutes them. So toxic behavior isn't really an issue; she doesn't take it out on her fellow players. If anything, she beats herself up about it. She's a lot better than she likes to think sometimes, but that's just how she is. She's a pessimist.

She's also not the kind to spend a lot of time doing research on the meta. She has a busy work and home life, so typically I'm the one to bring up what is strong/weak in the meta, and the way it's moving. But this current meta has had her sort of...stymied. She hasn't been doing well adjusting to it for whatever reason, and unfortunate (as previously stated) she goes on tilt pretty easily when lane starts falling behind.

Now, when she tilts, she doesn't get violent. She just sort of stops learning from her mistakes and has a tendency to remake them. She usually starts picking up again if her tilt balances out, but lately it's been pretty rough. She's had back-to-back losing streaks, and when she finds a window of success, it doesn't seem to be lasting long this season. Same goes for me really. I tend to play Support, and unfortunate there's only so much you can do. The rest is in the hands of your teammates. I tend to support her when we play together, and admittedly I sometimes get a bit overzealous and over-extend. We both do. But I've never so much as gotten a warning about feeding, or being reported for it. At least, not in recent memory of the last few seasons.

Back to this latest losing streak. In the game she supposed got banned after, she had gone 4/8/2 as Ezreal in bot lane. She was more or less building normally and doing what she could to get some money. While we fought, she stayed mostly bot lane trying to catch back up, and I was trying to keep the bot area warded up so she could do so while I stayed with the team. Before that game, she claimed she had gotten a warning that she had been reported for intentional feeding (the previous game she had played Ashe and her performance was...less than stellar. But she was still building normally and trying). I was convinced she was exaggerating, because she doesn't really go on feeding rampages or the like. But we lost the last game, and she said she got permanently banned.

I won't post her name because that's against board rules, but I am curious. I've posted the recent match history, all the way up to the last game we played last night. I've sent in a support ticket asking if Intentional Feeding punishments work on an algorithm, and if so for a little more insight into it. But I suppose I'll get to the TL;DR

TL;DR Does the above match history, builds (whether sub-optimal or not), picks, and scores seem like something that should or would get someone banned for intentional feeding, or if a ban was placed, should it be disputed? Can one be permanently banned for such a thing without prior punishment? I'd like some insight an opinions. I'm curious what you guys think.

If you have any questions, I can answer them to the best of my ability.

14 Comments

One Angry Yordle2/23/2016, 6:19:37 AM2 votes

Riot has stated multiple times that they will only discuss an account with their owner. Playing "the detective" for your friend won't help her cause any. Ultimately if your friend wants to talk to Riot about the ban she will need to submit a ticket to Player Support.

It sounds like you are also asking about the Instant Feedback System (IFS)

Recently the IFS system had some updates for the 2016 season you can read about them here.

Also there have been many sob stories posted on the boards and it turns out the player was misrepresenting the situation. I'm not saying that is the case with you; just not sure how much sympathy you can expect. Ultimately, the matter of your friend's account is between her and Riot. That said wanting to know how systems work is understandable.

edit: A word because I spell gud.

Skadeglädje2/23/2016, 7:10:02 AM1 votes

Granted, this history doesn't look like it belongs to a "let's wreck the system by intentionally feeding every game and buy tons of boots" player. But intentionally feeding could be something else.

Let's say a 1/4/12 Nautilus support gets a kill, gets flamed by his (a--h---) ADC for KSing, tilts, chats "f*** this MF, free kills bot", feeds two kills and ends up 2/6/12. This, imho, is intentional feeding and should be punishable. But it won't be apparent from looking at his match history.

(And yes, this is stuff I've actually encountered on the rift a couple of times.)

To be clear: NOT saying that this is what your friend did. Just discussing the concept.

DarkweaverZ2/23/2016, 7:18:05 AM1 votes

First off.. a ban for going a bit negative under 10 deaths shouldn't be bannable. Second, it's f**king normals... I get people that literally feed in ranked and Riot doesn't do a dang thing about it half the time. I had a 4 person report against a teemo troll on my team once and the other team refused to report him because he helped them win. Sometimes the ban/punishment system feels like a complete joke. If your friend was Ashe or Nami then so be it. I've seen people go 3/20 and worse in ranked. Norms is literally just for fun or trying to learn new champs. I don't see why people get so worked up about it all the time unless that person was intentionally doing harm for the others.

Koonta Kintae2/23/2016, 4:28:12 PM1 votes

my account was banned for the same reason even though I don't intentionally feed. Under Rito's new system it's basically get banned for being Bronze V. Low bronze is a report fest and it's literally just weight of reports that gets you banned. And if you play a lot you're probably more likely to get banned as more games = more reports. Deserve has got nothin' to do with it.

spirit cooking2/23/2016, 7:15:42 PM1 votes

They said 1 in 6000 punishments are mistakes, so it could very well be a mistake.

Maratsune2/24/2016, 8:49:29 AM1 votes

Damn. That match history should in no way justify a ban, that's ridiculous. If somebody were actually intentionally feeding to the extent to deserve a ban, I'd expect at LEAST 10 deaths every game. And it's probably possible to get significantly more than that. Either way, she needs to submit a ticket and get this shit sorted out because as is it's just sad.

shyv2/23/2016, 6:19:33 AM1 votes

jesus, if this is intentionally feeding i hope riot doesn't ever see me play riven

hope this works out. seems like she was just having some off games.

submit a support ticket and see what they can do.

Akuma No Kitsune9/13/2017, 3:09:26 PM1 votes

Playing Detective for your friend won't help the cause since Riot will only talk to her about her account. Kinda sad but that's how it goes. I'm kinda in your corner, I don't see anything out of place save a less-than-stellar KDA. If you ask me, all the changes Riot made to the META have me stumped as well. I can usually do ok with my usual mid lane rotation but lately I've been getting 50/50 junglers and top lanes that just can't seem to figure out what they're doing. I've almost convinced myself that people pick Ornn or Kayn Top Lane in order to get away with Intentional Feeding as those champions are new and people still don't know how to play them (I literally had a game with an Ornn Jungle - not a bad pick in my opinion - but he literally NEVER used his ult until like 20 mins into the game even though he had numerous opportunities before the 20 min mark).

As far as the IFS goes, I don't really like it. You can go through like 100 to 200 games without ever disconnecting and then 2 or 3 games of that happening and boom! 5 min wait timer. Go another 100 to 200 games again, disconnect once, boom! 10 min wait timer. This goes on until you get a 20 min wait timer, a 2 week ban, then a permanent ban! It really is not great. I mean hell, I liked it better when there were real people (not a machine) doling out punishments.