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Why is supports taking the ADC's farm not reportable?

Lord Deldy·2/21/2019, 9:44:55 PM·1 votes·3,462 views

To make a long story short, in two recent games I have played, I did not finish a kill (because I missed my Q with Ezreal, because they flash healed and got away etc.), and it has tilted my support to the point of purposely taking farm. I'm talking Velkoz level 3 blowing abilities to last hit and putting me behind.

There was a story recently of singed queuing up as support but getting banned because he was roaming and doing nothing to support, aka not playing his position properly. So my question is, why is supports purposely taking farm, not the same exact thing as that singed was doing?

The Velkoz in my game was so troll that he flashed out of a Caitlyn ult with FULL HEALTH, instead of taking it for me, which got the Caitlyn a kill, and further snowball on me.

In both of these games I begged the support, begged the team to ask the support to stop. My team responded by telling me I was underfarmed and weak. Then they flamed me for doing no damage and reported me. I even asked the other team to report, and what happens, I get chat restricted.

I spoke with someone on league live chat and they told me that you can still type in the box what they did, but what I'm asking for it why does it not have it's own field? We all know a support has never ever been punished by such blatant toxic behavior. Life is already hard enough for an adc without getting trolled by your support.

This, in my opinion, is one of the biggest reasons the community is so fricken toxic. They ban/restrict people who type, but the clear cut trolls get away free. Now I have to deal with a 25 game chat restriction.

TLDR; I typed asking 2 supports in recent games to stop taking farm, and I got chat restricted while they got away. Why do they go unpunished?

62 Comments

rujitra2/21/2019, 9:46:13 PM14 votes

Because the ADC does not own the farm. Nobody owns neutral or lane monsters.

Baron Barian2/21/2019, 10:38:35 PM3 votes

Oh look, your team won that game even though you went 9/17/8 a the ADC.

Actually, looking at your last few games, you may want to really learn Ez better outside of ranked, because your KDA in the games with him is really bad. You seem to know Jinx pretty well, but you clearly can't carry as Ez, so it's hard for me to be mad at the Vel'koz.

The Highest Noon2/21/2019, 10:55:40 PM3 votes

I can answer this in a single sentence:

Because Supports not taking farm isn't part of the game, it's just "best practice".

Elite4Runner2/21/2019, 10:15:25 PM2 votes

It's hard to say without seeing the specific way this all played out, .. I could probably look up your game and literally watch it, but I wouldn't get to see any of the chat log .... and ... I don't really want to. ..

The first thing that actually comes to my mind is, ... when the enemy laners are killed or forced out of lane, it is actually intelligent to hard shove the minion wave into the enemy's tower, which causes them to lose gold and exp. This is often done in coordination with the ADC and the support, possibly even the jungler. For the most part, the ADC still gets most of the gold, .. Sometimes a jungler will go ahead and tax depending on the situation.

From personal experience, ... I have definitely had situations where ... to be honest, .. I didn't trust the ADC.

Watching them miss cs constantly and making poor choices for when to push and when to stall, .. There will come a time where I will abandon the idea of letting the carry farm and try to gain some strength so that we only have 1 underfarmed player and not 2.

As someone else said, the carry does not own the farm, but they are more often item / gold dependent than the support.

Supports are typically balanced in a way that they remain relevant without gold, but they are still more valuable with gold.

And again, as someone else suggested, .. your attitude can 100% bite you. I'm not saying that you in fact did have a bad attitude, but people do have less sympathy for people who are rude. The opposite is also completely likely. Some supports just take farm because they believe they are more capable of carrying. In this case, .. despite being contrary to the typical strategy, it is not "against the rules"

Similar to the Support Singed case you were referring to ... which I believe was actually a few years ago, .. someone isn't really "wrong" for using a different strategy than their teammates are used to, .. In that situation, Riot temporarily banned that player but reverted the decision after further review. They were also very clear with that the player should be sure to explain their strategy and be open to objection and compromise.

Imperial Pandaa2/21/2019, 10:29:59 PM2 votes

Recently? That was 2 years ago. It is also different as the Singed was doing more double jungle than support.

I doubt "please quit taking farm if I'm in lane too" was the only thing you typed.

Boltonator2/21/2019, 9:50:50 PM2 votes

I try not to take my adc’s farm, I have auto-attack turned off for that very reason when I’m playing support.

As Rujitra said though, it is sort of an unwritten rule that the adc gets the bot lane cs, not officially recognized as a Leage rule. Most of the time your support will yield. Reporting them for not yielding will accomplish nothing however.

Tele II2/23/2019, 2:40:51 AM2 votes

My friend keeps wanting to play sivir support for some reason, while i anivia carry. I tell him everytime, no dude, Im not doing that. Youre gonna be useless. marksmen are balanced around getting cs. You need that income! If you dont cs youre just gonna be useless from mid game on. Its literally pointless.

I feel this relates because if your support is taking your cs, its very detrimental to the goal of the game. What good is an adc with no farm? It should be punishable. But its also tricky, and i think Riot makes sweeping, vague rules to avoid getting bogged down in context and little nuances. Like I've taken cs while the adc is dead (just last hitting, not literally shoving into their tower) and been bitched at before for doing that. Now Riot will have to actually watch the game to see if I'm doing it strategically, or to troll my adc. This is why I think its best to just say its not up to you, if what theyre doing is strategically bad, their punishment is never climbing. They will stay low elo and lose games because theyre trolling. If they make it obvious enough or they are griefing, then yeah, punish em. But if they perform well, while taking some of your farm, theres nothing you can really do.

Inkling Commando2/22/2019, 9:06:30 AM2 votes

you see, the problem is not them stealing your farm. that is not reportable. trying to ask your team and the enemy team to report a player is reportable. falls under harassment. if your support is stealing minions simply leave their ass and go to another lane where you can get minions. and saying clear cut trolls get away scott free is not true. i was in a recent game where i had a Galeo int feed cause i would not leave their lane. i don't know what he said cause i had his ass muted and i was not speaking to him (or anyone for that matter) and at the end of the game he was at 0/20 so i reported him for inting and 15 minutes later i get a notification saying a player i reported was given punishment. so next time something like this is happening do not say anything and simply leave the lane. just cause you called it doesn't mean you are required to go and stay there.

Sukishoo2/22/2019, 1:56:41 PM2 votes

Sorry but farm doesn't belong to anyone. If it did, only that specific player would be able to attack it.

You can ask them, sure, but do it in a considerate way, that would be how not to gain a punishment.

FOR JUSTICE2/21/2019, 10:04:14 PM2 votes

see, riot has already stated that no creeps in the game, whether they be neutral or enemy, belongs to anyone, so "stealing farm" is technically a thing. its obviously more efficient to dump gold onto carries (as most supports exist by living off of meager gold gains + assists) but it isn't against the rules for gold to be gained by anyone.

think of the singed case. that's kind of where riot seems to get obscure with these types of things. in singed's case they decided to rule it as trolling, despite his intent to win, solely because he more or less made the game flat out miserable for 2 or more members. but i say obscure, because they never actually cut and dry define what "trolling" a game actually is, and simply leave it as vague as "anything preventing your team to win". this in itself isn't even a very good answer because its still at the discretion of whoever sees it, example, the recent ezreal support fiasco. intent 100% to win, but banned because no one else on his team wanted an ezreal support, whereas the inting sion literally involves running down a tower, by killing yourself if you have to, thus dumping gold onto your lane opponent. but that one wasn't described as trolling because it was seen as just "relentlessly running down a tower". regardless if any of the aforementioned strats won games (all 3 actually won a pretty decent amount) riot deemed 2 of them as hindering your team. so there really isn't a way we can tell whats actually trolling, hence why it seems as if actual trolls get to roam free.

so yeah what you can see as trolling might actually not be, and vise verse.