Banning another players pick intent is justified

KORGtuners·Jan 3, 2017·4 votes·1,640 views

This is quoted directly from the Summoners Code. > While we all carry a diverse set of individual ambitions and expectations into a game of League of Legends, once we hit the Field we're a part of a team. For better or worse, our fates are intertwined with that of our teammates. Once the game gets into full swing, you have to make a choice between being a positive force for your team, or contributing to your own demise.

>** Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled.** If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

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Jo0oJan 3, 201712 votes

And you're not even going to slightly clarify that logical leap?

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Logical leap? You make me smile.

Be open minded when considering the needs of your team.

If you intend on playing only a specific champion regardless of the situation, how are you being open minded or considering your teams needs?

Also, bans are not there for your teams needs, directly. They are there to limit your opponents options. Which indirectly bolsters your own teams strengths.

Is anything still unclear?

Jo0oJan 3, 20178 votes

Everything is still unclear.

Somebody planning on "playing only a specific champion regardless of the situation" is an incredibly narrow example. Most champions are fairly versatile in terms of what kind of team comps they fit into, and for most players, hovering a champ simply indicates a desire.

Say I queue up and hover Darius top. I'm hovering Darius because a) I'm confident with him, and b) I enjoy playing him and want to do so. We seem to have a normal comp: AP mage midlaner, ADC, etc. Somebody on my own team bans Darius. What exactly am I supposed to be open-minded about? Why do they have the right to tell me how to play my own lane? Assuming they don't know me, what possible reason could they have, outside of trolling (or making a mistake), to ban my pick intent?

You said it yourself: Bans are for limiting the OPPONENTS' options. "Be open minded when considering the needs of your team" in no way translates to "Feel free to utilize your ban privilege to police your own teammate's pick choices based on your personal interpretation of which champions will fit well together".

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

I'm hovering Darius We seem to have a normal comp: AP mage midlaner, ADC, etc. Somebody on my own team bans Darius

Here is your mistake. You don't have a comp yet. You don't have a comp until people start actually locking in champs.

What exactly am I supposed to be open-minded about?

To be open minded means you are capable of altering your "intent".

what possible reason could they have, outside of trolling (or making a mistake), to ban my pick intent?

Off the top of my head: they are unfamiliar playing (synergizing) with your pick, they are afraid the other team will pick it first, you are not open minded to the needs of your team.

"Feel free to utilize your ban privilege to police your own teammate's pick choices based on your personal interpretation of which champions will fit well together".

If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled. If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself.

So who decides which champions fit well together?

Jo0oJan 3, 20178 votes

Between this and your other thread, it's become clear that you aren't interested in making a point. You just take vague wording and argue pointlessly about its meaning, taking a contrarian stance in order to provoke responses. Feel free to continue doing that with other posters here, but I'm out.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Trying to use an off topic discussion against me? Claiming the Summoners Code is vaguely worded? Claiming I take my stances in order to provoke a response?

You have made me smile numerous times, thank you. Good luck in your other arguments.

PlsTouchMeGentlyJan 3, 20175 votes

My God you're pretentious.

HexaDecimelJan 4, 20173 votes

More likely he is actually alone and sad.....

Spicy RiceJan 5, 20171 votes

Doesn't that imply the same thing

HexaDecimelJan 5, 20171 votes

Hmmmmm, possibly, sometimes pretentious people find someone equally pretentious and then they get together and be pretentious.

LimmieJan 3, 20175 votes

You just proved that somebody being adamant in sticking to their pick intent is against the SC, but not how it is justified to ban their pick. Two wrongs does not make a right.

Plus, somebody with a bad pick that's still genuinely trying is a better teammate than somebody who's pissed off at their own team and likely gonna troll and int out of spite.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

but not how it is justified to ban their pick.

You may be right. The idea I am trying to convey is bans are "free game". Why are they "free game"?

No one has a right to their intended champion. Per the Summoners Code, you are required to be flexible in your picks.
During the ban phase, you don't technically have a team yet. You do not have a team until a champion is locked in.

So keeping those points in mind, what is our situation at ban phase?

We can't ban out champions that are detrimental to our team comp. We have no team. Either the other team can take our pick or our own team can change their minds.

All champions are subject to ban. "One trick ponies" are against Summoners Code.

So where is it against any rules to ban whoever you want?

LimmieJan 4, 20173 votes

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So where is it against any rules to ban whoever you want?

It isn't, and I'd be really surprised if there were even a single case for somebody being officially punished for that. Still doesn't make it a good idea to majorly piss off a teammate like that before the game even starts.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

I agree, it is probably not a good idea.

So, any ideas how to resolve the situation?

My only thought is: disable pick intent until after ban phase.

LimmieJan 4, 20174 votes

The whole point of the pick intent is to so that you don't accidentally ban a champ somebody on your team wants.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

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The whole point of the pick intent is to so that you don't accidentally ban a champ somebody on your team wants.

Exactly.

If Riot intended discussions to begin AFTER bans, why is there pregame chat enabled before and during bans?

If Riot intended discussions to begin AFTER bans, why is there an intent pick time?

Despite what KORGtuners wants, Riot intended pregame chat and intent picks to help people coordinate, not to ban your own teammates and hamstring your team.

KORGtuners is just upset that the world doesn't work the way he wants it to and is trying to convince everyone it should work exactly the way he wants it to and only the way he wants it to.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

Then why didn't Riot make it impossible to ban a champion being hovered for pick intent?

I can see improving communication. I can't see Riot wanting blind pick in draft mode.

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20173 votes

Because there can be justified reasons to ban a champion that somebody on your team intends to pick. That doesn't mean all reasons are equally justified. If I ban your pick intent because I find it funny how mad you get, then that is definitely not in the spirit of the summoner's code.

Anyway, the point of pick intent is to show others which champion you intend to play, nothing more. Showing pick intent for Yasuo bears the exact same significance as somebody just saying in chat "I intend play Yasuo". In that sense, hovering a champion has existed forever. All Riot did was add convenience to it and facilitate the discussion that any sensible players will have before just banning somebody's main.

On the other hand, if Riot was to make it entirely imopssible to ban hovered champions, there would not be a discussion, so this would obviously not help with what they wanted to achieve with this feature.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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Because there can be justified reasons to ban a champion that somebody on your team intends to pick. That doesn't mean all reasons are equally justified. If I ban your pick intent because I find it funny how mad you get, then that is definitely not in the spirit of the summoner's code.

And how are you going to know why they banned that champion?

You don't have to explain your bans.
If someone says they banned it just to troll you, then yes, that is against the Summoners Code.

Anyway, the point of pick intent is to show others which champion you intend to play, nothing more.

Exactly, and intend means you may not get that champ. Which means you still need to cooperate with your team, even f you don't get your intended champ. Someone banning your intended pick is not a free pass to "troll them back".

Showing pick intent for Yasuo bears the exact same significance as somebody just saying in chat "I intend play Yasuo". In that sense, hovering a champion has existed forever. All Riot did was add convenience to it and facilitate the discussion that any sensible players will have before just banning somebody's main.

I can't remember a single case where people trolled because "you banned my champ" before pick intent was added. Furthermore, pick intent goes beyond ban phase. It adds communication throughout the entire champion select. I'm tired of people claiming it is ONLY there for ban phase,

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20175 votes

Someone banning your intended pick is not a free pass to "troll them back".

I never said that, and I don't see anybody saying that (in this thread... I do admit I've seen some of these unreasonable idiots in other threads). Either way, this is what I believe should have been the title of this thread. The one you chose sounds like a generalization in the opposite direction that is equally detrimental to discussion. Banning another players pick intent is not always justified. Whether they state their intention is irrelevant to whether or not their action was justified.

I can't remember a single case where people trolled because "you banned my champ" before pick intent was added

Oh, it happened. It was just massively overshadowed by people trolling because they didn't get the role they wanted.

I'm tired of people claiming it is ONLY there for ban phase,

Again: I never said that, and I don't see anybody claiming that. What is definitely only there for ban phase is the grace period during which people show their pick intent and where it is impossible to ban anybody. That part was definitely added to avoid the situation where somebody accidentally bans a champion somebody else wanted to play because they were too impatient. This is something that happened before pick intent and it's something that still happens very frequently on featured map modes.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

{quoted} Banning another players pick intent is not always justified. Whether they state their intention is irrelevant to whether or not their action was justified.

Your burden is to prove it was not "justified". Which you can't. You need someone to admit it was not justified.

I don't have to explain my bans. Therefore, you will have a hell of a time getting me to admit my own ban was not justified.

What is definitely only there for ban phase is the grace period during which people show their pick intent and where it is impossible to ban anybody. That part was definitely added to avoid the situation where somebody accidentally bans a champion somebody else wanted to play because they were too impatient.

Even if this is true, I can easily justify banning any champion I want. I don't have to justify it though. I can ban a champion without saying a single word, and I am not breaking any rules. Hell, I could even claim accidental still. "Sorry, I was getting a cup of water and panic banned."

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20173 votes

"In these specific cases it is impossible to prove whether or not banning a teammate's pick intent was justified" is quite a different statement from "banning another playsers pick intent is justified", especially since the latter is a general statement that implies that this applies to all cases.

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20173 votes

If it is impossible to prove unjustified, then it is always justified by default.

It's not ALWAYS impossible to prove. So even applying that weird logic that somehow burden of proof has an effect on the reality of things, that means that in SOME cases it is not actually justified.

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20172 votes

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If it is not always impossible, then give me an example.

Not necessary, you gave one yourself already:

{quoted} 2. If someone says they banned it just to troll you, then yes, that is against the Summoners Code.

Edit: And to be clear, that has happened before. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

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You didnt prove it. They proved it.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Please continue to dazzle me with your logic.

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20172 votes

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You didnt prove it. They proved it.

Yes. And thus it is not impossible to prove. What's your point? Besides, apart from the provability, you yourself stated that in these cases it'd be against the summoner's code, aka not justified.

Which proves the point I was originally making: Not all cases are justified.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

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Perhaps it would have been better to title, "all cases of banning an intended pick CAN be justified".

You mean the title should be "Whenever I ban intended picks, it is justified"

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20172 votes

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It is impossible for YOU to prove someone ELSES ban was not justified.

Your point is perfectly valid. So is mine though.

Perhaps it would have been better to title, "all cases of banning an intended pick CAN be justified".

We can agree on that. Seems that our opinions aren't fundamentally different.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20174 votes

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Your burden is to prove it was not "justified". Which you can't. You need someone to admit it was not justified.

I don't have to explain my bans. Therefore, you will have a hell of a time getting me to admit my own ban was not justified.

Sum and substance of all of KORG's arguments

"Because I must admit admit I am wrong, I can therefore conclude that I am objectively not wrong whenever I do not admit I was wrong.... despite the fact that my own feelings are subjective and therefore my lack of admission of wrongdoing is subjective, but I will continue to assert that I am objectively not wrong."

HexaDecimelJan 4, 20172 votes

I think the main issue here is that when reading the Summoners Code players should apply the guidelines to themselves. OP sees that the code says be flexible and starts going around saying that he has the right to bane other players pick intent. When really he should be considering the fact that he should be willing to be flexible.

Cosmo MemoriaJan 3, 20179 votes

op sounds retarded.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20175 votes

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My only thought is: disable pick intent until after ban phase.

This is also a terrible suggestion.

The point of enabling pick intent is to begin the discussion about team composition early on and strategically pick your bans around your team comp so that you have the highest chance of winning.

If you open the discussion before when you have more time, people aren't last second picking, which tends to make people pick their go to's rather than build a functional team comp.

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Also, bans are not there for your teams needs, directly. They are there to limit your opponents options. Which indirectly bolsters your own teams strengths.

You clearly agree that bans are to help your team, not to limit your own team.

You keep quoting the Summoner's Code like it's the Bible or something but what you are asking is everyone else to let you do what you want without being reported.

This is the same exact mentality you had in the other thread about how people shouldn't report you.

Clearly you have been getting warnings or temp bans or chat restrictions or something that is prompting you to try and defend your actions by trying to twist the summoner's code to support you, however, your interpretations are completely self centered and are used in attempts to justify your own actions rather than how the Summoner's Code was intended, as a guideline for the community on how to treat each other, not "Riot's Guide On How Make League of Legends Fun for KORGtuners And Nobody Else"

Truly PridefulJan 4, 20174 votes

Why ban their pick intent rather than just asking them if they can play something else? It's easier to just communicate and not waste a ban starting a fight in champion select with your teammate.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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Why ban their pick intent rather than just asking them if they can play something else? It's easier to just communicate and not waste a ban starting a fight in champion select with your teammate.

Asking them to change their intent might not work. (Can we be honest? 99% of the time it does not work)

Banning their intent is guaranteed to work.

The entire problem is, I am allowed to ban whichever champion I want. Banning a champion should not result in a fight. Sure, I can see where banning your intended champ can make you upset. You have to get over it. Fast.

**You never have the right to "troll". **

I will always have the right to ban whom I please.

Truly PridefulJan 4, 20174 votes

It works ~80% of the time for me. At the very least they'll respond and give reasoning for the pick which is good enough for me. At least they communicated. If you ban my intent without so much as a word and it's not a contested pick, you are already telling me you have poor communication skills and are a potentially bad teammate. There is no reason to ban intent without saying anything, they give you plenty of time.

It takes all of 2 seconds to say, "Hey jg, can you play something other than Diana?" If they say no, maybe YOU could be open minded and shape your pick to go with their pick rather than creating a poor team environment from the start. The behavior you're suggesting is perfectly fine is why I do not show intent, ever. I know what champion I want to play, but there is only a 1/135(?) chance you might ban it. I'll play someone else if I see my pick won't fit, but I'm usually going with my most comfortable pick if it works at all.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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There is no reason to ban intent without saying anything, they give you plenty of time.

I don't speak the same language as you. I was distracted and panic banned at the last second. I'm a very slow typer (hunt and peck) and by the time I expressed my ideas I would have timed out.

It takes all of 2 seconds to say, "Hey jg, can you play something other than Diana?" If they say no, maybe YOU could be open minded and shape your pick to go with their pick rather than creating a poor team environment from the start.

Anyone that goes into champ select with the intent of playing a specific champion, no matter the circumstances, has already broken the Summoners Code. AKA poor team environment since BEFORE the start.

Truly PridefulJan 4, 20174 votes

You know you don't speak the same language as me without trying?

This is completely different from the point of your thread. Your entire thread point is that it is apparently your right to ban anyone's intent without communicating with them at all. Accidental bans are am entirely different subject.

Slow typer? Please, I can hunt and peck that sentence with one finger and you'll have plenty of time to answer the question.

None of these are good reasons for choosing to ban someone's intent out of the 135 champions, you just want them to play something else and aren't willing to ask. I also have the right to play whatever I want, so you can't get mad if I choose Eve bot. You should be open minded. Of course I would never do this because I like to play good games, but it would poor of me to not communicate a pick like that with my team through intent.

Several people I see hovering tent do it to tell the team 'Hey I'm great with this particular champion and would love to pick it.' Intent is a great system because it allows for communication but what you are doing undermines the idea and nobody will use it. If that happens we're just all back to blindly picking on ours turns without being able to ask why someone wants to pick a champion or building the comp on advance.

You go ahead and keep doing what you do, people are just going to hate playing with you. It could all be avoided by just taking the time to ask a simple question or being willing to work with them.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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You know you don't speak the same language as me without trying?

I can reasonably assume sometimes. Sure, you can strike that point. Uneffective communication is still communication.

This is completely different from the point of your thread. Your entire thread point is that it is apparently your right to ban anyone's intent without communicating with them at all. Accidental bans are am entirely different subject.

When you accidentally ban someones intent, you have banned without communicating. That is my point. Your point is, AFTER accidentally banning, you should communicate it was an accident. Semantics it seems.

Slow typer? Please, I can hunt and peck that sentence with one finger and you'll have plenty of time to answer the question.

Good for you. You are not me. If you ever had the opportunity to watch my father type you would understand. It takes him several seconds to find the letter "y". He doesn't even type the word "yes".

None of these are good reasons for choosing to ban someone's intent out of the 135 champions, you just want them to play something else and aren't willing to ask. I also have the right to play whatever I want,

I never said they were good reasons. Simply reasons.

What if I did ask and they refused? Are you saying that I now have no rights to ban that champion?

You do have the right to play whatever champion you want. However, you are not following the Summoners Code. The Summoners Code is a guideline for "exemplary" players.

If that happens we're just all back to blindly picking on ours turns without being able to ask why someone wants to pick a champion or building the comp on advance.

You can't build a comp in advance. You can intend to build a comp in advance.
You can still show intent after ban phase.

You go ahead and keep doing what you do, people are just going to hate playing with you. It could all be avoided by just taking the time to ask a simple question or being willing to work with them.

It could all be avoided by not showing intent until after ban phase or being willing to work with your team. It is a 2 way street. The problem is, you can't prove bans are unjustified. So you have to deal with people banning your intended champion.

Truly PridefulJan 4, 20174 votes

I don't see how you think someone having pick intent means the don't have an open mind. A lot of people will change their champion from their intent to fit a team composition, their intent was just what they were oringinally showing you in hopes to build something with it. Like I said, a lot of people use the intent to let the 4 strangers know a champion they play particularly well. If you don't like their intent then just attempt to ask them about it.

You can build a composition in advance or at least the schematics for one. Having intent available from the start of champion select allows for a lot of time to communicate with your team to set up before your picks so you aren't scrambling later. It's a good system when used and you at least have an idea of what everyone is looking at picking for the game.

All I am asking you is to ask these intents you don't like if they are willing to switch. You seem to type well so you'd have no issues doing it quickly. It's better than creating a hostile team environment for no reason. If they say no, you need to really decide if it's worth the ban and making your team mad before the game even starts. Generally it ends up being more effective to keep them on their comfort pick rather than banning it and hoping they have something just as good.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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I don't see how you think someone having pick intent means the don't have an open mind.

That's not what I am saying. It is the people that refuse (under any circumstances) to change their intent that do not have an open mind.

A lot of people will change their champion from their intent to fit a team composition, their intent was just what they were oringinally showing you in hopes to build something with it.

That is open minded. However, if I ban that intended pick, I am forcing you to show your open mindedness. If they throw a fit ,"WTF you banned my champ troll", then they are closed minded. If they shrug it off and just pick another champ, they are open minded.

You can build a composition in advance or at least the schematics for one.

You can intend to build a composition in advance, but you can not actually build it. You alternate pick and bans. The enemy team may disrupt your planned composition. Even your own team is well within their rights to change their mind.

Having intent available from the start of champion select allows for a lot of time to communicate with your team to set up before your picks so you aren't scrambling later. It's a good system when used and you at least have an idea of what everyone is looking at picking for the game.

I agree. The problem is not really with the system. It is with the mindset of the players. Some players view "pick intent" and "locking in" as the same thing.

All I am asking you is to ask these intents you don't like if they are willing to switch.

I do. Nor am I suggesting that you should not. I am arguing it is well within your rights to ban any champion, even if someone intends to play them.

It's better than creating a hostile team environment for no reason. If they say no, you nees to really decide if it's worth the ban and making your team mad before the game even starts. Generally it ends up being more effective to keep them on their comfort pick rather than banning it and hoping they have something just as good.

That is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

you nees to really decide if it's worth the ban and making your team mad before the game even starts

Scary thought, what if the ban is actually worth it? The team composition is so bad that it is logiically worth the risk of making someone mad.

Truly PridefulJan 4, 20173 votes

If you are in fact asking each time you actively choose to ban an intent then I suppose it's all I can really ask of you. I just always have to advocate communication pregame if at all possible because it creates a better chat ingame and your team morale is much better to start.

When they have that really crappy pick that doesn't fit do you ask and they just refuse to listen to reason? In that case I may be able to see where you are coming from, though I would not personally make the same choice to ban the pick. I like to run with the comfort pick thought and that someone playing their main will shine through.

I suppose we can agree to disagree on parts, my only point in the whole debate was whether there was an attempt at communication and if there is then I suppose you are entitled to your choice. I appreciate the civil debate, most people on here just devolve into personal attacks the second they disagree with you. Good luck in your games.

shark musicJan 3, 20173 votes

The only time it's reasonable to ban someone's pick is when their pick is dangerous/unrealistic. Like the person with fifth pick wants to play Blitz or Lux. In that situation the chances of them getting snaked is so high compared to the odds of that champion lasting until the final pick, you have some kind of argument for an over rule ban. A weak argument, but still...

Personally, I still wouldn't ban someone's intent, because 1) it's rude, regardless of the reasoning behind it, and 2) there are no champions who scare me, but I can see where a less experienced player might be so terrified of a particular champion that they get froggy and make that jump.

Plus, you don't know other players' rosters. Maybe their intent is the only champion they own from that category. Maybe they just bought that champ, or maybe they just spent $25 on a new skin. Maybe they just spent two hours studying youtube videos of that champ, or memorizing their build strats. You don't know why people pick a champion, or which champions they own, so banning someone else's selection is an act of ignorance and arrogance, which means you're already a hypocrite on the "Being a good team player begins at champ select." point.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

The only time it's reasonable to ban someone's pick is when their pick is dangerous/unrealistic.

Please use the phrase "pick intent". It is very important. As you can not ban someones pick, you can ban someones intented pick.

Right there you showed how that person is not "Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team."

If a player is unwilling to play anything other than one specific champion, they are not open minded. They entered champion select close minded. This occured before any bans were dealt. That person has broken the Summoners Code before even entering the game lobby.

PROJECT FizzJan 4, 20172 votes

You seem to be dodging the part where he said you don't know their champ roster, or skill at various champions. Like he said, that may be the only champ they know how to play in the role they got. As many have said, autofill can suck. It's not them going against the team comp, it could just be them being realistic. I'd rather have people playing champs they feel comfortable with, rather then forcing them to first time a champion.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled. If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

That should cover everything. Basically, there is no excuse for "one trick ponies" according to the Summoners Code. If someone has gotten all their champions for a specific role banned, I would expect them to ask to trade roles. If no one is willing to trade roles, then by all means they are going to have to play a "first time" champion. Or, they could dodge, but I feel that is going over the top.

PROJECT FizzJan 4, 20174 votes

Or, strange thought here, don't be an ass?

Pick intent exists for a reason. It helps teams decide what kind of comp they can do, or they can simply state "this is the champ I want to play."

And you could even say you (or the person banning) is breaking the summoner's code. You can't keep an open mind and tell your teammates what they can and cannot play.

Bottom line- I'd rather have someone play one of their better champs then saying: "well, that champ doesn't fit this comp perfectly, so sucks to be you."

YerroFeverJan 4, 20173 votes

Just keep trolling, keep getting reports and be constantly chat banned, be put in lower priority queues, I'm done trying to explain why you shouldn't be an asshat to the community and you just don't care.

The only thing that emanates from your posts is, "My behavior is acceptable and is not toxic! Stop telling me otherwise! Believe me! I'm right! Really I am! I swear it!"

Risk of FateJan 3, 20172 votes

If you ban a champion that someone else picked without any given sound reasoning, then you're a jerk. There have been times I've banned my own teammates picks, but I didn't go "hurr, let's grab so they don't have." I would ask if they can guarantee them getting it through first/second pick if they're 4/5th pick If they can't, I have to ban because chances are they will grab it and beat us.

In the same regard, I've had my picks taken from me because they think either I'm bad with them or won't work out. Yes I get salty that you banned it, but I try to relax and pick something else unless what they banned and my team banned absolutely screwed us over like in the case where a lot of junglers were banned and my 2 comforts were taken out.

This is why you chat with your team. If nobody talks, you get nothing done.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

If you ban a champion that someone else picked without any given sound reasoning, then you're a jerk.

Impossible. It is called pick "intent" for a reason.

like in the case where a lot of junglers were banned and my 2 comforts were taken out.

Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

Risk of FateJan 3, 20174 votes

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Impossible. It is called pick "intent" for a reason.

That's what I meants

Remember, that by taking on a role you don't normally play, you'll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.

"Hey guys, my Vi and Sion are banned, but I'm sure we can win if I first time Kindred!"

Can get away with it in blind pick, but pretty sure my team is going to flame me. I'm all for trying new Champions, but with the removal of Team Builder, there's really no easy way to learn a new Champion when you're up against people with 500+ games who've played against your pick. Have you any idea how frustrated I was when I picked up Evelynn and Kayle for jungle while the enemy team pretty much took all of my jungle? Granted I learned to ward my jungle and if I can tell an invade, BUT DAMMIT I had to deal with that, three losing lanes, and my own team flaming me.