Why does Riot not punish trolling noob players?

King Kettner·6/20/2018, 9:10:35 AM·2 votes·2,591 views

So now I have recieved a short ban from the game because of all those players who ruin the game for the rest of us who love the community.

Why does Riot keep punishing the rest of us on behalft of those immature kids? It seems like they dont even look pesonally at our reports of those kids.

I'm soo freaking tired of them punishing ME! Just because I want to play a decent game where people dont fuuuck everything up for me so that I actually have a decent chance of climbing out of Bronze.

TY for doing NOTHING RIOT!

And seems like you also run from any confrontation by making it impossible for me to contact your support by saying that I need to be logged in. Take some responsibility guys!

40 Comments

Jamaree6/20/2018, 9:11:34 AM9 votes

Because doing poorly isn't reportable or punishable?

VindicatorOFThey6/20/2018, 9:13:39 AM6 votes

doing poorly isn't reportable :l

P4ppino6/20/2018, 10:50:18 AM4 votes

I'm pretty sure bronze players don't intentionally lose games, they are simply this bad. Being bad is not punishable.

deathgod56/20/2018, 10:08:03 AM4 votes

Disclaimer, I am in no way saying you were flaming or in the wrong, I am just giving you the information I personally have

Ok, I am trying to write this out in a longer post(used to write a series on this board explaining some of the systems riot games used to have, but I never got enough data for the next post).

There are 3 systems that currently run in league to detect trolls.

  • System 1: Afk detection system;
  • System 2: Voice chat system;
  • System 3: Troll/intbuster.

Every system works together to try and detect trolls.

The afk system is pretty reliable, it is slowly starting to detect afk strats like heimerdinger placing a turret near gromp to stay in combat. However this game only gives you longer queue times when caught.

The chat system seems to be around a 50 percent chance to actually be effective when trolling is subtle. This chance increases up to 100 percent if you start cursing and using obvious flame sentences. This system is still pretty reliable.

##Then there is the int feeding system. From everything I have seen this system is by far the least reliable. If a person is intentionally feeding in a very obvious way the player still seems to get away from time to time. Most genuine trolls that know how to be subtle about it work around this system anyway. For example : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ssoZw75K-riot-tantram-clear-case-of-trolling-is-not-getting-banned-by-riot-support-i-guess-its-allowed .

Conspiracy sidenote I feel like it used to be slightly better too, but the system was considered unreliable after the nunu support player that played nunu with smite to invade the jungle got a ban despite trying to win the game. Source : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

Even the Riot response was really badly received and at the same time, the Korean server had a Tahm Anivia combo that inted over 500 games to keep a 100 percent win rate on Yi and Zilean(they kept their mmr shit to win on those champs) in silver that didn't get banned. (note, these people were pretty high profile back then)

https://youtu.be/BQ5LXCMwZP0

So everybody got to complaining that this nunu got banned but the other people didn't while they were deliberately trolling. This is especially weird because riot Korea isn't run by riot games(long story) and uses other systems to detect trolls and feeders. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ErlwrFsR-cowseps-response-and-a-great-chance-to-talk-about-korean-server-toxicity

I often feel like they patched the int feeding system after this to be less sensitive to prevent another high profile case like the nunu support from happening again.

But to make it extremely simple, Riot games doesn't think that flaming should happen in their games so they build a system to detect it that works pretty good. They also made a system that detected inting/trolling that doesn't seem to do a good job. In practice, it makes it so that flaming get punished way better and often then inting.

In metaphor form, riot thinks like this: you have the murder investigation squad and the traffic police. If a murderer is currently on the loose and the police haven't caught him yet(for whatever reason) the traffic police can still pass out fines for speeding (because it is easier to prove and measure).

Hope this somewhat explains it.

Kei1436/20/2018, 11:09:42 AM4 votes

Noob players are not trolls.

Dnyarri6/20/2018, 9:46:40 PM4 votes

I'm gonna be quite blunt about this: You've played 400 or so games and you're still in Bronze 5, and the only reason for that is your own performance. With that amount of games there's absolutely no way that bad luck, losing streaks, feeding teammates, afks or whatever are responsible for your situation.

Also, I didn't find a single inter on your entire match history.

So to give you some advice for the future: Don't chat with your teammates at all - one more game with negative behavior (and "noob" "gg haha open mid" and whatever count here) and your account is gone forever. And if you want to climb, stop playing 50 different champions, focus on one or two and learn how to play them properly and use the sources of information that are available to you (the main-subreddits probably are a good place to start).

Good luck.

HalcyonDweller6/20/2018, 9:47:42 PM4 votes

"trolling || noob"

♪♫♬One of these things is not like the other ♪♫♬

afmghost6/20/2018, 1:44:32 PM3 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Kettner,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QKhrcv0M,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-20T09:10:35.536+0000)

So now I have recieved a short ban from the game because of all those players who ruin the game for the rest of us who love the community.

Why does Riot keep punishing the rest of us on behalft of those immature kids? It seems like they dont even look pesonally at our reports of those kids.

I'm soo freaking tired of them punishing ME! Just because I want to play a decent game where people dont fuuuck everything up for me so that I actually have a decent chance of climbing out of Bronze.

TY for doing NOTHING RIOT!

And seems like you also run from any confrontation by making it impossible for me to contact your support by saying that I need to be logged in. Take some responsibility guys!

Playing poorly isn't reportable. Inting a game or being a toxic tool is.

Gabresol6/20/2018, 10:48:08 AM3 votes

Of corse there are people who intentionally feed. Of course there player who seal lanes, who do stuff like following around their own jungler to annoy them. They do exist. But a score of 0/6/2 can be either intentional feeding OR them beating the shit our of thei lane opponent, but getting camped by a jungler who does not even touch their own botside jungle and is basicly turning it into a 2v1 lane.

I had a game last season where Iwent 4/14, because the enemy jungler was not leaving the topside bush. He immidiatly cleared my wards and when I think he was not there for a moment and got a little out of my safety zone, he was there. In the end the fed Rive never left toplane, our jungler took every drake even sneaked the herald from their jungler who was like 1k units away because he was STILL camping me. Yeah... We won. Our jungler was 3 levels above the enemy, since their jungler was basicly haring xp with their top.

Solicitude6/20/2018, 11:00:34 AM3 votes
  1. They dont punish people for being bad players or having bad games, and they shouldnt. Otherwise they would have to ban Bronze, Silver and low Gold players by default, which are the vast majority of the community, and then they would have to ban people who had bad games and fed out of their minds, literally everyone.
  2. They dont ban people "on behalft of those immature kids", you got suspended because you were toxic, like you admitted. Flaming a toxic player doesnt make you right, as 2 times wrong doesnt make right. And stopping yourself for being toxic is a big part of maturity. Accepting that this is a game and its not worth being toxic over anything that happens here is also part of maturity.
  3. You are in bronze. People in there are straight bad players. You are one of them. Just accept it. Its true that your team can hold you down, but thats temporary and occasional. If you deserved to climb, you would. You may do it fast or slow, but, in the end, if you deserve it, you climb.

On that account let me tell you a part of my climbing story. This year was the first time i actually started playing ranked, aside from a couple games here and there in previous years. I got placed in silver 4. I failed my promotion to gold 2 times, because either i was playing like im blind and not having hands or because my team fed out of their minds. In the end i made it gold. I failed again my promotion from gold 3 to gold 2 2 times. Then i failed my promotion to platinum 2 times. Since then ive been "swapping" between plat 4 and 3, which is most probably where i currently belong. If you deserve to climb you will eventually do it.

But, you know, you are Bronze V 6LP with a little less than 400 games and 44% win rate. Its apparent that its not your teams that hold you down. You are a bad player. Instead of finding what your team did wrong, learn what you did wrong. Improve your skills, your game knowledge and decision making. Then you can climb. Thats the way to do it. Blaming other players wont get you anywhere.

4 Step Cadence6/20/2018, 10:10:53 AM2 votes

Because you were a 30/0 god with 1000 CS when you first started playing, let alone when you first started playing ranked. People have bad games, and even if they're doing bad on purpose, that doesn't make your behavior okay. Someone "inting" doesn't give you a free pass to flame them. You being toxic is ruining the game just as much as they (supposedly) are. You are responsible for your own behavior.

Astorine6/20/2018, 10:05:30 AM1 votes

While what you say is true, the lack of logical fixes along with the generally unintelligent outburst put your point behind. (not that anyone on these boards would ever disagree with rito anyways tbh). And you seem to not contrast anything between "noobs" and intentional feeders.

Summonah123696/20/2018, 10:05:48 AM1 votes

Ik it may be frustrating and hard to resist flaming them. But really just try to ignore them and report them at the end to avoid getting any punishment for flaming. What would happen otherwise? Penalties. For probably the both of you.

Neosphoros11/24/2018, 11:35:25 PM1 votes

Becouse RIOT would have to punish himself... everything is becouse player selecting system is broken (broken in the reason that system can not select players with many different lvl of skills on different positions) and if you will try to look at your teammates experience many times you will be able to see taht they have much less exp than enemys... so if it is broken it can not build team (mostly) properly... fallowing - punishing players for trolling it would be like panishing - himself.

Hyquiem6/20/2018, 10:50:22 AM1 votes

Dude, this meta is a lesson. It tells you “YOU CNT SIT AROUND ANYMORE! IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THEN GET YOUR (ENTER CHAMPION NAME) BUTT UP!” If you don’t understand the lesson of the meta then you will go on a loose streak.