The Most UNJUST Chat Restriction - Riot Skeletor
So this is the breakdown.
After being honor 5 in the beginning of season 8, after an actual fair punishment of me being toxic for a couple games, i lost that honor progress. It was time to #reform myself. Flash forward to present day, I'm working my way back up the honor system. When all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I'm chat restricted. I immediately read through the chat logs. NONE OF THIS WAS PUNISHABLE.
This punishment is extremely important when it comes to the future of League of Legends and important point not only I am bringing up, but many others throughout the community and why it sometimes feels like US v.s. RIOT.
Now I'm going to provide the chat logs in the two games, but hold your horses buddy, it would help to have some context on what happened during these two games.
DISCLAIMER- CLEANER AND SPACED VERSIONS OF THE CHAT LOGS ARE LINKED IN THIS POST -
GAME 1- CHAMP SELECT FIASCO
Now before you read this chat log, here's what went down. Im a jungle main, hardstuck gold and on the summoner name "ebony girl" which also happens to be comedy gold. I got filled into the bot lane role and asked for jungle. After being told our jungler couldn't adc, I told him it was fine, picked Jhin and went to go take a leak. When I returned, we had 2 adcs in the game, no jungler, and no one dodged. Despite this, I still tried to win the game and say things like "GJ" to my teammates, while occasionally trying to explain myself on why I SHOULDN'T be falsely reported. This obviously did not go as planned, as I was falsely reported anyway because I'm being punished now.
(GAME 1 CHAT LOGS) (parenthesis are editor notes) [0:13] Jhin: i went to take a piss [0:16] Jhin: what the fuck [0:30] Jhin: i was told you couldnt ad [0:36] Jhin: i went to take a leak [0:59] Jhin: no what? you all couldve dodged [1:08] Jhin: just as much your fault [1:26] Jhin: well it is gold (trying to figure out how we can possibly try now) [1:33] Jhin: ill duo top [1:38] Jhin: hope they are bad [1:44] Jhin: and itll be good (i get told to leave top by whole team spam pinging) [2:05] Jhin: no option bro (we get two kills on the enemy top laner) [3:22] Jhin: see [3:23] Jhin: gold (teammate tells me to stop talking and how much of an awful player i am) [12:17] Jhin: wow (mid gets a kill) [14:35] Jhin: GJ [14:59] Jhin: jeez (teammate saying to report me and flaming me constantly) [15:19] Jhin: so just a quick question [15:29] Jhin: you noticed i messed up in champ select [15:33] Jhin: and you didnt dodge? [15:52] Jhin: because i was under the impression i wasnt getting it [16:04] Jhin: now can u answer my question [16:34] Jhin: its 2 lp (akali tower dives me) [19:55] [All] Jhin: that champ [19:58] [All] Jhin: is so nuts [20:45] Jhin: wow (still getting abused and flamed) [21:08] Jhin: to be fair i did nothing reportable [21:12] Jhin: and you all couldve dodge [21:27] Jhin: im not [21:50] Jhin: making an honest mistake is not trolling [22:05] [All] Jhin: no you see i made a mistake in champ select [22:18] [All] Jhin: and when i went to pee no one dodged and i didn realize [23:56] [All] Jhin: yet doing nothing reportable, my team wants to mass report me [24:22] [All] Jhin: and io was told the jungle couldnt adc [24:42] [All] Jhin: and i didnt realize because i was afk [24:53] [All] Jhin: my fault, but not reportable AND they couldve dodged [25:11] [All] Jhin: never blamed [25:44] [All] Jhin: although it seems really silly not to lose 2 lp
GAME 2- AFK TOPLANER
I was jungling (obviously) and I had ganked my poppy and gotten her an early lead.But because I pushed lane after we got a kill against a player who had their TP down, she decided to flame me. Then she started intentionally griefing the game like tping to a ward in lane or flashing randomly and then eventually ragequit. Because of this, AFTER SHE LEFT, I called her a naughty word. "Idiot." Despite her trolling and ruining one of my ranked games. I continued to try and help my teammates to win the game. Heres what happened.
(GAME 2 CHAT LOGS) (parenthesis are editor notes) (starting out the game with a kill and trying to make a funny in all chat) [2:41] [All] Twitch: i own you [2:43] [All] Twitch: and this map [2:53] [All] Twitch: understand [3:45] [All] Twitch: got it (i push the lane and my poppy wastes her tp and flash) [4:56] Twitch: poppy why did you tp [5:01] Twitch: i had him [5:43] Twitch: gold player [6:20] Twitch: warded (poppy says if i continue doing something (which i dont know what that something is) then she'll afk) [7:48] Twitch: byew [7:55] Twitch: dont take free lp idc (poppy ragequits) [8:16] Twitch: troll [8:21] Twitch: we win anyways idc [9:43] Twitch: bot no more pushing up [10:10] [All] Twitch: uh [10:10] [All] Twitch: oik [10:51] Twitch: gj [11:06] Twitch: vel come top [11:25] Twitch: nasus needs to be controls [11:28] Twitch: controleld [11:42] Twitch: yes [12:24] Twitch: how did she get there so fast [12:43] Twitch: yes we can (teammate says how we lost this game and asks why im trying) [12:45] Twitch: ur muted [13:28] Twitch: im done [13:32] [All] Twitch: report poppy [14:03] Twitch: vel im just gonne try and get you every kill possible [15:57] [All] Twitch: what a champ (all chat asks why poppy afked) [16:07] [All] Twitch: rage [16:11] [All] Twitch: what an idiot (trundle tells me hes better than me) [17:06] [All] Twitch: its over dude [17:09] [All] Twitch: its a 4v5 [17:15] [All] Twitch: i was winning our early game [17:23] [All] Twitch: you take a loss [17:37] [All] Twitch: i caused 3 more [17:40] [All] Twitch: idiot [17:42] [All] Twitch: gold player (i do a little bit of a gag and say that im my IRL friend iiFuze, who was a peak diamond 5 player) [18:24] [All] Twitch: iiFuze [18:28] [All] Twitch: diamond player
Now at this point you may be asking yourself two things: "why the hell did i read that and why the hell do i care?"
Well that's very fair. But I'm telling you, players like this poppy, and players that were ACTUALLY flaming me in my first game were reported and not punished. WHICH MEANS YOU SHOULD BE VERY WORRIED. Players like me who are on average a very positive and logically approaching player are being punished for "small negativity" (actual riot employees words) rather than player actually griefing and destroying ranked games. Which is a problem I don't stand alone on.
Now here is where things get interesting. You may think to yourself, "ebony girl, this may have been an honest mistake, and maybe you actually DON'T deserve to have your honor progress lost again and have another strike on your account." Well I thought of that too. So I went to talk in a live chat with the Riot Employee "Skeletor," to see if this whole thing was just a misunderstanding.
(now this is a long chat, so I would get comfortable or skip to my conclusion if you aren't interested to hear a rioters opinion on this punishment)
Chat started on 13 Aug 2018, 03:12 AM (GMT+0)
(03:12:28) *** ebony girl joined the chat *** (03:12:29) ebony girl: I was not hateful, toxic, or doing any reportable offense in both chat logs it shows examples of for me to get chat restricted. In fact, in one of these games, someone had rage quit and was not punished and im being chat restricted for something I DIDNT DO WRONG. (03:14:00) Player Support Bot: Hey! We’re getting a ton of new chats right now. It may take upwards of 30 minutes to get to your chat, but if you sit tight we’ll help you out as soon as we can. If you are writing in about a Permanent Suspension, please submit a ticket instead since we are unable to discuss these penalties in Chat. (03:14:24) ebony girl: Okay Im not. Ill wait. (03:19:52) *** Skeletor joined the chat *** (03:20:24) Skeletor: heya (03:20:25) Skeletor: its me (03:20:29) ebony girl: Hey (03:20:29) Skeletor: a spooki boi (03:20:43) ebony girl: quirky (03:20:48) ebony girl: whats up man (03:20:51) Skeletor: chillen (03:20:53) Skeletor: you? (03:21:06) ebony girl: well a little upset and confused (03:21:10) ebony girl: which is why im here (03:21:28) ebony girl: just tryna play some video games (03:22:01) ebony girl: you can read my first message right? the description of my ticket? (03:22:20) Skeletor: is ee that (03:22:26) Skeletor: leme see what brought ya here (03:23:24) ebony girl: right (03:24:45) Skeletor: hmm ok (03:24:51) Skeletor: have you had a chance to read over the logs for this'? (03:25:00) ebony girl: right ive read them (03:25:13) ebony girl: and nothing about them was punishable (03:25:44) ebony girl: i was honor 5 before my first chat restriction (which was just) but this is so ridiculous (03:26:04) Skeletor: Yea i get where you are coming from there (03:26:18) Skeletor: well im looking at the games and I can see why these two wre chosen (03:26:27) Skeletor: So what do you think is worth a chat restriction? (03:27:03) ebony girl: verbal harassment or hate speech, or overall an overwhemingly negative attitude (03:27:15) ebony girl: which i consciously avoid (03:28:34) ebony girl: the only thing i said was "idiot" just that one word, and it wasnt even mean spirited (03:28:55) ebony girl: i didnt say anything else to be considered negative at all (03:29:35) Skeletor: yea honestly your chat is not that bad (03:29:41) Skeletor: and honelty you did a good overview of what we look for (03:29:56) Skeletor: one thing that most people get hit with which is what happened here is knowning when to let something go (03:30:08) Skeletor: like persisting an argument or trying to drive home a point (03:30:22) Skeletor: we sorta see it like yelling at someone to be quiet who is yelling during a movie (03:30:24) Skeletor: you are right (03:30:28) Skeletor: but you are going about it wrong (03:30:40) ebony girl: but its not like arguing is against the summoner code (03:31:03) ebony girl: im trying to prove why im NOT doing something wrong so im NOT falsely reported (03:31:28) Skeletor: I get ya there (03:31:33) Skeletor: but you dont need to prove that to them (03:31:37) Skeletor: because a report is just a ping (03:31:40) Skeletor: it jsut lets us know (03:31:47) Skeletor: " hey lookt at this game" (03:31:53) Skeletor: then we see whats going on (03:31:55) Skeletor: and make a decision (03:32:21) ebony girl: so can you tell me why the decision was made to chat restrict me because ive fallen in line with the summoner code (03:33:27) Skeletor: I can (03:33:40) Skeletor: SO most of this is not that bad, there is just honestly a lot of the same lighly negative behaiovr (03:33:47) ebony girl: because in one of those someone actually lost us a game by rage quitting and was not punished. and i wrote a detailed report about it (03:33:56) Skeletor: A majotity of this was just focusing on the negative situation at hand instead of letting it pass (03:33:56) ebony girl: but you see nothing i said was negative man (03:34:05) Skeletor: im not saying you are the only one here who is doing something work (03:34:07) Skeletor: wrong* (03:35:21) ebony girl: dude i get it you dont want players having a negative experience, but what was i doing to infringe on any of these people playing the game (03:35:41) ebony girl: i wasnt doing anything wrong at all and was conscious of the summoner code (03:35:49) ebony girl: isnt that what you guys want? (03:36:30) ebony girl: i tried to handle the situations with a calm logical perspective rather than flaming or negative behavior (03:36:51) Skeletor: I get ya there (03:37:03) Skeletor: and honestly outside of the sheer bulk of this you did do that (03:37:14) Skeletor: but the constant focuse on it was not productive or helpful to the situation (03:37:20) Skeletor: and thats why i have to keep the penalty (03:40:02) ebony girl: but thats not an offense on the summoner code, i was trying to HELP these games! and actually try when my teammates were flaming me (game 1) and when a teammate rage quit (game 2) i was trying to win the game and communicate with my teammates (game 1) saying things like "GJ" "and ill duo top hope they are bad its gold" and in game 2 by offering advice to teammates and trying to win a game another player lost for us (03:40:10) ebony girl: how is that in any way negative behavior (03:41:34) Skeletor: I get where you are coming from but even if we look away from the bulk of the first game (03:41:41) Skeletor: the 2nd game which i belevie you will have vision of (03:41:47) Skeletor: would be a more clear problem :c (03:42:11) ebony girl: can you point to where im doing anything reportable or punishable in the second game (03:42:37) Skeletor: sure (03:42:50) Skeletor: ebony girl: i had him ebony girl: gold player Can you explain that line to me? (03:43:17) Skeletor: ebony girl: im done ebony girl: report poppy ebony girl: what an idiot ebony girl: its over dude ebony girl: its a 4v5 ebony girl: i was winning our early game ebony girl: you take a loss ebony girl: i caused 3 more ebony girl: idiot ebony girl: gold player (03:43:20) Skeletor: Then there is that part (03:43:45) ebony girl: poppy didnt want my gank to work, and she tped to a ward deep in the lane to ping me to stop coming, when he was below 100 hp (03:44:13) ebony girl: she was the one ruining this game man (03:44:30) ebony girl: and she wasnt punished because i wouldve gotten notified (03:45:30) ebony girl: and me saying "you take a loss" and "gold player" is saying that things mess up and you win some and lose some (03:47:43) ebony girl: listen man the poppy was ahead and ragequit the game after i was succesfully ganking, her leaving the game was an "idiotic" thing to do, and i was condemning reportable and game ruining behavior. and again, this was only ONE game. (03:47:58) Skeletor: I understand that the game was frusterating (03:48:05) Skeletor: but im only telling you whats getting picked up (03:48:19) Skeletor: and what lead to this here, we will only hold you accountable for what you have control over (03:48:44) ebony girl: and what about the positive things i did that game? (03:48:56) ebony girl: i dont understand whats so bad about this (03:49:10) ebony girl: like im honestly baffled why im getting punished (03:49:51) Skeletor: II do see the postive things (03:50:03) Skeletor: however the system is picking up on the negative ones (03:50:15) Skeletor: and this is the sutff that needs just a little improvment on (03:50:26) ebony girl: i get a little improvement (03:50:34) ebony girl: but this is straight up an unjust punishment (03:50:52) ebony girl: im not a toxic player and handled these very well compared to the average player (03:52:20) Skeletor: You are correct you did (03:52:27) Skeletor: and there is just a little more that needs to be imprvoed (03:52:34) Skeletor: but sadly I cant change the penalty on your account :c (03:53:05) ebony girl: well do you mind connecting me to someone who can? (03:53:26) ebony girl: because im going to seek to complain on a larger spectrum but i wanted to come to support first (03:53:37) ebony girl: to see if this is an honest mistake (03:53:54) ebony girl: but unfortunately it seems you actually AGREE with this punishment (03:53:59) Skeletor: Ah (03:54:08) Skeletor: well I can, I would not though, cause nothign is wrong here (03:54:30) ebony girl: You would not what? (03:54:46) Skeletor: Reduce this (03:54:51) Skeletor: I can change the state of your account (03:54:53) Skeletor: but I will no (03:54:55) Skeletor: not*' (03:55:24) ebony girl: you see thats where i dont understand. and which is why i want to now complain on a larger scale. (03:56:21) Skeletor: There isnt any higher escalation that I can send you to (03:56:25) Skeletor: you are currently at the top (03:56:28) Skeletor: :[ (03:56:37) ebony girl: im talking about social platforms (03:56:56) Skeletor: Oh (03:57:01) Skeletor: well i dont control anything outside of league (03:57:07) Skeletor: but you are free to do that if you wish (03:57:20) ebony girl: i assure you the general public of LOL players would 100% disagree with this punishment (03:57:37) ebony girl: especially since ive read the summoners code and know what is expected of me (03:57:47) ebony girl: this is so ridiculous man (03:58:32) ebony girl: there are actual players trolling, afkiing, and griefing games and player like me are getting punished for things like this (03:58:40) ebony girl: less than 8 negative messages (03:58:49) ebony girl: that werent even hateful or toxic (03:58:56) Skeletor: You are only being held accountable for the things you have control over, :c (03:59:15) ebony girl: less than 8 negative messages man (03:59:30) ebony girl: can you honestly tell me im a negative player (04:00:06) ebony girl: or that im infringing on other peoples experience in the game (04:00:33) Skeletor: Negative, no (04:00:42) Skeletor: i think you just have a few moments where the game gets to be too much (04:00:47) Skeletor: and that frusteration comes out (04:00:50) ebony girl: then what about that is punishable? (04:01:01) Skeletor: the small moments where it comes out (04:01:03) Skeletor: or the arguing (04:01:20) ebony girl: arguing is not punishable in the summoner code man (04:01:32) ebony girl: im a very respectable player when it comes to chat (04:02:34) Skeletor: It is punishable (04:02:39) Skeletor: and thats why we are here now (04:02:59) ebony girl: it seems like the players that make sexist comments about me being a girl and actually greifing players are sliding by (04:03:16) ebony girl: and this, THIS is what is pickedup on your radars? (04:03:41) ebony girl: me saying the word idiot twice? (04:04:42) Skeletor: both is negative (04:04:45) Skeletor: and non of that is acceptable (04:05:08) ebony girl: cmon man (04:05:25) ebony girl: you have to realize this is ludicrous right? (04:05:49) Skeletor: Im sorry but I have to keep everythint the way it is (04:05:53) Skeletor: and that answer has to be final :c (04:05:58) ebony girl: youve said im not a negative player and how the first game wasnt negative even, and hiow youve even seen me being positive in the first game (04:06:10) ebony girl: second game (04:06:24) ebony girl: youve said im not a negative player and how the first game wasnt negative even, and hiow youve even seen me being positive in the first game and second game (04:06:39) ebony girl: so why do i deserve this (04:06:47) *** ebony girl has rated the chat Bad *** (04:06:51) *** ebony girl has removed the chat rating *** (04:07:36) Skeletor: because of the smalll negativity that i lined (04:07:38) Skeletor: linked (04:07:44) Skeletor: and the fact that you keep aruments going (04:07:53) Skeletor: That would be the best summary that I can give (04:08:07) ebony girl: youve even just used the words small negativity (04:08:36) Skeletor: Right (04:08:41) Skeletor: when you asked me if you are negative (04:08:46) ebony girl: how is that worth 10 games of chat restriction and my honor progress lost? (04:08:46) Skeletor: i said I would not classify you as negative (04:08:54) Skeletor: cause I see that as a person that spend the entire game (04:08:59) Skeletor: trying to make a negative siatuation (04:09:13) Skeletor: i said you are a good person who lets the frusteration of the game boil out of them (04:09:16) Skeletor: and thats whats getting you (04:10:10) ebony girl: listen ive made my point, and id like to thank you for your time, but im going to log this conversation and bring this to the community. (04:10:27) Skeletor: Sure (04:10:33) Skeletor: If you would like then you are free to (04:10:40) Skeletor: I wish you the best with that (04:10:44) Skeletor: honestly and truly do (04:11:54) ebony girl: it seems like you arent to me this is disrespectful to the actual decent people in the community (04:12:27) ebony girl: and i get you are just trying to do your job (04:12:32) ebony girl: but this isnt it (04:13:15) Skeletor: I get why you woudl be unhaoppy with my decitions (04:13:23) Skeletor: decision (04:13:54) Skeletor: And yes I have rules and guidelines that I have to follow as well. Was there anything new that I could address for you? (04:14:14) ebony girl: no bro (04:15:10) Skeletor: Ok, then I hope your night improves in some way (04:15:54) ebony girl: is there a way you can link me to my full chat logs (04:16:25) Skeletor: if you loot at the chat box (04:16:36) Skeletor: there should be an option around it to download full chat log (04:16:45) ebony girl: no im talking about my games (04:16:49) Skeletor: oooh (04:16:53) ebony girl: the two "punishable" games (04:16:54) Skeletor: i can get you what you said (04:16:57) Skeletor: but thats it (04:17:09) ebony girl: well its not all of what i said (04:17:13) ebony girl: but yes sure (04:17:33) ebony girl: what i was notified with while logging in (04:18:16) Skeletor: Ok Ill give you those (04:18:21) Skeletor: give me a sec to collect them
(04:21:36) ebony girl: thank you. (04:22:40) Skeletor: Glad to help (04:22:51) Skeletor: was there anything else I could do for ya while you are here? (04:23:46) ebony girl: say hi to reddit i guess (04:25:13) Skeletor: Lol (04:25:16) Skeletor: best of luck with that (04:25:22) Skeletor: have a good rest of your night (04:25:28) ebony girl: thanks. (04:26:14) *** Skeletor left the chat *** (04:26:21) *** ebony girl has rated the chat Bad *** (04:26:21) *** ebony girl has commented: Wow. What a company guideline to follow. *** (04:26:23) *** ebony girl left the chat ***
So here's why you should care, and here's what you should do.
You should care because: This was an obvious unjust punishment, and it seemed as if the rioter himself knew it. Now even if its a small punishment compared to a ban, keep in mind none of this is against the summoner code and you can be punished in your games for it too. And that is straight up ridiculous.
What you should do: Email riot, send them this post, start a thread, log onto their website and get on live chat, let them know what you think about punishments like this and why this is so important to the community.
DO NOT LET THEM STEAMROLL US. THERES SO MANY PLAYERS THAT DONT DESERVE THESE PUNISHMENTS BY A SOFT, YELLOW BELLIED SUMMONER CODE.