Players who flame back in "self defense" don't understand the meaning of those words

KFCeytron·3/2/2019, 12:45:18 PM·17 votes·8,805 views

All too often, I see punished players attempting to justify their toxic behavior by claiming it was in "self defense." This attitude is a misplaced vestige originating from the real world. In the real world of physical experience, people occasionally need to defend themselves from harm. This means taking whatever actions are necessary to prevent some sort of malady or injury from befalling us. For example, someone who took a wrong turn in a bad neighborhood may find themselves the victim of an assault. If they do nothing, they may be grievously injured. Therefore, it's reasonable for this person to not only e.g. use their arms to protect their head, but also to hit back at the person attacking them. The reasoning behind such an action is that the attacker will either rethink their actions and break off the attack, or, if they do not, they may be physically incapacitated by their victim's retaliation. This is why firearms - a type of weapon - have legitimate defensive purposes. If an attacker is physically imposing and skilled in hand-to-hand combat, it's logical to defend oneself from that from as great a distance as possible, which firearms permit.

This is why it is relatively commonplace to hear that one person attacked another in self defense - a reactionary attack that prevented an attack. Self defense is commonly considered to be an acceptable practice, even when it involves going on the offensive, if that's what's necessary for someone to protect themselves from harm.

LoL chat is "real life" in that it occurs between real people, but this interaction is far removed from the context of physical experience. No one can be injured by participating in LoL chat, and it's entirely voluntary. The only component of LoL chat is the messages we send and receive. Unfortunately, some players occasionally decide to send chat messages that bother other players, whether through racial and homophobic slurs, harassment, or spam. Understandably, other players would like to protect themselves from this unpleasantness. Here we have "self defense." However, while the basic idea here is the same as it is for self defense in the real world, there is one very important practical difference.

There is a mute function.

Muting another player prevents any of their chat messages from reaching you. The degree of protection is so absolute that you won't even know when a muted player is talking. It is the end-all, be-all of self defense. A good thing, too, because "hitting back" like we occasionally do to defend ourselves in the real world doesn't even work in LoL chat. Nothing a player says carries any kind of authority over other players. Flaming back just tells the toxic player that they got under someone's skin, which is more likely to spur them on than quell their efforts. In the real world, passive measures (like covering our head with our arms) might not be enough to save us from harm, while "hitting back" can occasionally be effective, which is why the latter is considered acceptable. LoL chat is the opposite. The purely defensive measure of muting is 100% effective, and flaming back is 100% ineffective.

Muting is the only self-defense. Don't respond to poor behavior with poor behavior.

38 Comments

ThyDelutionist3/2/2019, 1:05:11 PM3 votes

The problem is the system itself dude... I hope u understand that if 2 are flaming each other then the system is obligated to chat ban both of them... Since this isnt happening most of the time means the system is useless at best

ˆˇˆˇˆˇ3/2/2019, 2:16:01 PM3 votes

Here is a quick answer to your topic that @Tuition Fee (NA) did :

Ten reasons why it's better not to flame back

Flamers usually get even madder when you don't react to their provocations. They get punished. You don't. Don't let one asshole ruin your day. Mute and enjoy the game. "Riot doesn't punish these people!" Trust me, they do. I have a few friends who've been permanently banned, and even more who've gotten their 14 day suspension. Bots are usually pretty accurate with these things. It's not defending yourself, and the bot sure won't view it that way. It's not worth your time. In the time you were typing, you could've gotten ten more cs, or maybe a kill. It accomplishes nothing, really. Flamers usually don't take your points into consideration, and you won't vent off any steam by flaming them back; they'll respond with something that pisses you off even more. They might be not so subtly flame baiting, trying to get you to use one of the zero tolerance words. Don't stoop to their level! Keep your hands clean. Your teammates are more likely to sympathize with you if you don't add to the toxicity. A few kind words always help untilt!

Xidphel3/2/2019, 3:14:04 PM3 votes

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

#Yes!

PH453/2/2019, 12:53:26 PM2 votes

Agreed. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Metal Janna3/2/2019, 8:37:04 PM2 votes

In all those books you read to develop that vocabulary... and you never ever read the phrase "defending one's honor"? If someone is defaming you in chat, it may very well have consequences in the way the rest of the team behaves toward you. This is not a "no threat" kind of situation like you try to make it sound.

CurrentBanTallyV3/2/2019, 10:39:52 PM1 votes

Trolls (myself included) LOVE players like you. I love when I read stuff like this. I love this attitude, and thumbs you up.

The reason is because you make trolling SO much more enjoyable.

The current system, people cant leave or they get punished, they cant afk or they get punished. And thanks to people like you they cant fight back EITHER.

My favorite part of being a bully is when the victim cannot defend himself. They just have to sit there and take it, getting angrier and angrier until they eventually snap. It's so satisfying because they have everything to lose.

Keep up the good work!!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

KryptoKit3/3/2019, 10:53:05 AM1 votes

Self defense acts are not limited to physical attacks by definition (since you seem to go by the book). Muting teammates in ranked is a fools errand as it limits the communication in this TEAM game.

Saianna3/5/2019, 1:59:58 AM1 votes

There is a mute function.

  1. get flamed at
  2. mute the guy
  3. Feel bad/angry/frustrated for the rest of the game
  4. he spams to report you (which u don't see)
  5. Sometime later "your account chat function has been suspended"

I'm sorry but if "flaming back" will make me not feel like kicked dog, I will flame back. The end results will be pretty much the same either way.

This system is flawed. Want me to mute flamers? Okay, but then immidiately inform me that the flamer I reported has been banned or suspended. MAKE SOMETHING THAT HELPS ME NOT FEEL LIKE HELPLESS VICTIM. Do that and I will feel justice is served. I will not feel the need to go at flaming war with anyone.

Vreivai3/5/2019, 2:22:42 AM1 votes

I think part of the reasoning comes from the false assumption that more reports makes it more likely someone is punished, a myth that Riot has been all to happy to let flourish. And if 9x reports really did give you a reasonable chance of punishment regardless of whether you did something wrong or not, it'd be entirely reasonable to defend yourself against someone else's false accusations.