Why is verbal toxicity a bannable offense when players can decide to mute them if it truly bothers them? Things like griefing, i.e., feeding, and stealing buffs should be bannable on the basis of them being unavoidable and annoying for the entire team.
ModThe Djinn3 votesFor the same reason shooting someone wearing a bulletproof vest is still a crime: just because a defense against an action exists does not mean the action is suddenly appropriate or acceptable.
Additionally, in order to tell that you should have to mute someone, you must be exposed to their toxicity first. It's ridiculous to assume that just because League is an online community that we HAVE to simply accept toxicity as an acceptable behavior.
scazzman1 votesAdditionally, in order to tell that you should have to mute someone, you must be exposed to their toxicity first. It's ridiculous to assume that just because League is an online community that we HAVE to simply accept toxicity as an acceptable behavior.
this is untrue. there are people who /mute all from the start of the game
Chermorg1 votesThat's like saying that someone can't leave the house for fear of getting shot by people standing outside with guns pointed at them.
"oh but they didn't even get shot yet" - yes, maybe, but their life is still impacted negatively by the threat thereof.
Muting all is a symptom of a problem (toxicity), not a solution thereto.
ModThe Djinn2 votesthis is untrue. there are people who /mute all from the start of the game
There are, yes. But if you're suggesting that the solution to toxic players is for anyone who doesn't want to experience toxic behavior to mute their entire team and cut off communication just in CASE of toxicity, then we've got an issue. :P
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=P78B2ByA,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2017-08-31T21:56:53.499+0000)
There are, yes. But if you're suggesting that the solution to toxic players is for anyone who doesn't want to experience toxic behavior to mute their entire team and cut off communication just in CASE of toxicity, then we've got an issue. :P
im not saying that at all. im just countering your arguement of "in order to mute you first have to be exposed to toxicity" also some people mute just because someone types a lot, or are annoying but not necessarily toxic
ModThe Djinn1 votesim not saying that at all. im just countering your arguement of "in order to mute you first have to be exposed to toxicity" also some people mute just because someone types a lot, or are annoying but not necessarily toxic
Well, yes. There are other reasons, and there are preventative mutings. But, in general, a toxic player ends up muted AFTER tipping their hand to their behavior.
Soupnia1 votesExcept muting wholeheartedly ignores what the other person says... it's 100% effective against toxicity. The same cannot be said for bulletproof vests. That analogy is poor.
ModThe Djinn2 votesExcept muting wholeheartedly ignores what the other person says... it's 100% effective against toxicity. The same cannot be said for bulletproof vests. That analogy is poor.
The analogy isn't meant to be exact -- the point is that having a defense does not justify an attack. Even if a vest DID protect you 100%, it still wouldn't justify the attack in the first place.
Umbral Regent1 votesExcept muting isn't 100% effective, because muting only works in-game. Sure, there's the Block option, but it's not 100% effective when the person can still be toxic to you in the post-game lobby, or send you a friend request to be toxic through PMs. (and, yes, there are some people who think that toxic folks could have a change of heart post-game. Dunno why.)
At any rate, your whole initial question is "why can't I be a jerk when there's an option to not see me be a jerk in chat?"
And the answer is; because you're not supposed to be a jerk. The existence of the /mute command is no excuse for being a jerk.
archerno11 votesWhy are u comparing those 2? First of all, how can you "steal" buff if its neutral objective? It doesnt belong to anyone. Same way jungler is allowed to come on lane and farm, laner is allowed to go to jungle and farm. Feeding ? Why should feeding be bannable? Feeding just mean opponent is playing better and beating you. Its normal part of game. Whats griefing?
Soupnia1 votesYou steal a buff by taking either red or blue buff and not using it... either by going afk or going to the enemy team to intentionally feed them. Stop trying to act oblivious. You're playing devil's advocate in a scenario where's it's unnecessary to.
archerno12 votesYou steal a buff by taking either red or blue buff and not using it... either by going afk or going to the enemy team to intentionally feed them. Stop trying to act oblivious. You're playing devil's advocate in a scenario where's it's unnecessary to.
Well, in that case its not "stealing buff" thats against rules, but intentional feeding and afking which is both punishable. Its completely unrelated. You can intentionally feed and afk even without buff and effect and punishments are same...
Soupnia1 votesThe buff would give an advantage to those who are actively trying to win on the team, so by stealing it and then intentionally feeding, you're griefing even more than you would be versus you just feeding.
archerno11 votesThe buff would give an advantage to those who are actively trying to win on the team, so by stealing it and then intentionally feeding, you're griefing even more than you would be versus you just feeding.
Yes cause playing 5v4 is not enough advantage even without buff? Or getting free kills? Hell i have stolen many buffs from opponents jungle without getting crazy advantage... You are trying to make it look much more serious than it actually is. Its just a minor issue.
Soupnia1 votesDude, I'm talking about the team that has the feeder losing the buff, not vice versa...
archerno11 votesDude, I'm talking about the team that has the feeder losing the buff, not vice versa...
And im saying there is no difference in breaking rules with buff or without. Punishments are same. Whats so hard for you to understand? Intentional feeding, if caught is punished with 14 days into perma ban for 1st and 2nd offense respectively. Afking is punished with Leaver Buster system with ever increasing punishments that can also escalate into 14 days ban.
Soupnia1 votesWhat I'm arguing is that experiencing toxicity is manageable, whereas griefing and intentional feeding from your teammates isn't. Those two things should remain bannable, whereas toxicity shouldn't.
archerno11 votesWhat I'm arguing is that experiencing toxicity is manageable, whereas griefing and intentional feeding from your teammates isn't. Those two things should remain bannable, whereas toxicity shouldn't.
One doesnt exclude another. Why shouldnt toxicity remain bannable? There isnt events like ones in bible where 2 offenders are presented to mob to choose who gets punished. We have close to perfect system thats completely automated without any resources put into it for battling toxicity. Its like saying: We should remove trafic cameras that are used for processing traffic offenders in order to catch thieves and murderers. It just doesnt make any sense what u are suggesting.
Alpha Samsuni1 votesbecause when you come to the point where you feel the need to mute someone, you've already experienced toxicity?
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesThe mute button is to try and salvage a game already ruined by toxicity.
The report button is so that no other player has to go through that.
Also, both things are bannable
Soupnia1 votesI would understand if toxicity would AT MOST warrant a permanent mute, but in some instances bans are given. Where's the justification for banning them? Would permanently muting them not make it impossible for them to bm other players?
scazzman1 votesI would understand if toxicity would AT MOST warrant a permanent mute, but in some instances bans are given. Where's the justification for banning them? Would permanently muting them not make it impossible for them to bm other players?
the excuse riot uses is that enough of them will resort to gameplay trolling which is harder to detect and more disruptive then chat, in reality. they are trying to bully you into making new accounts
Soupnia1 votesYeah, more money for them and give them a better public image. It just pisses me off how I can't be toxic when I get teammates on my team that go AFK, feed, or do a combination of afking for the first 20 minutes only to return to feed.