Riot is taking honor too far.

Toxicate13··2 votes·2,704 views

I despise the new honor system. All it's done is piss me off to the point where I might stop playing the game because Riot is finding more and more ways to punish "toxic" players. I got dropped to honor 1 for bming by saying stuff like "ggez" or "bronze" or stuff like that. Not super toxic, but it's whatever. I don't care about honor rewards anyways. But then, I find out that you can't get a border at the end of the season unless you're honor 2 (a rank border in the loading screen). AND you can't participate in clash either. So now they've fucked me over in three different ways just because I'm "toxic". Isn't that taking it a bit too far? There are so many toxic people in this game, and punishing them by depriving them of certain features, along with chat restrictions and bans, is just counter-productive. I haven't been punished for a while, but I'm still at honor 1 with no checkpoints because it takes decades to level up your honor. I get honored almost every game and I hardly talk in chat, but I'm literally stuck below honor 2 and they won't even give me a checkpoint. So now, not only do I not get rewards that I don't really care about, but I also don't get access to a shit ton of other stuff. All because I trash talked in a COMPETITIVE ONLINE GAME. Hm...

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Umbral Regent5 votes

First of all, let me correct you:

All because I trash talked in a COMPETITIVE ONLINE GAME.

You mean you went over the line in trash-talking in a competitive online game. It's one thing to toss about some competitive BM, but you have to know when to lay off, elsewise...Well, you're already there, aren't you?

But then, I find out that you can't get a border at the end of the season unless you're honor 2 (a rank border in the loading screen). AND you can't participate in clash either.

Isn't that taking it a bit too far?

No...? Why should dishonorable people get rewards or - more - participate in high-stakes competitive modes? If you crack under the pressure of Ranked play, what's it gonna be like when things go sour in Clash - a gamemode, which, by the way, is more competitive than Ranked play?

Setting the bar to entry at Honor 2 - the baseline Honor level for all accounts - ensures that the pool of competitive players in Clash is pruned of the most likely candidates for toxicity. There may still be some toxic players in Clash, but setting an Honor prerequisite ensures that those who were punished for (semi-)recent misbehavior don't bring their toxicity into a gamemode where people want - more than ever - to win.

As for End of Season rewards...Again, tell me exactly why dishonorable players should be rewarded? Sure, I can agree, it's a bit harsh for some folks who truly have reformed to just have to stew in silence because, despite their efforts and skill, they don't get their End of Season rewards, but, such is the bed they made themselves in the first place.

You've still got the rest of the year to climb back in honor ranks. If you want your End of Season rewards, earn it. Don't expect that your misbehavior isn't gonna have consequences.

There are so many toxic people in this game, and punishing them by depriving them of certain features, along with chat restrictions and bans, is just counter-productive.

Is it, really? The point of a punishment is to provide negative reinforcement to an undesirable action. Riot doesn't want people being toxic, so it only makes sense that players who act out and break the rules don't get some of the greater benefits the game provides. If they still got End of Season Rewards and access to Clash, what would be stopping them from continuing their misbehavior oh-so infrequently as to keep their account, but still enough to ruin people's experiences?

Again - I can agree that, for some people, it's pretty harsh. I could lament their potential wasted efforts all day long, but, I don't come to the boards to wax poetic. At the end of the day, though, people have been asking for harsher punishments to players who break the rules, and the indirect approach seems to be perfectly viable, IMO.

Toxicate131 votes

I wasn't playing ranked when I used bm. I was in norms. In ranked, I mute all and don't say anything. I can still be competitive in norms, right? Also, most toxicity is directed towards team mates, so... why would it matter if there were "toxic" people in Clash when you choose your own team? Don't pick someone you know is toxic or someone you know will feed or do bad. It's common sense, dude.

Umbral Regent5 votes

Sure, you can still be competitive in normals. But you still gotta mind the line between competitive BM and senseless shit-talk. If you got punished, then, again: clearly, you crossed that line.

Also, most toxicity is directed towards team mates, so... why would it matter if there were "toxic" people in Clash when you choose your own team?

Most isn't all. Your case should be more than evidence to that effect - if you can pardon me beating a dead horse. It matters to prevent dishonorable players from entering Clash because it's a competitive tournament mode. I dunno about you, but tournaments are the places where people are expected to be sportsmanlike and honorable.

It doesn't matter if you choose your own teammates, you're still going into a high-stakes tournament. You're expected to be on your best behavior, and to show your team - and the enemy - the best side of you.

Don't pick someone you know is toxic...

That is exactly the point of the Honor requirement, isn't it? It's just that Riot's doing half the work for us.

BroLane3 votes

It's not hard to not be a shitty person. You are correct in saying that "ggez" isn't super toxic. It's still obnoxious and almost always unnecessary, and makes the game worse for other players. People like you are why I mute the enemy team before each round starts. I think this is a great initiative for Riot to take. They are rewarding those who play honorably with the occasional free skin, as well as cracking down on players who make the game a cesspool. Also, there are hundreds of competitive online games. Pick another if you don't like this one.

Toxicate132 votes

First of all, I never said I don't like League. Second, bm is a part of all online games, as well as competitive sports. So explain why I should be deprived access of in game features because I made a couple people mad. Then again, losing also makes the game worse for other players, so maybe they should just make it so everyone always wins, if they want to make everyone happy.

TranscendVirtual1 votes

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First of all, I never said I don't like League. Second, bm is a part of all online games, as well as competitive sports. So explain why I should be deprived access of in game features because I made a couple people mad. Then again, losing also makes the game worse for other players, so maybe they should just make it so everyone always wins, if they want to make everyone happy.

Riot disapproves of any negative behavior at all, and personally as someone who's always been tilted when someone says 'ez' especially when it's a long hard fought game, it seems extremely disrespectful, i'd almost rather someone be straight up an asshole, at least that way i would of muted them earlier. Theres a way to be competitive and 'trash' talk with out straight up being a dick to your opponent

Toxicate131 votes

Why did they add champion mastery bm and emotes then, if they didn't want people using "negative behavior"? Those piss me off more than "ggez"

TranscendVirtual2 votes

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Why did they add champion mastery bm and emotes then, if they didn't want people using "negative behavior"? Those piss me off more than "ggez"

Champion Mastery isn't bm, its to show your skill expression or mastery after a perceding play, and i dont know anyone who bms through emotes, emotes are meant to show emotions going on in the moment when they happen. The most used emote in the game is the thumbs up anyway for communucation of emotion. If anything both of these are fun additions to the game from my perspecrive, mastery gets annoying only when someones pretentious about it.

BroLane1 votes

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First of all, I never said I don't like League. Second, bm is a part of all online games, as well as competitive sports. So explain why I should be deprived access of in game features because I made a couple people mad. Then again, losing also makes the game worse for other players, so maybe they should just make it so everyone always wins, if they want to make everyone happy.

You could be gracious and say that was tough, gg. Or alternatively, not say anything at all. Or spam champion mastery, if you really want to bm. Instead you decided to go out of your way to be scummy and type those extra 2 letters.

Toxicate131 votes

How is spamming champion mastery not "scummy"?

Tf 4203 votes

you didn't get chat restriction for saying ggez and bronze you got it for saying a load of shit for several games straight and unless you post chat logs you can't prove me wrong

Toxicate132 votes

I don't have my chat logs because like I said, I haven't been punished for a while. So I can't prove you wrong. But I know that I wasn't being toxic, so that's fine

Tf 4202 votes

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I don't have my chat logs because like I said, I haven't been punished for a while. So I can't prove you wrong. But I know that I wasn't being toxic, so that's fine

you wouldn't be the first person to come to gd with a sob story about their ban and turning out that they were toxic as fuck so unless you got chat logs i will not believe you when you say you weren't toxic

Umbral Regent2 votes

First of all, you could've worded that response way better. Second, it's completely unreasonable to badger someone for chat logs well after they've already served their punishment out. Their chat restriction has been, as far as I know or care, resolved for months now, so the chat logs wouldn't appear for them.

Beyond that, while I will say that Toxicate13's aforementioned punishment is merited, that doesn't mean they were toxic. They crossed a line once or twice and got punished for it. As far as I know (as I'm halfway inclined to believe what they say), they don't go out of their way to ruin the game for people, and they're not belligerent assholes.

And, lastly; they're not here to discuss their punishment. They're here to discuss the after-effects thereof, the impact that Honor (and Dishonorable status) has on their eligibility to receive End of Season rewards or sign up for Clash tournaments. If you're just going to hound after chat logs and accuse them of toxicity (which again, is neither here nor there), then you're not here for the right reason.

Toxicate132 votes

I don't care if you don't believe me, because your opinion doesn't make your statements true

Tf 4201 votes

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I don't care if you don't believe me, because your opinion doesn't make your statements true

yeah it doesn't matter if you show me chat logs or not your punishment is gonna stay xdxd gl with your next punishments! xdxd

Toxicate131 votes

How can I show you my chat logs when I don't have them? nice logic there

Kei1432 votes

95% of the player base aren't toxic. So Yea, you deserve special treatment.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

**95% of the player base hasn't been caught

Toxicate131 votes

That's just not true. In any given game, at least 2 people are toxic, give or take. And that's not just in ranked. It's in every game mode. And this is from my experience, so I don't know about your mmr, but... I've been in every mmr up to plat 5, and this statement holds true regardless of where I'm at.

Kei1432 votes

Then I can already prove you wrong with 2 games in the morning and no toxicity from both sides.

Toxicate131 votes

that's why I said "give or take". read next time

Kei1431 votes

Your 20% toxicity is an awful lot to take in my 0% toxicity scenario.

fatherdarius1 votes

2 out of 10 is still 80%, so at least RIOT is still catering to the majority.

The Yogi Show1 votes

The whole report system is trash anyways. There's a mute button. If someone is offending you, use it. Think about it like this. How often do you report someone? Ok now think about how often you are actually reporting people when you win? I feel like it's over 90% of reports are made by the losing team. So if you lose, you're naturally going to be salty. Oh someone took my blue buff that game and said I suicided? REPORTED. Get 2 salty people to team up in their blaming of the game on you, then maybe another salty person joins in. You get reported and banned for basically responding to anything while on a losing team. Take away losing team ability to report people.

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The whole report system is trash anyways. There's a mute button. If someone is offending you, use it. Think about it like this. How often do you report someone? Ok now think about how often you are actually reporting people when you win? I feel like it's over 90% of reports are made by the losing team. So if you lose, you're naturally going to be salty. Oh someone took my blue buff that game and said I suicided? REPORTED. Get 2 salty people to team up in their blaming of the game on you, then maybe another salty person joins in. You get reported and banned for basically responding to anything while on a losing team. Take away losing team ability to report people.

Reports only flag a game for review, and gang reports don't work, so as long as you're not breaking any rules then you won't get punished for a false report. Also, the mute button =/= a get out of jail free card, so if you're forcing people to mute you then there's a problem with you. As for taking away the losing teams ability to report, that will never happen. Why should I not be allowed to report a toxic player just because I happened to be on the losing team?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Did they change how honor interacted with rank? To my knowledge it still wouldn't affect ranked awards unless done super late in the season, when they do their cut off.

Toxicate131 votes

It does affect ranked rewards, or at least the border

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I found a support article. Although it seems to have just gone up today, unless my phone is being weird

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115011781068

Yup, gotta be 2 for rewards. Wasn't the case last season because new system.

Toxicate131 votes

That's why I think they're taking it a little too far. Clash and honor rewards came with or after the honor update. But now they're taking away things that have always been a part of league, like ranked borders.

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