The Summoners Code NEVER encourages reporting

KORGtuners·Jan 3, 2017·1 votes·1,763 views

> Intrinsic to the idea of competition is the notion that, when our pride is on the line, emotions tend to run high. Every person that we encounter is going to carry a different set of circumstances with them into the game, and **therefore is going to have a different level of tolerance for frustration. If you end up in a game with an abusive player, don't lower yourself to their level. Instead, politely ask them to calm down.And remember, even if you're having a bad game, quitting or going AFK just ruins the game for the rest of the players. If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation. **

> And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes.

118 Comments

YerroFeverJan 3, 20179 votes

The summoner's code is a guideline on how to behave towards your teammates.

"If someone's really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation"

This could be interpreted as "don't flame them back. Take the higher road and don't engage"

This does not say "Do not report a person"

If Riot never intended anyone to report anyone in a game, why is the reporting system there? Your interpretation of the totality of the situation and the text within the summoner's code makes no sense.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

This does not say "Do not report a person"

Nor does it say "report a person".

EDIT: In fact, it says " the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation"

Awkward CouchJan 3, 20178 votes

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Nor does it say "report a person".

EDIT: In fact, it says " the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation"

Reporting and muting/ignoring someone is not mutually exclusive.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

It also has that pesky word "resolve".

So tell me, if the problem has been resolved, why should I escalate to reporting the person as well?

YerroFeverJan 3, 20172 votes

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It also has that pesky word "resolve".

So tell me, if the problem has been resolved, why should I escalate to reporting the person as well?

So now you're carving out the singular particular instance where say someone has stopped spewing racial slurs despite the fact that I have previously given you an example where requesting they not say racist things didn't work.

Please do an analysis for me as to why your broad assertion is true despite the facts that the reporting system is in place, despite the tribunal, despite their FAQ section on when you should be reporting a player

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

Why in the world is this system in place if you are not encouraged to use it when necessary?

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Why can't you answer my question?

I can answer yours quite easily. It is in the Terms of Use:

In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior.

The Summoners Code is a quideline for exemplary behavior. Exemplary players do not report other players for toxic chat because they know simply muting a player resolves the issue. Exemplary players have the capacity to forgive. They do not need Riot to ban people in order to feel better.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20172 votes

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Why can't you answer my question?

I can answer yours quite easily. It is in the Terms of Use:

The Summoners Code is a quideline for exemplary behavior. Exemplary players do not report other players for toxic chat because they know simply muting a player resolves the issue. Exemplary players have the capacity to forgive. They do not need Riot to ban people in order to feel better.

What question have you actually asked? Why are you deflecting and redirecting attention. You should be answering questions rather than asking questions when being asked questions.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

So tell me, if the problem has been resolved, why should I escalate to reporting the person as well?

That is my question. I have already answered your question. Without adding a new question.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20172 votes

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That is my question. I have already answered your question. Without adding a new question.

I have answered the question for you in my previous response. To further explain and give you an example as to why:

If there is a toxic player and they are saying the N word in every game in a derogatory sense to harass someone but only says it once in each game... (you only need to say it once to ruin a game experience) that's why people should be reported even if it has resolved during each game as apparently it only was said once.

We are not there to observe the behavior of the toxic person in every game. Riot can see them through the reports.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

Riot can see them through mutes as well. Riot could see them through a chat filter as well.

HexaDecimelJan 4, 20171 votes

It kinda sounds like you would prefer muting become the new report option. And once a player has been muted enough times they will receive a punishment.

Then again, that wouldn't be much different from the current report system we already have.

Sometimes I run across people who are just annoying in chat. I mute them with no intention of reporting simply because I don't want to have to listen to them. And sometimes I come across players that are purposely trying to ruin the game experience for other players. They might be cheating, raging, or trolling. And for those I will report. Not because of some hate filled quest for revenge. But because I wouldn't want that behaviour to continue into other matches and affect other players. If they were just having a bad day and they don't normally act like that then they probably won't get punished and I won't get bent out of shape because of it.

TrulyBlandJan 3, 20175 votes

99% of the time muting resolves the temporary issue of being in the same game as that person. It does not resolve the issue of this person going on to ruin more games, which exists regardless of whether not you personally forgive that person for the things they specifically did to you.

Reporting/Banning is not done out of revenge or "to feel better", it's done to fix the general situation of toxicity for everybody, not only for yourself. In fact, I'd argue that refusing to report an offense merely because you personally forgive them is, in a really weird way, a very self-centered thing to do.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

It does not resolve the issue of this person going on to ruin more games, which exists regardless of whether not you personally forgive that person for the things they specifically did to you.

You have no proof. Nor do I.

Reporting/Banning is not done out of revenge

It is 100% done out of revenge. Someone did something you did not like and now you are trying to get them removed from the game. The only possible way reports are not done out of revenge, is if you report people that you enjoyed.

In fact, I'd argue that refusing to report an offense merely because you personally forgive them is, in a really weird way, a very self-centered thing to do.

This interests me. I would like to hear where you are going with this if you don't mind.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20173 votes

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It is 100% done out of revenge. Someone did something you did not like and now you are trying to get them removed from the game. The only possible way reports are not done out of revenge, is if you report people that you enjoyed.

You are projecting your reporting habits onto others.

As to your statement about reporting being done 100% out of revenge:

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You have no proof. Nor do I.

TrulyBlandJan 3, 20173 votes

You have no proof. Nor do I.

Exactly. That's why a single report won't trigger a punishment. The system is capable of actually tracking a person's behaviour, you are not, as you will likely never play with them again.

It is 100% done out of revenge. Someone did something you did not like and now you are trying to get them removed from the game. The only possible way reports are not done out of revenge, is if you report people that you enjoyed.

I'm not trying to get them removed from the game... that's not even in my power (see the point I made above). And just because I disliked what they did does not mean that I am acting out of revenge. I might be making that decision to report somebody because I care about the other people that might end up in the same game as this person (see the point made below).

I know a lot of people that do use the report feature as a way to vent, but I also know a lot of people who very consciously report people because they are trying to get rid of this rough and often hateful behaviour that nobody really wants in their community. Either by giving them a couple of chances to reform their behaviour or, as you put it, removing them from the game alltogether if they fail to do so.

This interests me. I would like to hear where you are going with this if you don't mind.

Well, as a very fitting example: I could probably not give less of a fuck about people on the internet telling me to kill myself, so I just mute them and shrug it off. But I know that some people might be affected by that a lot more than I am. Not reporting these people that might hurt others way more than me, just because I can deal with it, is a very self-centered way to think. At least that's my opinion.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

I'm not trying to get them removed from the game

Then why are you reporting?

because I care about the other people that might end up in the same game as this person

Sounds like you don't want them in the game to me.

people who very consciously report people because they are trying to get rid of this rough and often hateful behaviour

Get rid of?

I would likely concede the point if the game told you every time you were reported and what for.

But I know that some people might be affected by that a lot more than I am. Not reporting these people that might hurt others way more than me, just because I can deal with it, is a very self-centered way to think.

You use the word "might" an awful lot for someone whom "knows". Perhaps you can see how you are assuming the accused will act the same towards others?

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20172 votes

I am not assuming that the accused will act the same towards others. I am, with my report, stating that they did act this way now. And if the system notices that this is a typical behaviour for the player in question then it dishes out a punishment. This is the part that you keep ignoring (or misunderstanding). Reporting doesn't mean "PUNISH! PUNISH IT NOW!!". It is nothing more than what the word itself implies: A report. And if what you report is not typical for that player, nothing will happen to them.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

I'm pretty sure I understand.

From my perspective, simply muting can tell Riot that you were not ok with that players chat. Is this how it works? No. It is possible though.

Reporting doesn't mean "PUNISH! PUNISH IT NOW!!".

The problem I have is there are only 2 possible outcomes from a report. Acquital and punishment.

When you report someone, you know full well, those are the only 2 options. So let's explore those 2 options for a moment.

Acquital: The person is found not quilty. There is no punishment. Ok, is there a better way to ensure a player is not punished? Don't report.

Punishment: What is the only way for someone to be punished? They were reported. I could be wrong. Maybe the system will automatically punish someone without being reported.

When I look at it in such simple terms, reporting someone is only good at one thing: getting a punishment issued.

Knowing that the only thing a report is good at is punishment, why would anyone report expecting a different result?

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20172 votes

Imagine if you suspect somebody stole from you, and you report that to the police. According to your logic, this means that your intention is that this person is punished, as if you want them to be acquitted you would not report the crime.

In reality, however, you would presumably be absolutely fine if that person isn't punished, when the investigation reveals that they did not actually steal from you.

Generally, what you expect from a report is neither punishment, nor acquittal, it's investigation. What you want, is a well-informed decision to be made. A decision you cannot personally make, because you lack information and/or qualification.

Of course, sometimes people will report with a favored result in mind, but as long as the investigation itself is neutral in this sense, the bias of the person that reports doesn't matter.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20171 votes

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Ok, is there a better way to ensure a player is not punished? Don't report.

This is what you have been saying the whole time. Don't report people because you don't want them to get in trouble for toxic behavior.

You're asking the whole league community to accept harassment solely so that you can continue to harass players with impunity.

How about rather than try to get the community to accept your trolling.... you just don't troll?

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

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I am doing no such thing. Mute a player that is harrassing you and that harrassment will end.

I am not the "Troll King". I can not make other people "just stop trolling". "Trolls" are a part of life. We can only choose how we react. I know it is scary, but sometimes giving into the trolls is actually the best outcome for everyone.

"Mute a player that is harrassing you and that harrassment will end."

You're looking at a tree and not the forest. You say the N word to someone in a game, they mute and ignore you. You keep saying the N word to try to aggravate and tilt them.

Next game, you say the N word to someone else, they mute you and ignore you. You keep saying the N word to try and aggravate and tilt them.

Third game, you say the N word for the same reasons as above.

Fourth game, you say the N word for the same reasons above

Fifth game, you do it again

Sixth game you do it again.

The harassment is there, but it is to 6 different individuals. The harassment hasn't ended because you just continue to harass other players because you have faced no consequences for being a racist asshat to people in game.

This is the problem that you don't want to accept that this is a significantly more likely scenario than your "oh my god I'm a troll and I have learned to never ever harass someone again with racist comments"

The severe punishments are dished out to repeat offenders and Riot has even said it. I don't know if you were around for the Tribunal, but I was and I participated in the tribunal and I didn't select punish for people who used a bad word once. They did it over several games and multiple times in each game. I actually never saw your hypothetical situation where someone was harassed once and was told it was inappropriate and a person revised their ways. The tribunal required several layers of harassment to actually require punishment.

What you are proposing is that no one ever report because muting and ignoring is the end all be all of solutions. However, I don't know you. I don't know who you are. You don't know me, you don't know who I am. You don't know your randoms, and you don't know your enemy randoms. You have no idea if they've been a target of a hate crime before. Being persecuted for being a woman, or being of a certain faith, or being of a certain religion, or being of a certain race, or being of a certain identity, etc...

Being a survivor of rapes and/or hate crimes is incredibly scarring and if you think that it's ok to poke and prod people at that, then you really are a terrible person.

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

Are you OK with how the Tribunal is handled? Do you think repeat offenders should be punished?

YerroFeverJan 4, 20172 votes

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I am not "OK" with tribunal. I think it was a hell of a lot better than this automated system though.

We may have to define "punishment". I think repeat offenders do not reform from punishment. Repeat offenders have deep issues that require earnest time and effort to reform.

This makes me believe you are an offender and a repeat offender and that you have been given multiple warnings and/or punishments like temp chat bans and temp bans and possibly permabans on one or more of your accounts and just want community support as to why you should not be punished again because you do not want to put in the effort to reform and be a better teammate.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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This makes me believe you are an offender and a repeat offender and that you have been given multiple warnings and/or punishments like temp chat bans and temp bans and possibly permabans on one or more of your accounts and just want community support as to why you should not be punished again because you do not want to put in the effort to reform and be a better teammate.

I am a repeat offender. (Semantics)

I do have a currently active level 30 account.

Ofcourse I do not want to be banned again. That is not my sole reasoning though.

I have put in effort to reform. I continue to put in effort to reform.

ModUlanopoJan 3, 20176 votes

It is 100% done out of revenge.

Well, I can say that isn't true. When I step on a dog turd, I'm not angry at the turd. I just want it off the sidewalk. Same principle applies to League.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

Uh, you stepped on a dog turd because you didn't see it.

You are describing what I am going to phrase as "preemptive revenge".

You don't want dog turds on the sidewalk. So you make laws against it. When those laws are broken, you fine the dog owner. The dog owner did not respect your laws, thus you are going to get revenge by fining them.

ModUlanopoJan 4, 20174 votes

You assume too much. I would never want an ordinance like that. The old-school libertarian in me recoils at the idea of that level of dogmatism.

But that misses the larger point: you're not talking to me. You're talking to a caricature of me you've constructed in your head. You don't know my beliefs and motives; you assume them.

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

Prepare a better analogy please.

Because you mention no reports in your dog turd analogy. Your task is to prove reports are not done out of revenge.

eldurisJan 4, 20174 votes

If you make a claim, such as "100% of reports are done purely out of revenge", the burden lies with you to prove it. The person you are arguing with has no obligation to disprove a wild claim presented with no evidence.

eldurisJan 4, 20172 votes

The problem word here is "revenge". I don't report people out of revenge. I report them to keep the community clean. If there's a rager or an AFK in my team, fine, it happens sometimes. I'm not going to take everything a random internet stranger says so personally that I start literally shaking. But that doesn't make their behavior acceptable at all. I believe there's no place in this community for people like that and I'll report them using the system that exists to Make League Great Again.

TrulyBlandJan 4, 20173 votes

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My evidence is right in front of you.

Tell me you have reported a person you enjoyed.

** What happens when someone is reported? The reported is put on trial. What are the possible outcomes of said trial? Acquittal or punishment. Not reporting has the same outcome as acquittal. Therefore, we are left with only one intended option, punishment. **

Are you going to tell me you report someone you enjoyed, with the intent on getting them punished?

This is where your logic fails. The intended outcome of a report doesn't have to be either acquittal or punishment. It can also simply be investigating which of these two options is the better idea.

If I suspect that somebody is guilty of a crime and I report that to the police, taht doesn't mean I want them punished. It means I want somebody with the proper qualification to find out whether there was a crime and then act accordingly.

I could give you a ton of additional examples, but the bottom line is that when you are getting somebody else to investigate an issue, that does not mean you are dead set on either outcome yet.

ModUlanopoJan 4, 20175 votes

PERSON A: 100% of people who own a gun purchased it with the intent to kill someone. PERSON B: Not so, I bought mine to go hunting with my grandfather. PERSON A: That's not true. I know your real motives. PERSON B: ...

Do they not teach formal logic and debate where you come from? That's not intended as a slur. It's a genuine curiosity for me.

ModUlanopoJan 4, 20173 votes

PERSON A: 100% of people who do [THING] do it for [X} reason. PERSON B: Not so, I do it for [Y] reason. PERSON A: That's not true. I know your real motives. PERSON B: ...

Do you not see how ridiculous and arrogant that sounds?

CooL Ice TeaJan 4, 20171 votes

Can you finally grow up and be a normal person? It's annoying to see people like you walk around. I am afraid you have a driver license and could hurt someone out there.

HexaDecimelJan 4, 20172 votes

But you are introducing blanks into the argument....

You are saying that guns only purpose is to cause harm then trying to argue that you should put blanks in the weapon. You never gave him an oppertunity to state what kind of ammo he intended on purchasing, you assumed.

And what about skeet shooters that only use their guns for competitions and never actually shoot something that was living?

KORGtunersJan 4, 20171 votes

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But you are introducing blanks into the argument....

You are saying that guns only purpose is to cause harm then trying to argue that you should put blanks in the weapon. You never gave him an oppertunity to state what kind of ammo he intended on purchasing, you assumed.

And what about skeet shooters that only use their guns for competitions and never actually shoot something that was living?

I don't want to discuss this. It was probably a bad analogy on my end.

Awkward CouchJan 3, 20173 votes

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It also has that pesky word "resolve".

So tell me, if the problem has been resolved, why should I escalate to reporting the person as well?

Because the issue my not be resolved, look at the SC again:

#3 Facilitate civil discussion

#4 Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense

When it comes to toxicity, you're not obligated to report or not report someone. If someone looses their cool but after a while regains their composure, sure that can be the end of it and no report would be given. However, just because you mute someone, doesn't mean the problem will just go away. The person may flame another teammate, in that case it wouldn't be resolved.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Pretty iffy. How does reporting someone facilitate civil discussion? How is reporting someone not at anothers expense?

When it comes to toxicity, you're not obligated to report or not report someone.

Exactly my point. The Summoners Code provides a "guideline for exemplary gameplay behavior". The code tells us that exemplary players solve the issue of toxicity in a specific way. First, they ask politely. Lastly, they mute. Reports are not mentioned in a guideline for exemplary players. So what is the reasoning for never mentioning the word "report" even once? Is it possible that exemplary players do not report toxic chat?

However, just because you mute someone, doesn't mean the problem will just go away. The person may flame another teammate

Who are you to say what "flaming" is? That is for each individual to decide.

therefore is going to have a different level of tolerance for frustration

As far as you are concerned. Muting someone has stopped the abusive language. Not only towards you, but towards your teammates as well. Once you mute them, you do not see anything they say towards others. You would have to ask your teammates if said person is being abusive towards them. However, if that person was being abusive towards them, then they would mute as well. Therefore, they are unaware if the person is still being abusive as well.

Awkward CouchJan 3, 20172 votes

At this point you're arguing semantics. The SC is a guide for exemplary behavior, but it is not the end all be all gospel that you think that it is. Just because it isn't written that "A good player reports others" doesn't mean that it's wrong to report. If we take the logic that, Riot, has taken the time and resources to put a report function for everyone to use, that it's perfectly ok with Riot to use the report function.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

It can be perfectly fine for Riot to encourage, while at the same time the Summoners Code does not.

This is not an issue of right or wrong. I'm not saying reporting is wrong (in this thread at least). I am saying that in a guideline set out for the conduct of exemplary players, reporting is never mentioned.

In my eyes, it is not so dissimilar to a monk vs a lay person. Monks are going to be held to a higher standard than a lay person. That does not make a lay person wrong or evil. A monk is an exemplary player. A lay person is the average player. In this metaphor.

Awkward CouchJan 3, 20173 votes

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It can be perfectly fine for Riot to encourage, while at the same time the Summoners Code does not.

This is not an issue of right or wrong. I'm not saying reporting is wrong (in this thread at least). I am saying that in a guideline set out for the conduct of exemplary players, reporting is never mentioned.

In my eyes, it is not so dissimilar to a monk vs a lay person. Monks are going to be held to a higher standard than a lay person. That does not make a lay person wrong or evil. A monk is an exemplary player. A lay person is the average player. In this metaphor.

So, what's the point of this thread then?

YerroFeverJan 3, 20172 votes

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So, what's the point of this thread then?

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You are taking quotes out of context now.

Don't ask me for my reasons then guess before I have the chance to respond. **> 3. The point of this thread was that exemplary players solve their problems without Riot intervention. **

I may have mispoken on being "required" to follow the Summoners Code. The wording is not clear in the Terms of Use for my own personal taste.

This could be interpreted as "I want you to think my toxic behavior has resolved but in reality, I have already done my damage and I have achieved my goal in that game and I want to trick you into never reporting me so that no one notices my behavior pattern and I can continue to be toxic at the beginning of each game, ruin that game, and never be reported and banned"

LimmieJan 3, 20172 votes

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So tell me, if the problem has been resolved, why should I escalate to reporting the person as well?

Because the report system is not there to solve the current situation, it's there to remove people who consistently create such situations in the first place so they won't bother other people in the future. Reporting a toxic player won't do anything for that game, but it helps the whole community in the long run.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20171 votes

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Nor does it say "report a person".

EDIT: In fact, it says " the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation"

Let us follow your example under reductio ad absurdium. It means reduction to the absurd. In the most basic explanation of the reasoning behind this: if we follow your premise and the outcome is absurd, it means your premise is faulty.

Your Premise:

It does not say "report a person" Therefore, the summoner's code never encourages you to report a person.

Reduction to the Absurd: 2) It does not say "you should not use racial slurs."

Therefore, Riot's Summoner Code does not encourage holding back the use of racist slurs.

Does that mean you should be able to use racial slurs? Does that mean I can spew hateful bigoted racist words at you?

No.

The end result is an absurdity.

Your premise is absurd.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Follow that logic for your own quote.

This does not say "Do not report a person

YerroFeverJan 3, 20173 votes

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Follow that logic for your own quote.

What you're doing here is trying to cast doubt without substantiating it. What you're doing is the adult equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?"

That's not actually analyzing it.

Do a reduction to the absurdity on the statement "just because the summoner's code does not say 'do not report a person' does not mean Riot does not encourage you to use it"

Show me why my premise is absurd.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Do a reduction to the absurdity on the statement "just because the summoner's code does not say 'do not report a person' does not mean Riot does not encourage you to use it"

Sorry, I do not subscribe to your logic. That was your logic not mine. My logic is it is only fair that your arguments are subjected to the same rules as mine. Also, I never said RIOT does not encourage you to report. I said the SUMMONERS CODE never encourages you to report.

Show me why my premise is absurd.

Show why it is not absurd. Follow your own logic for your own arguments.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20174 votes

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Sorry, I do not subscribe to your logic. That was your logic not mine. My logic is it is only fair that your arguments are subjected to the same rules as mine. Also, I never said RIOT does not encourage you to report. I said the SUMMONERS CODE never encourages you to report.

Show why it is not absurd. Follow your own logic for your own arguments.

Who wrote the Summoner's Code? Riot did. QED your first statement of "I never said RIOT does not encourage you to report" actually makes no sense.
Show you why my statement is not absurd. If the Summoner's Code does not explicitly state "Do not use racial slurs" the Summoner's Code does not necessarily mean that you should not be throwing racial slurs at other players in the game.

Just like how the Summoner's Code does not explicitly encourage you to report anyone, does not mean you should not report anyone.

You harp on the word "resolve" and now the premise of your statement is changing in that "if you resolve a player's behavior, you should not report it"

{quoted} As far as you are concerned. Muting someone has stopped the abusive language. Not only towards you, but towards your teammates as well. Once you mute them, you do not see anything they say towards others. You would have to ask your teammates if said person is being abusive towards them. However, if that person was being abusive towards them, then they would mute as well. Therefore, they are unaware if the person is still being abusive as well.

Also, you don't understand what mute/ignore does. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean other people don't. Other people may be offended by threats of rape or hate speech and other bigoted words being typed but just because you don't see it doesn't mean it ends when you mute/ignore. They can see the abuse directed at other people.

Ignorance seems to be bliss for you.

When things are not resolved and everyone is ignoring/muting him or her, it will not resolve the issue despite the inability to see it.

Is it actually efficient to wait for every league player who encounters that person to ignore/mute them to remove hate speech from their gaming experience or should Riot chat ban them so they cannot spew hateful words and ruin people's gaming experience?

From an efficiency point of view, I say report them despite the resolution because they may continue to spew racist words in a game you are not in. Riot can chat ban them rather than have every single person have to be subjected to hate speech and then have a negative gaming experience.

But, to each their own. If you like exposing everyone to hate speech, make your own game, make your own servers, and expose your player base to negative experiences and do what you want to do.

EDIT: Clearly the OP doesn't actually have a point. The OP just wants us to agree with him or her and no matter what, the OP actually cannot dispute anything because there is no logic behind the statements made by the OP.

This player will probably get reported in game for behaving inappropriately and then complain he later gets banned.

KORGtunersJan 3, 20171 votes

Because you are not differentiating between "exemplary" and "average". Riot would love for every play to be exemplary. That won't happen. So they gave guidelines for "exemplary" behavior and guidelines for "acceptable" behavior.
Once again, you are applying your logic to my arguments. Apply your logic to your own argument. Your argument was: This does not say "Do not report a person. Therefore, report everyone.
"if you resolve a player's behavior, you should not report it" . Give me a reason I should report it. Better yet, what is the reason behind punishments anyways?

Also, you don't understand what mute/ignore does. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean other people don't.

I bolded the important parts for you:

** As far as you are concerned**. Muting someone has stopped the abusive language. Not only towards you, but towards your teammates as well.** Once you mute them, you do not see anything they say towards others. You would have to ask your teammates if said person is being abusive towards them. However, if that person was being abusive towards them, then they would mute as well.** Therefore, they are unaware if the person is still being abusive as well.

When things are not resolved and everyone is ignoring/muting him or her, it will not resolve the issue despite the inability to see it.

Actually, the issue is resolved. If you can not see the abusive speech then how do you know it is there?

SIX. From an efficiency point of view, it is most efficient to completely remove chat. Sorry, I do not wish to discuss this particular topic further.

YerroFeverJan 3, 20172 votes

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Because you are not differentiating between "exemplary" and "average". Riot would love for every play to be exemplary. That won't happen. So they gave guidelines for "exemplary" behavior and guidelines for "acceptable" behavior.

Once again, you are applying your logic to my arguments. Apply your logic to your own argument. Your argument was: This does not say "Do not report a person. Therefore, report everyone.

"if you resolve a player's behavior, you should not report it" . Give me a reason I should report it. Better yet, what is the reason behind punishments anyways?

I bolded the important parts for you:

Actually, the issue is resolved. If you can not see the abusive speech then how do you know it is there?

SIX. From an efficiency point of view, it is most efficient to completely remove chat. Sorry, I do not wish to discuss this particular topic further.

You ignore the actual example given. Let me make it more of a concrete example:

Game 1: KORGturners: You're such a noob and probably a n****r ALLY: Woah there. That's racist man. You shouldn't say stuff like that [for the rest of the game KORGturners never speaks again]

Game 2: KORGturners: You're such a f****t ALLY: That's inappropriate man. You don't need to resort to slurs to express your frustration. Try constructive criticism and help them not make the same mistake twice. [for the rest of the game KORGturners never speaks again]

Game 3: KORGturners: I bet you're a girl. That's why you're so bad at league. ALLY: That is sexist. Girls can be good at games too. [for the rest of the game KORGturners never speaks again]

Game 4: KORGturners: FG N****R FT B***H ALLY: wow, where did that come from? [for the rest of the game KORGturners never speaks again]

So, under KORGturners' ideology, he should never be reported in any game and he should never get chat banned or anything because that Ally who was an exemplary player does not report people when things are "resolved."

Under the Riot's view, KORGturners should be reported every game because Riot needs to see patterns of toxic behavior to act appropriately