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Reporting needs requirements

RedTao·2/23/2016, 2:51:11 PM·1 votes·2,016 views

Too many people carpet bombing those 3 reports in one for little/no reason just to see what sticks. Make it so there are requirements unlocking the option to use certain reports. Example:

edit If riot gave you the ability to turn off your chat box (Your ability to see chat or type anything in chat) before game even starts. If that chat box was disabled for the entire match, then the ability to report said person for Verbal Abuse/Negative Behavior should not be an option people can use to report.
Someone has KD of 1/X? Unlock option to report for intentional feeding to be unlocked
Someone type afk at all during match? Unlock option to report for intentionally leaving game, odds are they said "Im going to afk" at some point. Otherwise we already have leavebuster to deal with the people who disconnected.
If none of these check boxs are available, make it so if someone wants to report someone for something make it so they have to explain IN DETAIL why you felt they had to be reported. That way you cant just click random boxs and send without any details.

Lastly, report for "Negative Behavior" should be removed. Reporting someone for negative behavior is a blanket statement that just means person did something you didn't like. The 3 big ones that everyone cares about is already covered in the examples listed and doesn't need to be piggy backed by having "Negative Behavior" on it. We get it, verbal abuse/afking/intentionally feeding is bad, no need to put Negative Behavior to go along with it.

These are not instructions to make perfect report system. These are just my ideas so people dont just report for everything they feel like.

Here's hoping Riot sees this.

Changed example 1 to different example. Didn't think it was getting idea I was trying to get across

60 Comments

Deep Terror Nami2/23/2016, 3:00:09 PM6 votes

1- Someone uses chat more than X amount of times in the game? Unlock option to report for verbal abuse.

Talking a lot does not mean a player is verbally abusing people. Talking little doesn't mean they are not.

2- Someone has KD of 1/X? Unlock option to report for intentional feeding to be unlocked

Intentional feeding is defined by the intention, not the number.

3- Someone type afk at all during match? Unlock option to report for intentionally leaving game, odds are they said "Im going to afk" at some point

What's the point of this? If they are afk they are afk whether they typed out those words or not. They would simply not type that to avoid getting punished.

This entire post is just proposing ways for trolls to get away with it. If someone just reports you for all 3, it doesn't matter; if it sticks it's because you were doing one of them. The fact that they put all 3 doesn't change it.

Skadeglädje2/23/2016, 2:54:08 PM4 votes

So if my only chat is one line, e.g. telling someone to die + a racial slur, my team shouldn't be able to report me?
So if I get pissed of for something that happens in champ select, goes bot to feed a kill at 1 minute, type "now we're even" and get back to my lane and play the game normally my team shouldn't be able to report me?

I get where you're coming from, reports are used to vent and harass all the time. But your suggestions wont help.

AJStarhiker2/23/2016, 11:47:43 PM3 votes

So don't talk about how much you suck. It doesn't give a favorable impression and makes it sound like you don't care about improving. It comes across as very negative.

If you think you suck, instead just say you're learning in pregame. If someone still gives you a hard time, just remind them (once) you'd mentioned it before the game started. Then mute them and don't worry about what they say after that.

AJStarhiker2/23/2016, 5:57:03 PM3 votes

Nothing wrong with trying to come up with ideas for improving the system.

But some of us have been in League and on the Boards and Forums for a long time. We've seen where problems have cropped up in previous iterations of the behavior system. Despite the Riot Fanboy accusations we often get, most of us will be the first to admit no system is going to be perfect.

I'm just not sure how making report catagories an "unlockable" feature adds anything. If anything, I would see it as frustrating, especially for people who may have lower tolerance levels than whatever threshhold is used to activate the reports.

I've also seen the "Require comments" suggestion crop up a few times over the years. They've been shot down every time. Riot knows there are people who spam reports, and they've designed the system to account for that.

Finally I'm just not sure how making report catagories an "unlockable" feature adds anything. If anything, I would see it as frustrating, especially for people who may have lower tolerance levels than whatever threshhold is used to activate the reports.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 3:03:36 AM2 votes

OP: If you truly believe it doesn't matter, than I don't know what else I can say to you other than you are responsible for your own behavior. That includes having a negative attitude towards yourself. If you believe that you suck and can't improve, then you won't. You are just giving yourself an excuse not to improve. You are letting the trolls win.

By the way, my advice is based on 5+ years of playing and almost as long in the Behavior and Tribunal sections of the boards and the old forums. In that time, I have never received a ban or chat restriction.

Edit: I don't know who told you that not talking creates a negative experience, but usually the advice is to mute, report, and move on. And (I don't have an easy link) but Lyte has made posts confirming that. It's why they removed the Refuse to Communicate report.

Anyone can report for anything, but that doesn't make it a valid report. I remember Riot resisted sending out "You've been reported" notices exactly because they wanted to avoid this type of situation. It's discouraging to see it if you've done nothing wrong. But people kept demanding it, and this is where we are now.

AJStarhiker2/23/2016, 10:00:46 PM2 votes

If the issue is that you are consistantly getting "You've been reported" warnings but aren't sure sure what you're doing wrong, it may help to play with someone who can watch what you are doing and give you some pointers on how to avoid traps you may not realize are a problem.

A few common ones I've seen:

"I was only trying to give advice". From my experience, few people take advice well in the middle of a game-- especially from a complete stranger. It often comes across as critical and condescending, regardless of the intent behind the advice.
"The other player started it/I was just defending myself". Some players will intentionally troll, just to get a reaction. There's currently a poster on the boards who claims he is intentionally behaving in a way to draw out reportable behavior to get other players banned. Don't fall for those traps. Mute them, ignore their behavior, and report them after the game.
"But he was feeding/stealing kills/taking my jungle!" Again, odds are the player is looking for a reaction and will gleefully hit report as soon as the game ends.
"I just wanted get others to report to make sure he got banned/I was ganged up on by a premade." Riot knows that Solo players are often at a disadvantage against premade groups. But they need solos to fill the gaps if there are 2, 3, or 4 players in the premade. Calling for and announcing reports is, itself, reportable because it only requires 1 for the game to be flagged for review. Additional reports are unnecessary, and that's to both protect solo players and give them a voice if they run into a trolling premade.

Bottom line is, don't be a jerk. Treating people with respect (or at least keeping your frustrations out of chat)-- whether they desrve it or not-- is your best defense against false reports. That's how I've lasted 5+ years with 0 behavioral penalties.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 1:12:10 AM2 votes

Nobody ever got punished for not talking. In fact, they removed Refusal to Communicate from the list of report options.

I can pretty much guarrantee that if you say nothing and use smart pings, the number of report warnings will drop significantly.

FrankerX2/23/2016, 3:03:36 PM2 votes

k i just say "get cancer you gay fuckers" at the beginning of the game. since i didnt say more than 1 line, you cant report me. good system.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 4:45:08 AM1 votes

shrugs Bronze 5 since Season 1. I just don't have the patience to deal with the grind in ranked. I get frustrated and annoyed at people who take it far too seriously. Don't get me wrong, I play to win, I just dislike playing with people who act like it's life-or-death.

It sounds like you're at least aware of your own faults, which instantly puts you above probably 95% of the people who post about bans.

And yeah, if you hear something enough times, it becomes all too easy to believe it.

Out of curiousity, but which game format do you typically play? Ranked does tend to draw out the worst, simply because there's a 'risk' to the player's standing in relation to everyone else. ARAM's and bot games are at the most casual. It could help you get away from some of the negativity you've been running into.

I'm not in game as much as I'd like (uninterrupted time on an acceptable internet connection is kind of a premium for me), but send me an invite some time and maybe we can see what might help.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 5:14:49 AM1 votes

BTW: If I don't answer for a few hours, it's most likely I'm sleeping, in class, or at work.

Krigjer2/23/2016, 6:00:25 PM1 votes

You're trying to dictate how people feel.

'They didn't do this or this, therefore you don't get to be offended and report!'

That's not how it works. Treat your teammates better or suffer the consequences.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 9:27:44 PM1 votes

Yeah, this is also my IGN.

You're right about not really learning stuff from bots, but I was thinking more along the lines of using the easy win to help you reset mentally.

With ARAMs, I happen to like the shorter length and lower drama from other players. You still get the occassional jerk, but my experience has been most players in that format understand you may get champions you have no clue how to play.

AJStarhiker2/23/2016, 8:32:26 PM1 votes

Ok, I think I'm getting a clearer picture. Basically, you're asking to move validation to prereporting, rather than post.

Again: how does that improve the system?

Let's say you have a duo, Troll A and Troll B. They've figured out how many abusive comments it takes to trigger the reports. They pick Target C and take just enough swipes to avoid unlocking the report options. Then, in post game, they unload on Target C. What do you think Target C prefers? 5 seconds to pick an option off a menu, or 30-60 seconds typing out comments while continuing to get harrassed?

I have rarely seen a game where someone trolls pre/post game without something reportable in game, too. That's a big reason solving the technical problems of including pre/post chat has stayed on the backburner priority-wise. It wouldn't add nearly as much as players seem to think.

AJStarhiker2/24/2016, 12:19:35 AM1 votes

Then don't talk. Don't say that you suck (and the logs show you brought it up through the entire game). Think about this: The more time you spend typing in chat, the less time you are actively playing the game. So what if they check your history? They're playing at the same level you are.

RedTao2/24/2016, 1:30:54 AM1 votes

Wont matter if I don't say anything. Even if reports are false, as long as you get a high amount reported against you, it'll keep sending warning popup. Saying nothing creates a negative environment because not communicating with the team is giving a negative experience to that player. As long as someone doesn't like that I suck, they will report for negative behavior. That's the only truth I've seen when I tried not saying anything last time. It's not going to change now. Wont matter now anyways. I'm just waiting for them to permaban me at this point so I can just say F it and go play Blizzards game. They actually give you different skins just for playing the game, not for buying. (This includes different color textures that Riot is trying to get people to buy but Blizzard hands out for free) When that Ban hammer comes down I have no reason to support Riot anymore. They don't care about my opinion. Much like you dont, PDE5 Inhib doesn't and Skadeglädje doesn't. It's easier to criticize than to be constructive after all. And that's been my time at LoL. Nothing bot critisisms, hypocricy and pettiness.