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The Problem is not the Mute Option.

Khazaad·5/25/2017, 8:29:22 AM·4 votes·541 views

Hey so i had a thought the other day (surprising i know): muting doesn't really help, sure you don't have to listen to the ramblings or angry texts of a moody teenager but they are already tilted, so they are already underperforming due to the fact that they spend time and focus on blaming other people and more importantly typing , they get angry and start typing which means their hands and attention is not on the screen/game anymore this causes them to keep making mistakes, getting caught and basically not helping the team. I don't care what my teammates say, i don't usually mute players because i believe that at some random point the can actually make a wise decision and i want to be able to recognize it, and i can mentally block them out, so muting doesn't do anything for me, if you are not able to do this then i fear that you also have some inner issues that needs to be addressed, but i digress. I want the community and maybe Riot to come up with a solution to fix this, it's not "flaming" the problem, it's what happens in the mind of the flamer, it is a tricky subject because we can't really alter how someone will react to a certain stimuli, but i bet riot could hire a sociologist or psychologist or both to analyze the best course of action,** i don't care if someone is flaming i want them focused on the game**, they can trash talk to their hearts content but i want them at least trying to win. Perhaps, if one person from the team mutes you, you immediately get restricted to 5 messages every 2 minutes for the duration of the game? and if 2 mute you then you lose all your chat privilege, and maybe 3 also your pings? the goal would be to take away the source of distraction, no matter how angry someone get's if they can't express it the only thing left to do is either play or feed, in which case the system and the reports would do their job. I do see a problem with premades and just social trolling, i have no problem picturing 2 or more 17 y/o playing league and muting their teammates because they find it funny or it is a "meme" or whatever they say or do nowadays. Let me know what you think about the "Mind/Attitude of the Flamer", if you have any ideas please share them so we can come up with a formal suggestion for riot.

Take care people, enjoy the game and good luck in the ladder.

PS: maybe there could also be a "punishment" for a failed attempt to surrender? such as , if you start a voting and it fails 4 to 1 then you can't start a vote again for the next 10-15 minutes? because another issues is the fact that some people are not mentally resistant enough to withstand a bad early/mid game making them lose in their minds before the game is set, or they believe they are being rational and "saving time" while in reality the game can still be turned, but they stop trying and keep trying to surrender, and in the end their focus and attention gets diverted to the surrender and not trying to overcome a tough game.

PSS: perhaps when the system recognizes a "flamer" his deaths give a little bit less of gold or something? (this might not be doable and i understand any criticism)

21 Comments

YerroFever5/25/2017, 2:41:30 PM3 votes

What it sounds like is you want Riot to make sure that people focus on the game.

Unfortunately, that's not possible. Riot can't force people to stay on task. That's your job. You as their teammate need to get them to refocus.

Additionally, a punishment for failing to surrender is actually a bad idea. Many times I've had surrender votes go up and then we win because the enemy got cocky and threw a team fight that let us win. So should four of us have been punished because one person gave up and still ended with a win? No, that is absurd. Even if it were 3 to 2, it would be absurd. Even if it ended in a loss, everyone keeps playing to win, why should you punish the fighting spirit?

If you haven't read any of the red posts regarding chat restrictions of toxic and frustrated players, you'll know that your suggestion of immediate in game chat restrictions are a bad idea. People get even more frustrated with restricted chat and just up the ante and make their chat more toxic to compensate for not being able to chat as much. If they're funneling that much anger into a few chats, that's counterproductive and actually has the complete opposite effect you want it to have. You get more toxicity and you encourage frustration to be vented otherwise in ping spams, int feeding, leaving a lane open, etc... or throwing a /ff up.

In your scenario, what you have done is created a toxic beast of a teammate that can punish you because you forced them into a toxic system. How can you be punished? You said punish people for not surrendering. You get that under performing person so frustrated that they would /ff and coerce you into surrendering a game that can be saved but you surrender anyway because you fear punishment from the system for not surrendering.

Cooperation and teamwork requires that you adapt to the situation and learn how to be a problem solver. Sometimes you can't solve every problem but you can't expect Riot to go out and solve all of your problems for you. You have to try to help shape the community and stop expecting someone to fix all of your problems for you.

The tools Riot gives you are meant as shields so that you can limit your exposure to that toxic behavior.

You are the only one in game who can actually diffuse a situation and fix a team dynamic problem.

Kei1435/25/2017, 3:22:45 PM3 votes

when flamers realise their typing does nothing, they'll stop typing.

Colgate Gator5/25/2017, 4:20:12 PM2 votes

Well, as far as I know, Riot isn't pro-indoctrination, so brainwashing the toxic brats isn't an option.

SecondAirbane5/25/2017, 9:53:31 AM2 votes

in the middle where u said where people mute to restrict you from chat or pinging can be EASILY abused

so say a 4man or a 3man goes into a game and mutes the other 2 or 1 person(s) the 1 or 2 would get frustrated and tilted off the face of the earth

bad idea imo

Baka Red5/25/2017, 12:53:18 PM2 votes

I don't claim to be a psychologist or anything, but I believe that to untilt someone as a player, you have to do it in a line or couple at most. The tone of the lines must be in general positive, or neutral at worst. Negative lines will make most people just tilt harder. I haven't had to deal with the problem too many times, but I think that lines like "Do you think typing will help us win the match?" or "Do you think flaming/blaming will win us the match?" or "Thank you for your kind words. Now please less talk, more action! We have game to win!" Last one gets most points from me, even though it has a bit... twisted.. undertones in it. The other two just try to make him realize that he is tilted and untilt him that way.

Of course, lines like those might also backfire causing even more tilt, but since he is in tilt already, what do you have to lose? Also, it is usually counterproductive to use more than two or three lines to attempt to calm down the person on tilt. The person attempting the 'calm down maneuver' will instead start wasting time typing too and at worst fall into flaming/blaming himself too. So if couple of lines don't work, it might be time to mute the tilted person.

Btw: I wonder why Riot allows "/mute all" to exist in the first place. Mute should be used at the person causing trouble, not at every person at once. If someone knows the rationale behind it, please let me know. Thanks.

La Belle Sauvage5/25/2017, 4:48:38 PM1 votes

"...riot could hire a sociologist or psychologist or both to analyze the best course of action, i don't care if someone is flaming i want them focused on the game..."

How could either ologist make a concrete suggestion without​ talking to the parties involved. Additionally, they couldn't analyze enough players to base a suggestion on. And the control study would present difficulty as well. Not to mention the money to pay the ologist and the funds to support the study.

RookPusher5/25/2017, 4:23:30 PM1 votes

You're missing some important things here. If a player can just flame into the void, and you aren't affected by it, and the game goes in the right direction then you've done more for them than you can imagine.

The problem isn't flamming. I actually prefer the angry players. The biggest concerns I have is the player that thinks they're right and aren't, or the players who have no concept of what's going on.

scazzman5/25/2017, 4:24:00 PM1 votes

chat restricting players simply for being muted is a HORRIBLE idea. and if i have to explain why, you shouldnt be playing league in the first place

Khazaad5/25/2017, 8:31:44 AM1 votes

i just realized this might not be the correct Board, if anyone has a better idea where it could go i would appreciate it :)