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Honoring reasonably is a player behavior issue.

AhriTentacleToy·11/4/2018, 8:30:43 PM·6 votes·1,314 views

I was 5/1 as Jungle Amumu in my last game and ended 5/4/15 from our team fights failing end game. In this game, I had the following stats. 1st in team damage. 33% more damage to enemy champs than the second highest damage dealt by a team mate. Most mitigation of damage Highest Crowd Control Score 6 to 9 more assists than any team mate.

Guess how many honors I got for being the MVP of that game? Zero. This is pretty typical when I'm clearly ahead on this account or my main.

I don't think the issue is lack of appreciation, but a need to honor those you laned with for bot (unless they do very bad) and a need to honor those you join games with. We can't really address the support/adc honoring dynamic, they are a team. We can address honoring our buddies.

It already isn't recognized as the same as honoring strangers, but people still do it constantly when their buddy is far from the best player or the most helpful. Gotta honor your buddy instead! In my opinion, we need to disable being able to honor people we queue with unless it's one of the following.

a. A 5 man pre made. b. The duo or queued friend has the highest Damage to enemy champs, mitigation, Objective Damage or CC score. This is still 4 areas the friend can shine and the honor can be submitted if they hit just one.

Locking out friend honoring when the friend didn't shine in a single major area would be a major step towards spreading those honors based on how friendly, helpful, cooperative and skilled team mates actually are instead of... sorry MVP, but I play with my friend!

Opinions?

12 Comments

rujitra11/4/2018, 8:33:13 PM9 votes

Honor isn't for who carried or played well, it's for players who behaved greatly in chat, helped the team morale, boosted the team through a tough situation, held the team together, encouraged them... Etc etc

None of your stats matter. I suspect you're so focused on playing well that you likely aren't the most honorable in chat - many players who are stat focused like you tend to also be slightly aggressive or bossy in chat. Maybe if you focus on using chat more to boost team morale you'll find more honors.

Baby Ghoul11/4/2018, 11:33:11 PM3 votes

Honor isn't just chat-based like some people here claim, but you'll also notice that there are no "best stats" or "most damage" labels either. These labels are arbitrary as well because more than damage contributes to a team's win and some aspects of the game that are crucial are not quantified in stats. Some champions, especially supports, don't have their plays front and center or quantified either. That contributes to to whole "supports just get honors" or "the support/adc honoring dynamic" myths.

Furthermore, the honor you receive doesn't have a huge impact, so I don't really understand why people stress about it. Even if you are legitimately trying to climb the honor ladder, you make it there just as fast by honoring people.

Also honoring people you queue with is already basically pointless, if you remove that feature then it doesn't mean you're going to get honors. Some people just don't participate in the system, and that's their choice.

ı Sona ı11/4/2018, 9:57:36 PM2 votes

Sometimes duos are playing together and they like to honor just their friends only! Its just a state of being is all, I don't think they'd change it so that duos can't honor eachother!

Umbral Regent11/4/2018, 10:31:04 PM2 votes

Honoring reasonably is a player behavior issue.

Define "reasonably" - because reasonably can vary from person to person.

I was 5/1 as Jungle Amumu in my last game and ended 5/4/15 from our team fights failing end game. In this game, I had the following stats. 1st in team damage. 33% more damage to enemy champs than the second highest damage dealt by a team mate. Most mitigation of damage Highest Crowd Control Score 6 to 9 more assists than any team mate.

Guess how many honors I got for being the MVP of that game? Zero. This is pretty typical when I'm clearly ahead on this account or my main.

Oh. I see. For you, reasonably is "Honor the person with the best stats"?

Well, hate to break it to you, but nobody's required to Honor you, regardless of whether or not you have good stats.

I don't think the issue is lack of appreciation, but a need to honor those you laned with for bot (unless they do very bad) and a need to honor those you join games with. We can't really address the support/adc honoring dynamic, they are a team. We can address honoring our buddies.

As in, honoring premade teammates? Riot already has that issue addressed. From the Honor FAQ:

Can I game the system and boost to level 5 by constantly playing with a premade and honoring each other every game?

Nice idea. We had it too. So we specifically built Honor so potential exploits like this give you (and your friend) literally no benefit.

Premade Honors confer no benefit to the premades, and on top of that, for those who are Honor Level 3+, it requires two Premade Honors to earn a loading screen flair for the next match, as opposed to one Honor from a random.

It already isn't recognized as the same as honoring strangers, but people still do it constantly when their buddy is far from the best player or the most helpful. Gotta honor your buddy instead!

Oh no, how criminal, a friend Honoring a friend. Also, again; there's no rules to Honoring people. If they don't want to Honor someone based on their stats, they don't have to. You can't force your personal Honor criteria on others.

In my opinion, we need to disable being able to honor people we queue with unless it's one of the following.

a. A 5 man pre made. b. The duo or queued friend has the highest Damage to enemy champs, mitigation, Objective Damage or CC score. This is still 4 areas the friend can shine and the honor can be submitted if they hit just one.

Question; what do stats have to do with Honor? Does damage to champions suddenly make a player Honorable? Is that why Yasuos pad their Champ damage after being toxic...?

Locking out friend honoring when the friend didn't shine in a single major area would be a major step towards spreading those honors based on how friendly, helpful, cooperative and skilled team mates actually are instead of... sorry MVP, but I play with my friend!

I really don't understand this. How would forcing a stat requirement to Honor premade teammates help in any way, shape, or form? If they weren't going to Honor anyone but their premade teammate, and the ability to do so was blocked because of an arbitrary-as-fuck stat gate, then guess what? They'll just skip the Honor ceremony.

mlm olo mlm11/5/2018, 1:22:51 AM1 votes

Let us honor at least our entire team. Enemy team would be icing on the cake.

ez mental boom11/4/2018, 8:37:57 PM1 votes

Never honor 4Head

disregardable11/4/2018, 8:42:49 PM1 votes

Stats are irrelevant to honors. If you want honors, earn them. I'd say only 1/3rd of my supps honor me.