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DOES LEAGUE NOT KNOW HOW TO PUNISH TROLLERS?! Love to read your ideas on this.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS··3 votes·898 views

It seems that TROLLING has become a main expectation for every game you play . Last game just a few minutes ago before we even pick our champions a player on my team says " I m going to ban one of your players " . Upon asking why .. he says " Cause I can t stand you guys" ... note he never met us before.. he then bans my champ and I quit cause I m sick of trolling and I knew he wasn t going to stop there and it would get even worse in the game. This is one example of trolling I ve had to deal with many times in team picks.. but hey that s not as bad as few games before that today this guy goes lux when I was going to lux . I was like " Oh okay , I ll be nice let them support as lux " I didn t take the time to notice that they had picked lux for adc .. WTF!? You serious? Then the rest of the game note I must add he picks ADC items for his build as well ... ultimate troll... anyways the rest of the game he s blaming rest of the team for us throwing the game . At the end of the game we lost of course and reported him as well as the enemy did . I talked to one of the enemy players and they agreed with me TROLLING is getting stupid common to where you know there ll be a troll every game and you just don t want to play league as much as you used to .. why? Well because you know it won t stop because the punishment system is like a slap on the hand .

Here is an article on what league had to say... ^ Prisoner’s Island, matchmaking negative players together, is a tempting, obvious solution to combating poor player behavior, but it’s ultimately just lazy design that only encourages further negativity. As players are exposed to more negative behavior, they just become more likely to quit playing any particular game--up to 320% more likely, in fact. That old saying about everything looking like a nail when all you have is a hammer applies here; low priority queues can work well in one very specific situation, but that doesn’t mean you can extend it to every player behavior problem.

When players know and understand exactly what lands them in the low-priority queue, they also know exactly how to return to unrestricted matchmaking.

We do use low-priority queues in League of Legends with LeaverBuster, a system that recognizes AFKs, leaves, and rage-quits. But even in that situation, as clear-cut as it gets (a player knows when he or she ditched his or her teammates,) we still steer towards reform first.

But if the behavior becomes a pattern, the player is punished with low-priority queues, forced to wait before entering matchmaking.

But what about ranked restrictions? We’ve seen some players concerned that by removing negatively-behaved players from the ranked queue into normal draft, we’re creating a Prisoner’s Island and just calling it something else. The key that makes ranked restriction different is that the overwhelming majority of players in normal draft are still neutral to positive. By slowly and intentionally introducing a very small minority of negatively behaved players and keeping them chat restricted during their path back to ranked play, we don’t disrupt the queue and players can compete in a more relaxed atmosphere as they work to reform.

With both LeaverBuster and ranked restrictions, social pressure acts as a lever, encouraging reform. We’ve found the approach of surrounding bad behavior with good influences tends to lead to the best results for improving the experience and helping the community actively reject negative behavior. Next, Drevarius finishes up the series by addressing how chat restrictions fit into our punishment philosophy.

From this it seems that league expects us to be a good example and put up with the bad behavior and that ll fix the problem. I think its time League steps up their game on this issue it s not working good enough what they are doing .. because in low ranks WHO GIVES A FUCK about punishments you got nothing to lose . I feel you should lose LP if you have more than 3 report you and if you have the enemy team report you on top of your own team you lose all your LP not your rank but all your LP . THAT my friends is how you shut people down on trolling properly. [sg-ahri-1] SO ... what's your ideas on how to punish people trolling cause I m sick of league not doing a good job on handling this and I think they need people who experienced the trolling and who are motivated by that to come up with some legit ideas. And I feel that the punishment becomes less extreme as you rank up cause in the higher ranks trolling isn t as big an issue as in lower ranks cause they have more to lose.... days not playing means they ll lose their edge , people will become distant on their friend list and form other teams without them etc etc... Again though your ideas... show me how smart you guys are and show league some proper punishment ideas.Ekko Below is a poll please feel obligated to reply. Note- when I say bet your ranks high on the no poll part .. I m saying higher ranks have to deal with trolling much less than lower ranks cause they have more to lose.

26 Comments

Kei1432 votes

Off-meta does not always mean trolling.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

Um does if you go mage with ADC gear bud... You wanna off meta you better be sure it works in norms first not ranked.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS2 votes

Wouldn t be surprised the ones that vote no are the trolls

MasterDClone2 votes

You should make your pole just yes or no cause your skewing the answers given

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

HOW.. i gave options and explained my no answer .. it makes sense way it is.

ModPrandine1 votes

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HOW.. i gave options and explained my no answer .. it makes sense way it is.

No it doesn't. It's a biased poll in favor of what you think is the correct solution. On top of that you claim that the people who vote no are trolls or are high ranked, which serves no purpose in the way of getting feedback on your idea. Basically your poll boils down to "you either agree with me or you're a troll" which leaves little room for discussion or feedback. How? In the three yes answers you add onto them "I get trolled in X/10 games" with the no answer having the add-on "I bet your ranks high". It's a clear cut example of both negativity and confirmation bias.

If you truly want good and honest feedback then next time don't make biased polls that are heavily skewed towards what you think is the best answer while also leaving ample room for respectful disagreements and discussions.

At any rate while I do agree that Riot can and should do a better job at catching and detecting trolls the punishment is already harsh with trolls receiving a 14-day ban or a permanent ban for that kind of behavior. Not only that but if they're punished near the end of the season then they lose out on ranked rewards as well (assuming they play ranked which not everyone does). As far as losing LP if 3 people and/or the enemy team reports you all that does is open up the system for abuse by pre-made groups of trolls and salty players to which they can hamper innocent players for not giving them what they want.

Overall I think the current punishments for trolls are fine as they are, with the main thing that needs improving is how well the IFS detects and punishes trolls.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

Nope. I explained that I felt that people that say no are PROBABLY high rank in that they deal with less trolling... I mean if they feel this way they can always leave a comment and explain why they said no... that would be a good idea on their part right?

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

Nope. I explained that I felt that people that say no are PROBABLY high rank in that they deal with less trolling... I mean if they feel this way they can always leave a comment and explain why they said no... that would be a good idea on their part right? Also notice the ( _ ) meaning its what I thought.. Meaning it holds no bar to their answer still ... you simply jumped the gun thinking this ... I BET YOUR RANKS HIGH .. see I SAID ... I BET... meaning you might be .. soooo.. yeah not biased.. but hey thanks for looking out .

ModPrandine1 votes

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Nope. I explained that I felt that people that say no are PROBABLY high rank in that they deal with less trolling... I mean if they feel this way they can always leave a comment and explain why they said no... that would be a good idea on their part right? Also notice the ( _ ) meaning its what I thought.. Meaning it holds no bar to their answer still ... you simply jumped the gun thinking this ... I BET YOUR RANKS HIGH .. see I SAID ... I BET... meaning you might be .. soooo.. yeah not biased.. but hey thanks for looking out .

Let me ask you this though what benefit is there to putting those thoughts in the poll choices? Also, why bother having multiple (and pointless imo) yes choices that also make the assumption that people picking them have been trolled X number of times when one simple yes choice would have done the job of answering your poll much better? It may not have been your intention to make a biased poll but the way you worded the choices makes it come off like one.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

Mmmm nope .. showing the numbers shows how common it is.. trust me buddy I thought this through and it works or people wouldn t answer the polls at all.

SOOM3 votes

You are the only one that thinks that buddy :)

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

No I m not or people wouldn t vote at all .. I mean do people think before they reply? Heheh.

TrulyBland1 votes

People still vote on biased polls even if they know it's biased. Some people do because they like when it's biased in their favour, some vote out of spite when it's biased against them.

Your argument makes absolutely no sense. It's pretty much a picture perfect example of the ad populum fallacy.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Mmmm nope .. showing the numbers shows how common it is.. trust me buddy I thought this through and it works or people wouldn t answer the polls at all.

The specific numbers you chose aren't a be all-end all though, as for all we know someone could be trolled in 1/100 games or whatever and because that's not an option that person wouldn't vote on the poll. See the problem there with having multiple yes answers with a random number of games that you assume people are trolled in instead of just one simple "yes" answer that assumes nothing of the sort? Again it may not have been your intention to make a biased poll but the way you worded the choices makes it come off like one to allot of people (myself included) even if you don't see it as such. Agree to disagree though.

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

If they are trolled 1/100 games lol then their vote wouldn t mater because it doesn t happen enough to be a concern for them. I mean you are really trying to argue this but you aren t winning .

TrulyBland1 votes

showing the numbers shows how common it is

That's your claim of why you put the numbers in there. Now you are saying you only want the opinion of those who actually fit the numbers you want. The only conclusion is: You want the numbers of this poll to go into a certain direction. This isn't even just biased anymore, this is straight up manipulative.

MasterDClone2 votes

yes you did explain your no answer but that doesn't matter because your implying that if i say no i must be a troll or high rank, all im saying is it should just be no because when answering that i was planning to not answer just because im silver. And a poll should not have your reasoning on why to pick each answer that is why there is the text above. FOr next time just have a simple yes or a no because this poll doesnt reflect what players think very effectively

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

I m not implying I m assuming lol. If i was implying I would say you are a troll , instead I said I BET.. please just stop lol. You aren t winning this argument because I m right lol.

MasterDClone1 votes

it's still wrong to assume something from a player just because they disagree with your point of view. All I am saying it that your poll should be impartial regardless of whether or not you agree with said answer.

--Also i don't see how the amount of times one gets trolled has to do with the severity of a trolls punishment.

Secondly this isn't necessarily an argument more just a suggestion to make your next poll impartial because when you look at this poll it doesnt mean anything since you've spun it in a way to make more people vote for you. Agree with this or not , i don't really care but please don't think that your poll is worth anything

Bijeesny1 votes

Remove toxic behaviour as a punishable offense, then implement system similar to OW in CSGO which will review cases like trolling/griefing and cheating Or just leave IFS to handle toxicity, the rest of it goes to OW-like system :D Problem solved

EZGAME VS UNOOBS1 votes

What is IFS.. ? ABBREVIATION for?

Bijeesny1 votes

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What is IFS.. ? ABBREVIATION for?

Instant feedback system aka that riot system which will ban u 4 saying no-no words no matter the context just reserve it 4 toxic behaviour, and implement OW-like system

Ph03n1xb1rd1 votes

To remove some LP from players reported by teammates and enemies is tempting, BUT it can be easily abused. You lost your lane to an enemy, you got salty, and you just report him. And ppl tend to be asshole to be honest, so probably if you didn't even troll, just performed bad, or just even missed a smite on dragon, they will report you. I don't really think it would be totally fair.

Yet I would propose a different kind of "prisoner's island". Temporal bans from PvP games, until you win a given number of PvE. You HAVE to win to get back, so you would not even troll in PvE, and if you cant win an even an 1v5 PvE vs easy bots, you shouldn't even be allowed to play ranked. If you get back to PvP and still troll, you get this punishment again, with more games. For example at max 20 games. BUT if you play like 10 games without trolling, then you are fine, and the first punishment will be low again. (This way if the guy wants to troll ALL his PvP games, he still would have to win 20 PvE games between 2 trollings -> at least 10 times less time spent trolling (assuming he wins all PvEs fast)). This would also help players to learn his champion if he is literellay THAT BAD, that It can be considered trolling. Yet this kind of punishment still needs some kind of automatic check, farm+KDA+damage dealt etc... And the idea from counting reports from ENEMY players is really good, I like it.

But the current way they handle trolls is not viable, lets call it what it is a total bullshit.

Total Atrophy1 votes

Riot trolls harder tho 3 words: Dark Star Jarvan

EZGAME VS UNOOBS2 votes

LOL good one. HEY WHAT BOUT THE SHYVANA SHE SO BROKEN RIGHT NOW lol

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