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Watched Match of Hashhashin vs Adrian Riven, Don't Understand the Hype.

Best Ekko NA·10/25/2018, 6:42:01 PM·13 votes·9,397 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg9NsI5QYxI

Let me say, I've watched Adrian Riven, Viper, Revenge, and Best Riven NA for quite a long time. I don't think that Riven is by any means broken, but these players are absolute monsters at playing Riven... They are some of the best Riven players in the entire world. This is the first time I've ever watched Hashhashin and I'm confused why he would receive a ban for this one game. Does this guy feed like this on a regular basis? Is this one single game what led to his ban? What exactly did he do here that is ban worthy?

I watched most of this game so far, and all I'm seeing is Viktor was put behind by an early invade, loses a trade because he made a mistake while he was trying to fix his hair, and then he was being camped by Graves for half of the game. I'm up to the part where he has 10 deaths, and I've yet to see him do anything that even remotely resembles intentionally feeding. Did the Rioter who made the decision even watch this match?

As someone who also mains Riven, this lane just looks very well played by Riven and Graves. Riven has excellent micro level play with positioning while cs'ing and shields almost all of Viktor's Q's that he hits Riven with. Viktor makes a mistake after Riven buys the first time in not respecting her range and takes a bad trade. Nothing about it looks intentional however as he was trying to use the move speed from his Q to escape (Which more looks like underestimating Riven's gap closing ability). A few seconds later gets caught during his auto animation going for a CS and Riven punishes. That's not a bad play by Viktor, that's an excellent play by the Riven for understanding the correct time to go for the all-in on him.

As someone who plays a lot of games in Silver, I play with players who die as much as (sometimes even more than) this guy on a regular basis. What makes this player so special that he deserves banned, but these people in my games don't? I'm at a loss for comprehending what the deal is here... I'm by no means trying to defend this guy, but at the same time after watching the entire match I also don't see why he would be punished (assuming it's only related to this match in particular).

The only thing I'm learning from watching is, if the enemy Jungler camps you hard enough you're at risk of getting banned...

Is that the moral of this?

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Phoenixdust10/25/2018, 6:57:28 PM10 votes

What exactly did he do here that is ban worthy?

You just said you watched that game. He did THAT game for the ban.

As someone who plays a lot of games in Silver, I play with players who die as much as (sometimes even more than) this guy on a regular basis.

Are you honestly comparing silver games to mid/high dia? Okaaay…. Also, it is almost impossible to die more than 19 times in 30 min. You have to run it down mid, to manage it.

The only thing I'm learning from watching is if the enemy Jungler camps you hard enough you're at risk of getting banned...

Maybe this your silver understanding on what to do. But in reality you can start playing more defensive / if needed he can roam. Also TPing on a lost tower around 8 min was totally intentional feeding, he can not think he can kill Riven and the tower was like 3 AA low HP. He had time to cancel the TP when he saw Riven waiting for him, but NO, he decided to int.

Is that the moral of this?

The moral of the story is to not int.

Automated Riven10/25/2018, 7:59:34 PM8 votes

From my understanding the reason this is a meme at all is because it's hashinshin. He is damn near famous for losing lane and feeding. (not intentionally like running it down) however if he falls behind he just whines and types in chat all games while dying repeatedly. If he deems he is losing based on an ally (every game he loses in his mind) and he runs into his lane and farms completely ignoring everything that happenes in the game while telling twitch chat about how bad his jungler is, how op the opposing laner is, how broken the opponents jungler is. How he got camped and so on. And then types stuff in chat about how every champion barring Jax needs to be gutted.

He is so reliably unreliable that in high elo the game actually does revolve around him. Camp him =freelo because he becomes utterly useless because he spends the rest of the game typing (probably graves's strategy) and if your on his team camping his lane gives you a higher then 0% chance to win if he gets ahead. (if he still does it's your fault cause you never ganked btw)

The part that's specifically funny here is that he had just gotten destroyed by Viktor top and had promised his chat to show them how braindead easy and broken is was. But of course when he lost is was because of an EVEN MORE broken champion. Not cause he messed up or anything.

Vreivai10/25/2018, 8:20:11 PM4 votes

It's simple. A large part of this community hates people that play poorly, and want everyone that does poorly in their game and cause them to lose banned. If you're bad at this game, you are not allowed to play.

Kei14310/25/2018, 7:27:22 PM3 votes

Here is what you need to understand. The diamond players have a much better understanding of the game than us silver plebs.

If they are familiar with their lane, they know much dmg, range and cooldown the enemy has. The normally know the same for their champ (except Hashinshin was 1st timing Victor, so he doesn't know his dmg output and defense capabilities, but he still knows the Riven mechanics, dmg, and range well). They know how fast they can gap close or escape, because their are familiar with the movespeed.

They have excellent map awareness compared to us plebs and can visualize scenarios much better than us. They know the combos and the timings of how to execute those combos.

Diamond players are also much stronger mechanically than us silver plebs. They can dodge skillshots and hit skill shots much more reliably than us silver plebs.

Its much harder for diamond players to die. I would say a scoreline tells a diamond's intent much more than a silver's scoreline.

They can also do things purposely to not look like they are inting, like they knew they can dodge a skill shot if they moved in a certain way, but chooses not to dodge and ends up dying, giving up gold and pressure. Those are things that Riot should be able to see (they can see the player's past habits VS their click locations) that we as silver plebs may not notice.

So is Hashinshin inting? No idea, I haven't seen any videos myself yet. But I certainly won't judge Hashinshin through a silver's lens and expectation.

Xeronic10/26/2018, 7:51:14 AM2 votes

A mix of his game performance and behavior.

He didn’t run it down, but it was clearly obvious that he didn’t care about that game and didn’t even try. He was giving up without going afk, which you can guess is against the rules. Also his chat spam and negative behavior might have something to do with that.

nJacob10/25/2018, 8:37:05 PM2 votes

I've read all the comments that claim his ban was deserved and basically all they say is "he made this bad decision so he's inting". Basically he got banned for bad decision making. Now don't get me wrong, I personally hate Hashinshin because of his "everything I lose against is broken" attitude, but the fact that he got banned for dying too much is just pure bullshit. Yes, he probably didn't take the game too seriously, yes, he died 19 times, but if you really did watch the game you can clearly tell he never intentionally killed himself. Bad positiong and decision making? Sure, but against the best Riven in the world (arguably) and while first timing a champion AND being camped by the enemy jungler. After laning phase he was basically useless and high elo players know how to abuse enemies who are behind. Is it justified that he got banned for playing bad? A lot of people play bad, does that mean if you get to high elo you're risking your account every game? Because if you have a completely trash game you'll get banned? Inting is very different and judging by the posts in this thread it looks like most people here never had an actual inter in their games, it's incredible how people say stuff like "Oh he should've canceled his TP but he tried to defend that tower while behind, that's literally inting". No, it's not.

As always, be it positively or negatively, streamers get judged and treated differently. Imagine the outrage if a famous streamer got some random diamond kid who got shit on by a way better player banned because he lost him the game.

Noor Sakata10/25/2018, 8:31:45 PM1 votes

They unbanned him It's just the automatic system banned him for being with such a score I remember a guy who died 25 times in a match and got banned , he sent a support ticket to Riot and told them he was inting , just got camped and dove all the time , they unbanned him

Alzon10/25/2018, 6:51:41 PM1 votes

No. He was probably banned for something else.

Total Eclipse10/26/2018, 3:52:57 AM1 votes

HE kept going back to farm when it wasnt safe to do so AT ALL. Tower was down and he freaking walked up like it wasnt. I personally think this gameplay SHOULD BE BANNABLE, however, he was clearly not INTENTIONALLY FEEDING, so this is blatantly not against the rules. However I heard that he got unbanned so that's gucci.

DeracadaVenom10/25/2018, 7:06:44 PM1 votes

Im in silver and i am yet to see even an inting person die more than 15 times by 30 minutes

Im trash and my worst game was 2/8/17 as zoe mid