An analogy to help with the Singed Support issue

Glory ln Death·11/16/2016, 8:19:32 PM·52 votes·2,888 views

Imagine that you really like soccer (or football, depending on where you're from). You go to the park most days for a few pick-up games. Sometimes there's even a pick-up tournament on weekends.

One day, you're about to start a game, and the guy who volunteered to play goalie suddenly tells your team that he's actually going to be spending most of the game near the opposite goal, rather than defending yours.

Don't worry, he says. He's played like this a lot, and having an extra person down there is really effective - in fact, he's won most of the games he's tried this.

Is that against the rules? No, as long as he doesn't touch the ball with his hands. Can it work? Sure.

But how does the rest of his team feel knowing that they don't have goalie? Pretty nervous, I'd guess. They're missing an important position and will be extremely disadvantaged on defense. They have no idea how to play around this strategy, and the goalie isn't even giving them a choice - he's going to do it no matter what they say.

That isn't sportsman like conduct. It is rude and disrespectful to your team. If he had been playing with a group of friends who had all played that strategy before, that would be fine. Or if he had asked if the team was OK with him playing like that, there wouldn't be a problem.

But he just forced it on his team, telling them what he was going to do and ignoring any objections.

No one would be cool with that in a "real" sport. Why is that behavior being defended in League?

Respect your team. Don't force unwanted strategies on them when they aren't used to them. Ask, don't tell. Be a part of the team.

63 Comments

Badmagick11/16/2016, 9:52:43 PM11 votes

I've tried explaining it in this way so many times. The best way i can do it is by comparing to real sports. So i hope more people see this because this is the root of the problem that people don't understand.

Vekia11/16/2016, 8:36:20 PM8 votes

Teammates shouldn't be allowed to force a meta on me either.

Kei14311/17/2016, 12:34:39 AM5 votes

an excellent analogy and probably the only one argument that is valid for his ban.

However, if you think about it. Every champ (and enemy champ) changes how to team interacts with each other.

  • When you have a Nunu on your team, you play heavy objective control.
  • When you have a Yasuo / MF / Amumu on your team, you want to play wombo combo (or heavy knock up)
  • When you have a Jayce / Ziggs / Corki / Ashe / Caitlyn / Nidlee, you want to play poke
  • When you have a Shen / Yorick / Trydnamere / Shaco / Teemo, you want to play split push
  • When you have an assassin, you want to play pick

Will the team be hurt if one person decided to play a different style? Probably. But if a champ is REALLY good at what they do (such as Yorick & Trydn in split pushing) why not play towards their strength? If they don't know how to, they can probably learn it (though it can be rather hard to do it on the fly).

Personally, I think that forming new strategies are excellent for the game's growth and this may just be one of those points where a new strat is being formed and people are getting accustomed to it (thus getting alot of back lash)

RivetAce11/16/2016, 8:47:06 PM4 votes

And yet, he consistently wins with the strategy. So why is it bad? If he's winning more than 50% of the time, even with a team that doesn't know what he's doing, imagine how good it could be if they did know! I say keep doing it and maybe it'll become the next meta.

YOU LOST LMAO11/16/2016, 8:23:52 PM3 votes

You: "An analogy to help with the Singed support issue" "jk I'm here fishing for upvotes"

ReadyxPlayerxOne11/16/2016, 8:33:58 PM3 votes

Its not specific to singed. You could make him a tank and he could likely be as effective as volibear if played well. Problem is that most people who choose to do things like this are doing it to troll without consequences.

Drahcir11/17/2016, 12:55:23 AM3 votes

Apparently his Support Singed has a approx 30% winrate.

HazyCloud711/17/2016, 7:59:49 AM3 votes

Always nice to see a post with sound logic and reasoning. Unfortunately the people arguing he should be able to double jungle without his adc's agreement don't any have any of that.

As far as they are concerned you can get assigned to mid lane and just duo top lane. The top laner might not be too happy about sharing cs and exp, and on top of that the enemy mid will probably get first blood tower but hey...you can't tell me how to play right? /s

Seriously, it is totally useless to argue with these people.

Cowseed11/17/2016, 8:39:05 PM2 votes

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh..... I get it now. He didn't ask and did his own thing.

Okay this is a long but simple way of explaining it. Other people use a lot of hyperbole, hypothetical situations and sometimes even bend the truth about some of the games they saw on YouTube but I understand now. But football is somewhat has a higher skill to strategy ratio that league so in a situation where it's random people who don't know each other in soccer you can expect people to actually find some order and work together but in league the same situation could apply if you wanted to play urgot adc but your team gave similar complaints. You are basically saying that if I play Poppy while at least 2 persons say I'm troll picking in 7 out of ten games then I deserve a ban.

I understand what you are saying but every person I will play with will be different. Some will be text book players and abuse all meta tactics to win while others will be willing to take risk and cheese people into oblivion.

ShinkoMinori11/16/2016, 10:08:51 PM2 votes

Goalies are allowed to touch the ball with their hands...

dark100dark10011/17/2016, 2:13:29 PM2 votes

You can do whatever you want if you play with a 5 man team. But if you play with 4 strangers you need to respect others and behave as expected. This is actually the support problem discussed now in these forums that if you do your work, support is quite boring after some time. But as long as rito does not invent anything to fix this you have no other choice.

Btw the guy could also leave the champion select.

theArtifacts11/17/2016, 2:43:16 AM1 votes

But it is against the rules.. he is off-sides.

a special one11/17/2016, 1:10:18 PM1 votes

Yes but it clearly works. It is different but it works and i say it as an AD main, id rather have him with over 50% winrate who knows what he is doing than a noob janna on my team