Advice for not flaming when jungler will not gank losing lane?

AMADEUSdotEXE·4/22/2016, 12:48:07 AM·3 votes·3,802 views

Nothing else really gets me as irritated as this. Its extremely common in Bronze, at least from my perspective .(Not just in MY lanes, others. Sometimes I have to gank FOR THEM. Which is just sad that I have to leave my lane just to do the junglers job because they're too busy camping the lane thats already won by a longshot.) It will occasionally make me start flaming them for being incompetent or whatever comes to mind first. Then i proceed to take thier jungle camps and powerfarm other lanes until they either gank, or i catch up and put them behind. I've taken this advice from people on these boards actually, and i find it a good way to catch up instead of roaming trying to get kills, missing cs, and dying because jg doesnt wanna help. Anyways... Help?

Edit: I'm not really getting everything that's being said, like some of the stuff isnt related that much to not flaming them. I dont know why or really care why this is getting downvotes but I do appreciate the advice anyways so thanks.

29 Comments

Piltover Customs4/22/2016, 12:51:43 AM10 votes

Theory behind not ganking losing lanes from Plat + perspective: Even if you help them get ahead, they are bad and will continue to be bad. Helping winning lanes destroy even more means they can achieve more and possibly further gank. If you get the ADC far enough ahead (and they are the one that is winning to begin with), then they can 1v2 and allow the support to make plays other places.

If the losing lane is losing a 1v1 or 2v2, getting them gold/experience up probably won't help much if they are still a bad player (the reason they lost the lane to begin with)

Too long; didn't read: Losing lanes need to learn how to get carried instead of trying to carry. Flaming helps no one and no reason to do so. Helping winning lanes get further ahead and snowball the rest of the game instead of wasting time trying to recover one lane.

BladeSteel4/22/2016, 12:54:21 AM6 votes

9 times out of 10 you shouldn't gank a losing lane, because you can't trust the laner to be able to follow up on the gank at the proper time. If they don't follow up at the right time the enemy gets a double kill and are even more fed. Its better to gank the lanes that are ahead to get yourself ahead and the lane.

LostFr0st4/22/2016, 12:53:28 AM5 votes

Please read my whole post before responding: It's a waste of resources most of the time to gank the losing lane.
You're often better off to snowball another lane and come back to the losing lane with backup from the one you snowballed later on. This will have a much greater success rate at bringing that lane back.

A jungler gets ahead through either farming or successful ganks; taking a risky one on a losing lane is often counterproductive, especially if it goes sour.

KrushakArrankiss4/22/2016, 1:43:58 AM2 votes

Mute them if you need to. That's what I do. Your best bet is to gank whatever lane IS winning. Any lane that 3/0 or 3 kills ahead should not be ganked or YOU will fall behind to. Now unless, you are me and play Sion as main. I usually do say if bot is losing, I tell the jungler to go around behind dragon(If we're in the upper right corner) or make sure bot lane pinks tri bush if in the lower left corner. So I can charge down lane as Sion and they converge. If you can pick up a few kills for hte losing lane. This is how i got out of B5 when I skipped Season 5. I started to play Sion and started to help gank with the jungler and then TP back. Especially if I am winning my lane/making my lane oppoent go back. Sion has a strong presence. It's also why I like jungle Sion because of the fact he doesn't need to come down rivers to gank. He can come right up the lane and be right in there.

Even though I am only S1, I will guarentee you if you watch any of Pants Are Dragon vids. He says to mute them and do not gank a losing lane. Explain why you are not ganking them and if they throw a fit then mute them. If they are throwing such a fit to tell you go kill yourself, your worthless and etc. Then report them for unsportmanlike conduct and or verbal abuse and move on. I used to be like those who woudl be like OMG JUNGLER YOU SUCK or OMG I WENT 12/0 AND YOU ALL FED YOU ARE ALL WORTHLESS. That's why I backed out of S5 to regather myself and as wlel play other MOBAS.

You just have to try to be more positive and tell them to be. There has been plenty of times where almost all lanes are losing but mine and I tell them we have enough CC to control team fights. We have enough CC to WIN THIS. Just farm and be careful. We started to pick off like top laner who kept pushing to our second turretn and got fed off the gold. You just have to try to be positive and try to crush the negaitivity. Espeically if the support is like OMG OUR ADC IS TRASH. Tell them like that totally makes your lane partner to do better. You know try to tell them they aren't helping the cause. Hope this helps.

Viperjcs19854/22/2016, 1:23:51 AM2 votes

If a lane loses badly, chance are they may not be a good player. The risk for ganking is now two fold, you risk dying and furthering the feed and you risk getting a bad player buffed. It is better to assist winning lanes and get fed yourself / boost them further.

YumScrumptious964/22/2016, 1:29:37 AM2 votes

Losing lanes are losing for a reason, they aren't able to play well. That means the 1 kill or turret you get them as jungler won't help because their opposing laner(s) will still win in the end. Ganking a winning lane will put them even further ahead and capable of carrying. At the point when the opposing laner(s) is/are up by 2 kills its pretty much a lost lane unless multiple members of the team roam to save it. The jungler will not risk dying and giving a double kill because it sets them behind, and puts the lane even more behind. Unless you are very fed like 3/0/2 when you gank, it won't help, hence why junglers don't waste time on losing lanes.

Ada Wong4/22/2016, 1:21:58 AM1 votes

Just don't talk, because most the time it leads to an argument.

1.) Understanding why you are losing. 2.) Knowing your ability's your ally's skills, and its important to note what jungler your team has as well as what champions they are playing.

3.) Counter warding is important to make sure your jungler isn't seen when going in this is the act of making sure vision wards are down and the enemy has no vision in the very least tri-bush at all times so defensive/aggressive plays can be sneak in from behind as well as denying ward in first bush by tower if doing that type of play.

4.) Having a useless support, Siona Support, Annie Support, there are better depending on how your lane is losing for example having a braum, can be useless compared to having a Sona, or Leona, the problem is that (You need to be able to execute a skill/combo within 1 second or less if that.) if you can't do this you need serious training I mean all players in general because this is something that can determine a fight lost or won or enemy escaping etc.

5.) Understanding what skills your enemy has up, do they have flash, ignite, what ultimate they have up etc, there are dozens of examples and lots of lines of text of why I could explain this is super important.

6.) knowing the position of the enemy jungler at the time your jungler helps.

7.) Knowing who your jungler is what they can actually do for example a (Master YI) can go all in) ignore slows for example which means that if a braum is there he pretty much is useless to his mate if half HP and over extended, meanwhile if your (Support is Leona) / Sona and plays it correctly and you follow all this plus enemy is half HP you have a chance of winning the fight, otherwise you need to know what to do when you have other champions like "Sejuani" she is like playing a support, but she isn't going to be able to dive the best tactic around this would be to go something like Katarina, and just go bot lane and combo them at the same time 4 bot lane roam = win every time, heck you can even do little dives / resets with kat or akali if you team knows what they are doing a lot of times I would dive with Katarina at 6 get 2-3 kills and die because my mate doesn't understand that if they stayed within turret range I could E out on to them and live but enemy gets 300 free gold because of that.

But honestly good luck explaining all this to someone in bronze its just never going to win without a big argument / fight your better off putting together a pre-made team of 4-5 players even 3 players is better than 0 who actually know what they are doing.

A really good jungler especially in bronze that personally works a lot for me unless the enemy gets massively ahead, or takes something like Volibear / UDYR (Akali) and (LeeSin) Lee-sin because he can easily just rekt people early/mid game, even counter jungle pretty damn hard I might actually try a new tactic of taking (Teleport / Smite) as a jungler for the purpose of getting to a losing lane faster that is about to die, the problem though they don't always ward so good luck explaining that one too, because half the time people would argue how useless teleport is on a Jungler, or why taking Smite, or Exhaust top is useless.

And personally I disagree with not helping a losing lane, (If your team and players actually have some brains) its better to group or do something early than later but if not then there isn't much a JG can do themselves especially if they have to sit down and type an essay out for the 2 bot players for example to understand anything.

FrankerX4/22/2016, 1:45:10 AM1 votes

dont press enter.

best advice to not flame

FrankerX4/22/2016, 2:59:58 AM1 votes

i once played warwick jungle my top was renekton vs vlad

not even 5 min in the game rene was 0/6 and flamed me for not ganking. so i told him to farm save i gank when im 6 when i came to top he was 0/9, we went in ofc vlad got a doublekill in 2v1 and the rene flamed me even more.

since then i learned never to waste my time with losing lanes. if you cant win your lane without your jungler... go back to bronze.

Communist Toast4/22/2016, 3:10:15 AM1 votes

if you are losing a lane, that means the enemies of course are stronger than you (naturally)

so why would a jungle want to go in against fed enemies? just to die as well? and then you can flame on him for coming?

help the good lanes get better. the losing lanes need to learn to stop fighting the enemy and play it safe if they are losing.

Remember you don't have to win your lane to win, you just can't lose it.

I had a game as jungle recently. our bot was a blitz and ashe I think? but before we even were level 6, they died a combined 6-7 times. Blitz was flaming me hard about never coming to gank his lane. saying I needed to "learn to jungle"

Icestar11864/22/2016, 3:11:38 AM1 votes

Don't press enter?

Realistically, roaming to another lane isn't an unreasonable thing to do. Any midlane assassin and some supports, mages, and toplaners do it on a regular basis.

Guyy Fieri4/22/2016, 3:12:50 AM1 votes

Junglers aren't supposed to gank a losing lane you know that right? The only solution is for the person losing lane to not lose lane. If you want to play ranked, you should be able to win lane (or at least go even) with your lane opponent in any situation (bad champ matchup, getting camped, etc).