Help: I've tried a lot of stuff over the years, but it seems like I still can't solve this flaw

HalcyonDweller·Jan 29, 2018·10 votes·1,306 views

I've managed to deal with pretty much all other forms of toxicity in my habits. I stopped raging at teammates who flame anyone else on the team (this was from several years ago). I've avoided receiving punishments, and I've learned how to be kind to teammates. Heck I even try to help spread what I've learned here, by sharing techniques for communication and leadership so that people who have received chat restrictions or bans get an opportunity to learn a better way than flaming.

But this one fucking thing I can't seem to get over. When my opponents pick a strategy that I perceive to be anti-fun, my vision goes red. I talk mountains of shit. And I piss off my friends in voice comms.

I'm talking about things like:

Playstyles that involve not playing the same game as everyone else (Singed, Blue Ezreal, Illaoi - more that she forces you to play dodge the hentai for 20 fucking seconds if she succeeds with Test of Spirit)
Harass-heavy ranged top laners (Karthus, Karma, Gnar and Vayne)
Champions that can erase your entire power-fantasy (Yasuo Wind Wall) or can even erase the counterplay to one of their teammates with one button (Morgana Shield)
Champions that can do absurd amounts of damage (or other effects) with little to no effort - champs with really high agency (Illaoi Ult, Bard Poke this preseason, Twitch Ult, Zoe's Sleep and Paddle-Star, Lee Sin, Nasus since rework, etc.)

And I end up saying things like, "What kind of skumbag does ___ to their opponents?"

So here's my plea, help me out:

What do you do when your opponents are playing stuff that is frustrating to deal with? How do you deal with it so that you don't tilt and spread your tilt to others around you?

48 Comments

redniwediSJan 29, 20187 votes

To me tilt is all about expectations. The most tilting thing in this game for me is when I expect a matchup to be easy for me, but then something unexpected happens (jungle camp, enemy is not at my skill level, I'm playing poorly that day) and everything just goes to shit. We all tilt over different things, but this is what gets me.

I don't know how you'd work on this, but I've found that I can put off most of the frustration and annoyance until the end of the game. I just go through the motions and play by the book, which isn't the best but helps avoid the poor decision making that comes with tilt a little bit, and when the match is over I immediately take a step back and go do something else for a little while. If I can clear my head and give myself time to deal with those negative emotions I can reliably avoid bringing them into the next game. Even just going to make a sandwich or hot beverage is enough time, I just need to do something that takes my focus off of the game that just happened.

That's not to say I won't tilt in the next game, because while I can play without the effects of tilt after short break I know I have a much shorter fuse the second time around, but I'll play my most reliable champion and try to match my expectations as best I can.

I guess my advice isn't about preventing tilt, because that's the million dollar problem, it's to give yourself whatever time you need to not bring it to your next game. You could try to change your expectations, but that's easier said than done and I wish you the absolute best if you go this route.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20183 votes

Thanks for this, it makes a lot of sense what you said about expectations. I think that's a big part of it for me, I expect the game to be fun, and losing can be fun as long as I still feel like I have some agency about something, but some situations just don't provide that, and it's when that happens that I tilt off the face of the earth.

Even when I'm winning games though, it's super frustrating to show up to lane expecting a fun exchange of trading, farming, and general top-lane tomfoolery. But when it's a Proxy Singed or a Karthus who constantly pokes me with Q (just like that cowboy from the old-western who shot the floor and said, "dance!" That completely violates the expectation I had for a fun game.

For the most part I am able to put it off until post-game, but post-game lobby is always where I have the most trouble. People call us "ez" and try to get in that one last dig to try to piss us off even more. Maybe I should just try to leave post-game lobby immediately instead.

It helps when I have all-chat disabled. Sometimes I re-enable it because I hear my friends laughing about some silly banter between the teams and I don't want to miss out. But then it's enabled and the next time an opponent violates expectations or trash talks my friends I have nothing holding me back. Conclusion for this: I should just keep all-chat disabled at all times regardless of entertaining banter.

Side note: Thanks to what you said about expectations, I think I've finally figured out why "ez" bothers me so much. It's because I expect a fun game where I have agency even if I lose, and when games snowball like that and an opponent calls it "ez" it just rubs it in that I had no agency that game.

redniwediSJan 29, 20181 votes

I think I'm particularly lucky in this case, because I found a champion to one trick very early. I started playing Garen back in season 1, and have been playing him pretty much non-stop ever since. He has had seasons where he was pretty darn weak, but I played him anyway and expected each lane to be difficult or unwinnable. I learned a lot from those games, and I now know how to squeeze a victory from a stalemated lane.

Not sure if challenges motivate you at all, but if it works try and go into those unfun matchups with the goal of a stalemate, where neither of you clearly win, and focus only on growing a CS advantage for the mid game.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

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I think I'm particularly lucky in this case, because I found a champion to one trick very early. I started playing Garen back in season 1, and have been playing him pretty much non-stop ever since. He has had seasons where he was pretty darn weak, but I played him anyway and expected each lane to be difficult or unwinnable. I learned a lot from those games, and I now know how to squeeze a victory from a stalemated lane.

Oooohhhh >:O Garen!

I'm joking, not actually mad.

Garen is my bane. I like to play Wukong, who's defense relies entirely on being tricky. Garen never cares about tricks, he just Q -> E's me and doesn't even have to see me to damage me. The worst part about it is that after Garen presses E, stealth can't help me anymore because he can just see which way I go by the ghosty-cloud that appears whenever I take damage.

Not sure if challenges motivate you at all, but if it works try and go into those unfun matchups with the goal of a stalemate, where neither of you clearly win, and focus only on growing a CS advantage for the mid game.

Yeah, I do this a lot, it helps that I've watched SoloRenektonOnly on youtube for years, so I know a lot of the tricks for forcing that stalemate and growing an advantage. Most of the time it works, but it does feel pretty bad when bot lane inevitably snowballs and I didn't get to have agency over the game because I was stuck all laning phase having no impact :<

redniwediSJan 29, 20181 votes

Wukong used to be an absolute menace, but his early damage just doesn't seem to be there anymore. Thunderlords kept that matchup solidly in his favor and just doesn't do the trick right now. That and Garen has been a lot harder for him ever since the Juggernaut update (holy crap that happened in season 5).

I'd offer advice, but I literally don't see Wukong anymore so I have no idea what Wukong players do in that matchup.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

Thanks lol, it's mostly just accept the beating, try to stalemate it, and then all-in with the jungler's help. It's so rare that you can trick a Garen player as Wukong that Wukong basically has no defensive tools against him.

No need for advice, I already know what to do for the most part, I just buy Tiamat and try to use my W to absorb the Garen Qs.

I sometimes get the satisfaction of making him run past me with his Q because he thinks I'm the clone... ;D But that only works once every 5 or so times.

Telephone BoothJan 30, 20181 votes

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Wukong used to be an absolute menace, but his early damage just doesn't seem to be there anymore. Thunderlords kept that matchup solidly in his favor and just doesn't do the trick right now. That and Garen has been a lot harder for him ever since the Juggernaut update (holy crap that happened in season 5).

I'd offer advice, but I literally don't see Wukong anymore so I have no idea what Wukong players do in that matchup.

Oh I just realized your name is sidewinder backwards. Are you sidewinder on steam? Play awesomenauts at all?

redniwediSJan 30, 20181 votes

I haven't used Sidewinder for a very long time. Someone had it on some game back in the day, so I just reversed it, and have used it backward ever since. I have played Awesomenauts, but not within the last year, and not with the name Sidewinder.

Telephone BoothJan 30, 20181 votes

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I haven't used Sidewinder for a very long time. Someone had it on some game back in the day, so I just reversed it, and have used it backward ever since. I have played Awesomenauts, but not within the last year, and not with the name Sidewinder.

Ahh okay there was a really good raelynn main I used to play with named sidewinder.

ModThe DjinnJan 29, 20183 votes

What do you do when your opponents are playing stuff that is frustrating to deal with?

Roam. Lane swap. Farm for late-game. Avoid fights. And, at the end of the day, accept that not every lane or every game is winnable and set my new goals accordingly. It's surprising how much fun can be had by taking a game with a Proxy Singed and turning it into "how hard can we push mid lane" or "ALWAYS TOWER DIVE." Often those strategies can even work.

The long and short of it is that everyone is frustrated by some subset of champions, and it's infuriating to play against the one or two things that really bother you. So just set your in-game goals on sights other than necessarily winning the lane or trade, and seek out your fun in unconventional ways.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20182 votes

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Roam. Lane swap. Farm for late-game. Avoid fights. And, at the end of the day, accept that not every lane or every game is winnable and set my new goals accordingly. It's surprising how much fun can be had by taking a game with a Proxy Singed and turning it into "how hard can we push mid lane" or "ALWAYS TOWER DIVE." Often those strategies can even work.

The long and short of it is that everyone is frustrated by some subset of champions, and it's infuriating to play against the one or two things that really bother you. So just set your in-game goals on sights other than necessarily winning the lane or trade, and seek out your fun in unconventional ways.

I see, so in altering my strategies and goals in addition to the expectations discussed by Sidewinder, I can find the fun by seeking it out in terms other than 'the lane matchup.' Am I understanding your suggestions fully?

Edit: Thank you!

ModThe DjinnJan 29, 20183 votes

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I see, so in altering my strategies and goals in addition to the expectations discussed by Sidewinder, I can find the fun by seeking it out in terms other than 'the lane matchup.' Am I understanding your suggestions fully?

Edit: Thank you!

You've got it! Sometimes a game is just super bad, and you have to set your goals on something as simple as "kill the Malphite" or "keep my jungle well warded."

Remember, 50% of League games are going to be less fun then the other half. One out of every 10 games, statistically, is in your least fun 10% of games ever. The trick is to find ways to make those experiences more enjoyable, whether it be by setting new objectives or merely seeking personal Improvement.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

Okay, I'm glad I understood you then :) I can definitely see how setting my own objectives can be used to make otherwise un-fun games more enjoyable.

Haha that statistic is funny, and a good thing to keep in mind!

I'll try some goals like, "keep my jungle entrances warded, watch the map for MIAs I can warn allies about, successfully secure every last hit that I can conceivably get safely, and watch for opportunities to make plays for other objectives - losing my tower would be a blessing if we trade it for something more useful."

Thanks again for your advice :) I appreciate you contributing to this thread!

MordiusJan 29, 20182 votes

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What do you do when your opponents are playing stuff that is frustrating to deal with? How do you deal with it so that you don't tilt and spread your tilt to others around you?

I'd suggest reviewing youtube videos of higher elo players and observe how they deal with these champs

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

I'll do that, thank you. Do you have any tips to give me a head-start on how to look / what search terms are more effective?

Dokueki KenshinJan 29, 20182 votes

Friend, I feel you. I think my most annoying run ins this past season/preseason were with Vayne, MF, and Annie all in the top lane. These are things that I personally feel SHOULD NOT be viable in top lane in any respect, and they can easily make my blood boil because I feel like I’m immediately on the back foot.

My best practice is to understand that, in those lanes, my goal is NOT to win lane. I have to accept the fact that I will likely lose lane and lose tower. What I focus on instead is trying to farm as well and as safely as I can, trying not to get zoned out of experience, and trying to plan where else on the map you can exert your influence and start planning for the mid game, easily the most important phase of the game right now. You won’t always win those kinds of games, but you don’t end up feeling utterly helpless or like you’re a burden to your team.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

I think that's where I failed in the game where I last experienced this. I stopped paying attention to the map and I tunnel visioned on doing the things I needed to do to win lane. I ended up winning(ish) lane but losing the game because I was too tilted to pay attention and make plays elsewhere on the map when I should have.

I'll try and be more aware of that next time. Thanks!

Butt ΡlugJan 29, 20182 votes

What do you do when your opponents are playing stuff that is frustrating to deal with? How do you deal with it so that you don't tilt and spread your tilt to others around you?

Take it as a way to improve and learn more about those matchups, eventually you'll be able to win ! Loosing isn't a big deal it's even better than winning if you really want to practice, review your replays, understand what you could have done better in this situation. Learn good counterpicks, Repeat :)

Every champion has powerspikes, moments/situations where you can or cannot fight him and so on, but every champion has his weakness too Illaoi is weak when not near her tentacles, zoe is way too predictable when she use ult so you can cc+burst her as quick as she can burst you, same for twitch, nasus is pretty weak early you need to deny him as much cs as possible, forcing him to stay back is the only way to win you really don't want him to get his stacks, play aggressive early and buy an item with QSS propriety mid/late game to escape his wither.

You just need to practice a lot against them, recognize when they reach powerspikes and where you can fight them or not. You'll always have to adapt your play style to their champions, sometimes you need to be more passive and farm it up, sometimes you just need to be extremely aggressive or he'll out-scale you.

Anyway always take a lose against an hard matchup as a way to improve next time you're in a similar situation :)

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

Thank you for the advice :) I'll definitely take it in stride, on the gameplay side of things I do most of that already, except maybe watching my replays (I should start doing that). Your advice is sound and it will certainly help on the gameplay side of things, but I'm also looking for more than that.

What I've been seeking here is a way to mitigate tilt and have fun despite playing against something that I consider anti-fun, or at the least some way to deal with my red vision when I face that sort of thing.

CØulrophobiaJan 29, 20182 votes

/mute all

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20182 votes

While helpful in dealing with trash-talkers, it does not help when I am facing anti-fun strategies and builds. Thank you for suggesting that though!

LongtowelJan 30, 20182 votes

I hate Illaoi as well. I certainly feel what you feel.

I never rage and flame or get toxic in any of my games, and I rarely get bad tilts, but going against Illaoi is just painful.

A few things you could do and this has help me at least, either ban the champions that irritate you the most, or just buy the champion and play a crap ton of it.

First, you learn a lot about the champion and understand better what it is that makes this champion so annyoing and how other players deal with you.

Second, you get to enjoy being a total dipshit.

HalcyonDwellerJan 30, 20181 votes

Practicing the champions to better learn how to counter them is a great suggestion, thanks!

greekvandaLJan 29, 20181 votes

Flame them. Yeah i do that legit every single adc player. Every single enchanter player. Wont even say i regret it too.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20186 votes

That is not a solution. Having this reaction is a flaw and I want to find a way to overcome it.

greekvandaLJan 29, 20181 votes

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That is not a solution. Having this reaction is a flaw and I want to find a way to overcome it.

It isnt a flaw. In your real life is someone is beeing annoying to you are you going to put up with it fuck no. The thing is in a game you can't do anything about it so either ignore it or do what i do on your own account. I flame yeh and ik what the punishment is if i overdo it.

redniwediSJan 29, 20189 votes

Having a temper tantrum over someone being annoying is not a healthy response for anyone over the age of 5. The problem here is that many actually healthy responses for dealing with that situation IRL don't correctly apply to an online game.

abca98Jan 29, 20181 votes

I just shut up and focus 150%. It's tiring, it's annoying and I don't like doing it, but I know I have to do it if I want to win, so I do it anyway.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

I do that, but it's not fun. This game is supposed to be fun. People who play those obnoxious strategies take all the fun out of the game for me.

Jo0oJan 29, 20181 votes

I don't have a good answer, other than to play harder and win in spite of their bullshit =P

And yeah, I hear you on Illaoi. The combination of being forced to play a minigame when she hits Test of Spirit, then still killing you with her ult even when you've outplayed her other abilities, is incredibly tilting.

Edit: pronouns O.o

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

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I don't have a good answer, other than to play harder and win in spite of their bullshit =P

Oh absolutely, I usually do just that and play harder. It's just when people rub it in that I have no agency that I really lose it.

And yeah, I hear you on Illaoi. The combination of being forced to play a minigame when he hits Test of Spirit, then still killing you with her ult even when you've outplayed her other abilities, is incredibly tilting.

Exactly! Had a game where it felt like we did everything right. Illaoi would split push and we would collapse on her correctly and everything. I'd jump on her to initiate for my team and we would get her really low! All of a sudden I see her leap, and I get smashed by a circle of tentacles around me and ALL of my HP is gone in that one strike, and worse yet - all of her HP is suddenly back. She proceeds to 1v4 us and wins, killing or forcing back everybody. It's so fucking bullshit.

usul1202Jan 29, 20181 votes

So, not relevant to any of your other stuff, but worth a mention. If you don't kill the tentacle that illois E spawns, you don't have to do shit. They only slam on spawn, and then her W and R. If you kill it, another spawns and slams, but leave it alone and kill it after and you're fine.

Kei143Jan 29, 20181 votes

warning: gameplay advice coming from only a silver4 player

Typically if you are having trouble with counterplay issues, then the only solution is to get better at the game. Judging from your OP.gg you probably are around the Silver5 MMR or so, which means my game knowledge should be around the same as yours, so be cautious when taking my advice.

Vayne VS Caitlyn match up should heavily favor Caitlyn as she out ranges Vayne alot. However, people around our ELO don't really know how to use trading stance, so Vayne gets away from getting unpunished many of the times. Many also don't know how to end games when ahead, which means that it gives time for Vayne to scale and steamroll them, even if they DID punish her in the laning phase.

These people then come here and complain that Vayne is OP, but that is because her weakness is not being abused.

It's probably the same case for the enemies that you don't know how to go against and that causes you frustration. Now I'm a support (Zyra) main, so I won't know as much about top vs top or JG vs top match ups as well as you, but you can try to look up how the higher tier players play against such a match up, maybe even go as far as watching the OneTricks do their stuff. Go to twitch.tv or youtube.com and look up "WuKong VS Singed" or something like that and watch how they move, pay attention to their build order, their pathing, their timing on using skills or how they go in.

Keep in mind I'm a self claimed creative support and I try to think of ways to play against my enemies (at my level, cos my mechanics suck). I've played every champ for at least 10 times, and kind of know what each champ does and what I perceive to be their strengths/weakness. From that, I attempt form my own counters with my deep creative champion pool. Infact, I get an extra kick out of thinking of ways to try to counter them, so I really don't share your frustration.

Then again, people get away with alot of stuff at our ELO cos we are just bad at the game. Anyone with slightly better gameplay knowledge will steamroll me. But the end of the day, if you know how to deal with them, then you'll be less frustrated, as you'll know "this will be the outcome of my matchup."

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

With regards to your warning, rank is meaningless. I appreciate your advice as much as I would appreciate advice from a high-ranked-player. Your advice also happens to be well written and well thought-out, while some higher rank players would simply write things like "/muteall" and leave the thread without imparting any actual advice anyways.

Good point about trading stance, I'll have to go read up on that and see if I'm incorporating it into my play yet.

Good idea to look up high skill players and how they play those matchups.

I played similarly to you for a long time, having that game knowledge about how every champion works can be really good for out-playing them. Props for using such a smart trick!

I'll take what you've suggested into consideration while I try to deal with this problem. Thanks for contributing!

Kei143Jan 29, 20181 votes

Just to let you know the extent of my creativity, I used to run old Urgot in support against assassin / burst comps.

I did this one game where they have a Panth top, Zed mid, Khasix in Jg, Jhin bot and blitz support. Lane phase they were dominating, but in mid game, they couldn't do anything.

Of course that was one of those games that I did so much to protect my whole team but no one knows why I went Urgot support. Infact, they just kept calling me a troll.

Side question for you, do you know why Urgot (tank build w/ Face of Mountain, Aegis, Redemption, Ruby SS, Knight's Vow, and Black Cleaver) support works against that comp?

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

I love playing off meta!

Wait do you mean you did that game with old Urgot or new Urgot?

I believe it when you say you did a lot to protect teammates, especially if it was old Urgot. His passive was awesome for reducing enemy spell damage in addition to auto-attack damage.

I have no idea why new Urgot would though, so if you know something I don't then please share!

Kei143Jan 29, 20181 votes

It was indeed old Urgot, and it is indeed his passive at work so they can't burst my team down.

So you pass when I test you in champ knowledge :)

On the note against Illaoi, if you can tank her, she won't be able to kill that spirit and it won't proc. If they are bad and just hit the spirit (and not you) then you can punish her and trade on her. You can also kill her other tentacles so they don't slam your spirit. WK is pretty good at that with AA-Q combo. When she has no zone, she is pretty weak. I also wonder the interaction will be if she grabs your clone and destroys the clone's spirit. You probably can dodge some dmg as well by cloning at the time when multiple tentacles slam you.

Against a proxy singed, just push hard enough so his minions don't crash. AoE stuff like tiamat / sunfire helps. Life steal / health regeneration is good too, so maybe adjust your runes to do that.

HalcyonDwellerJan 29, 20181 votes

Haha thanks! I must say that Old Urgot was pretty cool, even if it was unclear about its power and impact. It's a shame that people accused you of trolling, they didn't know how wrong they were >:)

Side note: that armor shred on old Corrosive Charge was really good when paired with a marksman as well.

Kei143Jan 29, 20181 votes

did a bunch of edits while you typed that, check those out as well. Not sure if it will help or not.

Plus people Call my off-meta picks troll all the time. Normally I just prove them wrong ingame. I mean ... I would zyra jungle even before her recent 7.24 changes.

HalcyonDwellerJan 30, 20181 votes

The edits helped! You must have been looking at my match history for Wukong vs Illaoi, that game I was actually jungle though and so I couldn't really babysit top lane :/

I do appreciate that advice, and I'm going to try your suggestions the next time I play against Illaoi or Singed.

Kei143Jan 30, 20181 votes

Most bruisers have a AA-cancel skill, which is good against Illaoi's tentacles. The generic way of trying to fight Illaoi is the same, which is to get her out of her zone.

If you are mechanically strong, then you juke out her tentacle slaps and fight in her zone. Champs with a displacement skill (knock back or knock up) like Maokai Q or Vi Q can knock her out of her W animation, nullifying one of the potential slaps. So make sure you save your displacement for when she leaps in to hammer slam you.

Also, becareful not to stand in the same slap line as your spirit, that would just cause you to take extra 15%-50% dmg on that slap (and heals her double as well).

Illaoi is pretty gated by mana, so if she isn't getting full value out of her slaps, it's a small win for you.

As to how to fight Vayne ... you should just play as a melee support here and there to experience it. Trading stance is your friend against her and you might need to play some mind games with how she uses tumble. Second wind and Dorans shield is pretty good as well, and you have way more agency in top lane than support :P

HalcyonDwellerJan 30, 20181 votes

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Most bruisers have a AA-cancel skill, which is good against Illaoi's tentacles. The generic way of trying to fight Illaoi is the same, which is to get her out of her zone.

Aye, I need to remember this more. It's hard though when I want to gank her, it's almost like you can't gank her because if she's in her zone then she can just mess you up hard. Gonna have to time my visits to lane based on if she's ahead of my laner as well as if she's out of lane for us to clear tentacles to set up the gank.

If you are mechanically strong, then you juke out her tentacle slaps and fight in her zone. Champs with a displacement skill (knock back or knock up) like Maokai Q or Vi Q can knock her out of her W animation, nullifying one of the potential slaps. So make sure you save your displacement for when she leaps in to hammer slam you.

Holy shit dude you just changed my life XD I've done this with Vi vs Riven, but I never thought to do it with Maokai Q or to do it against Illaoi! I kind of can't wait to try this out next time I play.

Also, becareful not to stand in the same slap line as your spirit, that would just cause you to take extra 15%-50% dmg on that slap (and heals her double as well).

That's a great suggestion, i think I sometimes do avoid being in that line but I haven't been paying too much attention to it. I'll keep that in mind when fighting her next time.

Illaoi is pretty gated by mana, so if she isn't getting full value out of her slaps, it's a small win for you.

As to how to fight Vayne ... you should just play as a melee support here and there to experience it. Trading stance is your friend against her and you might need to play some mind games with how she uses tumble. Second wind and Dorans shield is pretty good as well, and you have way more agency in top lane than support :P

Yeah, that game I was Toplane Taric against Karthus I bought Doran's Shield and Spectre's Cowl. He was pretty pissed about my sustain and I denied him at least two kills on me in lane simply by healing and shielding myself after disengaging from fights. I can't remember if I took second wind, but I'll make sure to use it for sure the next time I'm against heavy harass.

Also: These comments of yours are why I don't put much stock in people's rank. You've got a lot of in-depth game knowledge and wisdom to share. And your level of thinking and analysis is something that higher ranked players don't have exclusive claim to. Props dude, you think smarter and better than some of the people who have higher ranks and claim to know what they are talking about.

Knowing what you are talking about is not precluded by having high rank. being silver or unranked while also having this level of knowledge should be a badge of honor.

Kei143Jan 31, 20182 votes

ahaha, having the knowledge is one thing, executing on it is another. That's why I'm still in silver.

My mind is telling me no~ But ma bodehhhhhhh~

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

HalcyonDwellerJan 31, 20181 votes

lol I'm with ya there XD

I still greed for farm even when I know it's not safe to overstay. Q_Q

Telephone BoothJan 30, 20181 votes

Hmm.. I've never thought of anything like that. Basically, my mindset is, they're all in the game, they all have weaknesses and reasons to be in the game. They aren't straight up OP, or else it wouldn't be in the game.

So there must be counterplay, there must be weaknesses attached to their strengths.

I am anivia mid main, I deal with yasuos ALL the time. I HATE the windwall... but I guess I tend to look inward. I think of it as, it's my fault for not predicting the windwall, moving to the side and shooting around it. I tend to try to predict the wall, bait it out. It's just another part of the game now. No reason to get mad about it.

It's your fault (my fault) for not knowing how to play around it and yasuo has incredible weaknesses to make up for the BS windwall lol. So I feel like a baby if I get upset about it.

I don't know if this helps at all... you seem to think that what you perceive as anti-fun, is a direct decision made by the player to use it so that you don't have fun. Idk, maybe some people do, but they are all available champs, made by Riot, why would I not play it just because it's gonna piss some players off? Its a part of the game. If parts of the game piss you off, it's still your decision to play the game... anti fun, and all. So get mad at yourself.

HalcyonDwellerJan 30, 20181 votes

Everything you've said here rubbed me the wrong way, but you made some good points in the last paragraph so I want to address that first.

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I don't know if this helps at all... you seem to think that what you perceive as anti-fun, is a direct decision made by the player to use it so that you don't have fun. Idk, maybe some people do, but they are all available champs, made by Riot, why would I not play it just because it's gonna piss some players off? Its a part of the game. If parts of the game piss you off, it's still your decision to play the game... anti fun, and all. So get mad at yourself.

Indeed, most of the time people aren't picking something just to ruin the game for somebody else. It does happen sometimes, but it's extremely rare. I still take it personally at times, primarily when I feel like I have lost agency over my own gameplay. I'll reiterate - I'm fine with losing the game as long as I still have agency in what I do. Being unable to do something that - by all rights - I should be able to do, simply because of a mechanic that feels unfair is extremely anti-fun for me. This applies to specific abilities as well as to gameplay such as simply playing out the laning phase or even just teamfighting normally.

And I said it already in the original post, this is a problem with me and how I deal with such frustrating experiences. Telling me I should be mad at myself is not helpful, as getting mad at myself is still tilt and I'm trying to find ways to mitigate that. I'm well aware that the source of the problem is me. That is why I made a post asking for advice in the first place.

Hmm.. I've never thought of anything like that. Basically, my mindset is, they're all in the game, they all have weaknesses and reasons to be in the game. They aren't straight up OP, or else it wouldn't be in the game.

So there must be counterplay, there must be weaknesses attached to their strengths.

I am anivia mid main, I deal with yasuos ALL the time. I HATE the windwall... but I guess I tend to look inward. I think of it as, it's my fault for not predicting the windwall, moving to the side and shooting around it. I tend to try to predict the wall, bait it out. It's just another part of the game now. No reason to get mad about it.

It's your fault (my fault) for not knowing how to play around it and yasuo has incredible weaknesses to make up for the BS windwall lol. So I feel like a baby if I get upset about it.

Now for the rest of it. You assumed that I think the champions listed are overpowered or uncounterable. This is not what I think.

For example, I'm well aware of Yasuo's numerous weaknesses. I just don't find it fun when my character - who has a power fantasy represented by a particular long-cooldown ability - gets that power fantasy completely ruined and left unfulfilled because of a basic ability that Yasuo could even aim in the wrong direction and still get away scot-free.

Not all counterplay is equal, and abilities and their counterplay should both be compelling and fun for players to interact with. Taking away another player's power fantasy completely is not good gameplay. But this thread isn't supposed to be about game design nor what is or is not fair, so regardless of your response I won't be discussing that here any further.

You keep talking about yourself but it's really clear that you're projecting onto me because you're comparing our situation and then describing what you think of yourself when you go through the same experiences as me.

Your entire comment comes across as extremely condescending, reiterating a point that I already made in making the original post - "That the problem is with me." And because of this, your comment is not approachable, persuasive, or helpful with regards to the thread's main purpose.

If you're here to offer advice regarding the actual point of the thread then by all means, proceed. But if you're only here to exert superiority and twirl your tail-feathers then please go away. That sort of thing is unhelpful, unimpressive, and borderline derailing to the thread.

Telephone BoothJan 30, 20181 votes

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Everything you've said here rubbed me the wrong way, but you made some good points in the last paragraph so I want to address that first.

Indeed, most of the time people aren't picking something just to ruin the game for somebody else. It does happen sometimes, but it's extremely rare. I still take it personally at times, primarily when I feel like I have lost agency over my own gameplay. I'll reiterate - I'm fine with losing the game as long as I still have agency in what I do. Being unable to do something that - by all rights - I should be able to do, simply because of a mechanic that feels unfair is extremely anti-fun for me. This applies to specific abilities as well as to gameplay such as simply playing out the laning phase or even just teamfighting normally.

And I said it already in the original post, this is a problem with me and how I deal with such frustrating experiences. Telling me I should be mad at myself is not helpful, as getting mad at myself is still tilt and I'm trying to find ways to mitigate that. I'm well aware that the source of the problem is me. That is why I made a post asking for advice in the first place.

Now for the rest of it. You assumed that I think the champions listed are overpowered or uncounterable. This is not what I think.

For example, I'm well aware of Yasuo's numerous weaknesses. I just don't find it fun when my character - who has a power fantasy represented by a particular long-cooldown ability - gets that power fantasy completely ruined and left unfulfilled because of a basic ability that Yasuo could even aim in the wrong direction and still get away scot-free.

Not all counterplay is equal, and abilities and their counterplay should both be compelling and fun for players to interact with. Taking away another player's power fantasy completely is not good gameplay. But this thread isn't supposed to be about game design nor what is or is not fair, so regardless of your response I won't be discussing that here any further.

You keep talking about yourself but it's really clear that you're projecting onto me because you're comparing our situation and then describing what you think of yourself when you go through the same experiences as me.

Your entire comment comes across as extremely condescending, reiterating a point that I already made in making the original post - "That the problem is with me." And because of this, your comment is not approachable, persuasive, or helpful with regards to the thread's main purpose.

If you're here to offer advice regarding the actual point of the thread then by all means, proceed. But if you're only here to exert superiority and twirl your tail-feathers then please go away. That sort of thing is unhelpful, unimpressive, and borderline derailing to the thread.

Oh I'm sorry man, no disrespect intended. I was trying to use my experience and thought process as sort of a different way that you could think about it. Even as I was writing, I was hoping none of it would be taken personally, or in a negative way. I guess I just have a problem of expressing myself accurately in writing lol.

I was trying to use specific examples that I could think of off the top of my head. Of course you know how to play against the wind wall, I just perhaps got carried away on that point. I over explain certain things, and lose my point along the way. It happens to me often and isn't intended to be condescending or to shame you in any way. I'm a little disappointed you accuse me of tail feather waving, but whatever, I can only explain myself, and I actually take that as you doing a little projecting of your own. To read that and think I'm being bragging or something, come on.

But as I said, no disrespect intended! Sorry I was no help lol. (I do recognize now, that lines like "be mad at yourself" are completely pointless and only come across as arrogant)

HalcyonDwellerJan 30, 20181 votes

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Oh I'm sorry man, no disrespect intended. I was trying to use my experience and thought process as sort of a different way that you could think about it. Even as I was writing, I was hoping none of it would be taken personally, or in a negative way. I guess I just have a problem of expressing myself accurately in writing lol.

I was trying to use specific examples that I could think of off the top of my head. Of course you know how to play against the wind wall, I just perhaps got carried away on that point. I over explain certain things, and lose my point along the way. It happens to me often and isn't intended to be condescending or to shame you in any way. I'm a little disappointed you accuse me of tail feather waving, but whatever, I can only explain myself, and I actually take that as you doing a little projecting of your own. To read that and think I'm being bragging or something, come on.

But as I said, no disrespect intended! Sorry I was no help lol. (I do recognize now, that lines like "be mad at yourself" are completely pointless and only come across as arrogant)

No worries, I'm sorry for being so combative about it. I have a low tolerance for perceived tail-feather displays. >.< It was rude of me to go off on you for it. I see now that this was simply a misunderstanding between us and I'm sorry for overreacting.

Exerting willpower and using the frustration as a motivator to double down and work harder certainly is a good suggestion, however I've found that I have a lot of difficulty separating it out and avoiding getting distracted by my anger (and thus tilting). That's why I'm looking for other advice, such as what a few others have said about using smaller goals and looking to have fun elsewhere in the game by playing the vision game, the farming game, or just trying to make plays elsewhere on the map.