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What is considered to be toxic?

HolyDiverr··1 votes·1,748 views

Rn it seems like there are no clear rules and boundaries of that is toxic and what is not. Some people say arguing is toxic. some say caps lock and some say there are key words that will be flagged by the system.

These are the things I found that can relate to chat from: https://support-leagueoflegends.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

1.Insulting, harassing, or offensive language directed at other players. (well this one is easy to understand)

2.Any kind of hate speech such as homophobia, sexism, racism, and ableism. (seems right)

3.Unnecessarily disruptive language or behavior that derails the match for other players. (this one is very vague)

How can an algorithm knows what is "Unnecessarily disruptive language or behavior that derails the match for other players" Are there key words it flag? is so which words? What is considered to be unnecessary? it can be literally everything. How does it knows if what someone says derails the match for other plays?

The problem of this vagueness is that riot says the system is automatic which I do not believe it is fully automatic. If so what are the rules so we know how not to "derail" the match. If a rioter inspects it, how can we know he is not just a snowflake who gets offended by "EZ"

If im missing anything please feel free to link it here at the comments guys

6 Comments

Kuthillick3 votes

So this is NOT an exhaustive list but rather a couple guidelines that can help you avoid being punished or can even be considered toxicity.

First and foremost: If it isn't nice, don't say it.

That might seem a little strict but honestly if you stick to that you don't have to worry about getting punished for chat related issues.

Other than that - Cursing is NEVER necessary. It has negative connotations overall. This isn't to say you can't curse, you definitely can. But directing your cursing to someone instead of just saying it is not a good look. "Fuck" as opposed to "Fuck you adc" for example. The first is fine, the second is not.

You don't need to point out other players scores, rank, CS, etc. The main exception to this COULD be "He is quite a bit more farmed than you right now, just try to be careful." Point it out in a positive manner, don't get drawn into arguments, don't repeat it if they don't follow your advice.

Saying someone is int'ing doesn't have a practical or constructive purpose. By definition anyone who is "int'ing" is doing it INTentionally. You pointing it out simply tells someone who knows what they are doing what they are doing. On the other hand, saying someone is int'ing when they are just having a bad game doesn't do anything constructive. They aren't magically going to get better, they likely know they are dying too much. Int'ing carries a negative connotation with it and has no positive purpose in chat.

One report in a game does as many as 9 reports in a single game. Because of this you never need to ask for more reports if you are already reporting. Doing so distracts you from the game, lowers morale, adds to toxicity, and can be considered harassment if done repeatedly throughout a game.

Spamming in general (both pings and chat) is not constructive. You may want to ping twice or thrice to get your message across but more than that isn't helpful (especially the question mark ping). Same goes with messages. Say something once, MAYBE twice if super important but refrain from spamming more than that. It becomes distracting and counterproductive.

Don't focus on what gets you punished. If you do that you will find yourself continuously toeing the line. Instead focus on how to be a constructive, positive member of the community.

HolyDiverr2 votes

{quoted}

So this is NOT an exhaustive list but rather a couple guidelines that can help you avoid being punished or can even be considered toxicity.

First and foremost: If it isn't nice, don't say it.

That might seem a little strict but honestly if you stick to that you don't have to worry about getting punished for chat related issues.

Other than that - Cursing is NEVER necessary. It has negative connotations overall. This isn't to say you can't curse, you definitely can. But directing your cursing to someone instead of just saying it is not a good look. "Fuck" as opposed to "Fuck you adc" for example. The first is fine, the second is not.

You don't need to point out other players scores, rank, CS, etc. The main exception to this COULD be "He is quite a bit more farmed than you right now, just try to be careful." Point it out in a positive manner, don't get drawn into arguments, don't repeat it if they don't follow your advice.

Saying someone is int'ing doesn't have a practical or constructive purpose. By definition anyone who is "int'ing" is doing it INTentionally. You pointing it out simply tells someone who knows what they are doing what they are doing. On the other hand, saying someone is int'ing when they are just having a bad game doesn't do anything constructive. They aren't magically going to get better, they likely know they are dying too much. Int'ing carries a negative connotation with it and has no positive purpose in chat.

One report in a game does as many as 9 reports in a single game. Because of this you never need to ask for more reports if you are already reporting. Doing so distracts you from the game, lowers morale, adds to toxicity, and can be considered harassment if done repeatedly throughout a game.

Spamming in general (both pings and chat) is not constructive. You may want to ping twice or thrice to get your message across but more than that isn't helpful (especially the question mark ping). Same goes with messages. Say something once, MAYBE twice if super important but refrain from spamming more than that. It becomes distracting and counterproductive.

Don't focus on what gets you punished. If you do that you will find yourself continuously toeing the line. Instead focus on how to be a constructive, positive member of the community.

Thank you for your time man. I took some what the things u said actually. trying to adjust to the snowflake mentality. Where I come from we dont get offended quickly. Maybe its because I used to play on a different server. Seems like NA servers are much more strict and that the people are much more fragile.

Kuthillick1 votes

Ya i haven't played on any other servers so I can't comment. If you are struggling to adjust the best advice I can give that might help is remember that at the end of the day, this is a video game and most people play for fun. Oftentimes the time playing league is the only leisure time people have and they are trying to not think about family, work, stress, etc. for awhile. Behaviors and actions that can seriously detract from their enjoyment is generally looked down on by Riot.

This isn't to say you can't get tilted, upset, etc. I've definitely been there since I've been playing for 9 1/2 years. It all comes down to how you can express it. I found that I had 3 things really help me when I was trying to climb a couple years ago.

  1. Journal your games with an self-focused point of view. I did these short enough I could do them in queue and during loading screen. 3 things I did well, 3 things I could have done better. Don't mention your teammates mistakes.

  2. Evaluate after each game. Did I have fun? Am I enjoying myself? Am I not tilted? If the answer to any of those is no, take a break. This will do wonders for your mental strength.

  3. Find a way of expressing in game frustrations outside of the game, during the game. In game if you get frustrated you can't just leave (without risk of punishment) or lash out at your teammates (without risk of punishment). Finding healthy coping mechanisms can be game savers. Express your frustrations out loud. Have a stress ball near you. Play calming music (Moonlight Sonata on loop can actually really help).

At the end of the day it's a game. If you aren't having fun, take a break. But also try to refrain from behaviors that could ruin someone else's recreational time. I know there are a lot of players that ruin other peoples time deliberately. In those situations, find your coping mechanisms, report at the end of the day, and don't be one of them.

Good luck!

rujitra2 votes

Just because you do not understand how an automated system works does not make it impossible. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell you how a kidney works - does that mean that none of us have kidneys?

The rules are pretty clear that you simply shouldn’t insult, flame, or verbally abuse others. That’s not unclear.

HolyDiverr2 votes

{quoted}

Just because you do not understand how an automated system works does not make it impossible. Most people wouldn’t be able to tell you how a kidney works - does that mean that none of us have kidneys?

The rules are pretty clear that you simply shouldn’t insult, flame, or verbally abuse others. That’s not unclear.

Never said it is impossible. about the kidney thing... im not even going to comment. Rules are meant to be clear and open so people will know how not to violate them. Every set of rules that are punishable should (and are) be publicly open and transparent. What im saying is that lately there are chat restrictions on people that do not "insult, flame, or verbally abuse others" and are probably restricted because of rule #3 that I stated. I just want it to be clear so I will know to follow the rule and not accidentally violate it by mistake.

rujitra1 votes

It is clear. It is transparent. No, they will not make a “word list” because words are not what’s punished.

The behaviors that are punished are clear. Insulting. Flaming. Verbal abuse. Those behaviors are punished. What is unclear?

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