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The REAL problem with Support is Toxicity

NekoniClaws·3/2/2018, 4:22:21 PM·28 votes·1,369 views

If I was to put my thumb over the most unappealing thing about playing support, it's the amount of players who think they have the right to treat us like dog excrement.

And honestly, as a support main I'm getting sick of it. If I lose a game, I get flamed. If I win a game, the enemy support gets flamed in allchat.

So I 'mute and report'. But I never see report feedback. Even if it's for someone stepping way, WAY over the line. Nothing.

If Riot wants to fix the role- it can stop tweaking their stats, and items, and start actually dealing with community behavior.

The fact is, no matter how bad you think your support is (because you secretly think all supports are baggage), or ACTUALLY are, you have at -no- point gained the right to harass or harangue them in any way.

And if the fact you're talking to an actual human isn't enough, at least have a LITTLE respect for the fact that, that support right there? They're the only reason you're not autofilled.

47 Comments

hhaavviikk3/2/2018, 7:22:43 PM13 votes

non meta picks get a similar attitude, if you win they will say the enemy was just shit, if you lose, even if your score is 20-0-20 they will blame you cuz non meta pick and flame you to all hell

The Trent3/3/2018, 12:01:37 AM8 votes

? I'm a support main and I don't have any problems with toxicity. Good Thresh, Alistar, and Braum players typically get noticed when they make good plays, and Lulu, Jaina, and Nami are kinda passive buffing champs, so they don't get as noticed, but I still get a gj every now and then. If anything does get toxic I just mute or I won't reply. Support is kinda like a lifestyle, you have to like helping people just for helping people. You shouldn't be playing support if you want all the fame and glory, you could try playing a kill support, but just in general kill supports won't do very well if they don't at least build some support items. If you're playing Brand and you go full dmg but then Lulu goes Aegis and Redemption, your damage turns into nothing and you have no support items to help your team. It just sounds like support isn't the role for you tbh. You don't play support to get kills. You play support to support people, if your teammates are constantly yelling at you and you think it's a toxic role, I'm sorry to say this but the problem is probably you. Even when I lose lane, my adcs still like me, and on a very rare occasion I might have a very tilted adc that is just mad at everyone, but that's what the mute button is for. There isn't much people can get mad at you for while you're supporting. You're going to be underleveled half the time, you're going back all the time because they won't stop clearing your pink wards, you need to recharge that sight stone, you're constantly in debt so you can get those support items asap. Like there isn't much someone can get mad at you for while you're playing support, so I don't understand. The support role is EXTREMELY easy to carry in right now and my winrate is higher than it's ever been before. There isn't a problem when it comes to supporting.

FullmuteAll play3/2/2018, 4:45:18 PM5 votes

Idk can't say I see supports being the only ones team throws garbge onto. Usually junglers are in the same situation. But I rarely play utility supports, so maybe by their nature/idea they are less respected than offensive/playmaking ones, because ppl tend not to notice your shields/heals or take it as a must do thing, and when you don't Reeeeee.

Off Meta Evan3/2/2018, 11:09:53 PM3 votes

While toxicity is a big issue, i think the BIGGEST problem with support is lack of mechanical champs and lack of just shit to do. A lot of supports are extremely passive and are very linear. Now there are obviously supports that have a high skill cap and require really good mechanics like Thresh but they're too few and far between. Too many supports are just passive walking buffs Janna Soraka Nami where the majority of what you're gonna be doing is just buffing the AD and spamming your 1 damage spell. on top of that if you're playing a passive lane there really isn't that much to do. you ward up and just wait around for a possible chance to engage. with other roles you can focus on farming but with support you can find yourself just waiting around for something to happen.

Mama Soraka3/3/2018, 2:44:11 AM3 votes

Some people just want to be negative. I've been picking up support Kayle lately and in one match I picked her into Xerath because I knew I could I bop him good while sustaining my ADC through all the harass. So my jungler decides that I'm trolling and going to def feed saying "well I'm used to feeders and trolls report troll sup kayle" and stuff like that. Obviously I don't bite the bait and just mute him for being negative and by the end of the game my Ezreal can straight up go in 1v5 and get 4 kills because we got so fed on bot lane.

At the end game screen I say "Report troll kayle support" to kind of rub it in after the game announces my S rank and the enemy team tells me that they are reporting everyone on my team except me because my team had been talking some mad trash in all chat (I keep all chat disabled because why would I want to talk to the enemy anyway?).

Moral of the story: Some people just wanna be awful. I didn't rise to their nonsense and played my best so they went and got negative in all chat instead. Just don't take the bait and move on, really.

[sg-ezreal]

TwitchInMyPants3/3/2018, 1:44:54 PM2 votes

Toxicity is an everyone issue though

Though I do support any effort to get it cleaned up, I don't think I've ever seen an Instant Feedback Report ever since it was implemented. Gotta wonder if they ever actually punish all the inters and flamers out there :V

JarodDempsey3/3/2018, 7:07:40 PM2 votes

I'd have to say that this is most evident on supps that dont initiate or do lots of damage, aka enchanters. It is seen even more on nontradtional supports as well. I can go kennen poke support do 9/9/12 and get commendations but I go ori and go 2/0/21 and get nothing because my teammates notice kennen poking the enemy health or inting on them with ult but they dont notice me as ori shielding them for more than their max hp over the course of a fight.

warmcorntortilla3/3/2018, 12:03:22 PM1 votes

What are you talking about, I literally never get flamed as the support? The jungler, now, they get flamed non-stop. I'd say easily the role that gets flamed the most is jungle, which is the role I actually liked a lot more than support, but the amount of flaming I got made the role unplayable because I would tilt off the face of this planet.

If you're maining a role and you KNOW you're contributing and you KNOW you're doing a good job, then if somebody flames you literally just mute them, because they've revealed themselves to be worthless and braindead. Sometimes my ADC is braindead, and I have to mute them. ADCs are literally children, their role is the most childlike in the game, they conduct themselves as a whole the same way a toddler would, and you have to treat them like sticky fingered toddlers. If they start screaming for ganks and red buffs, you tell them to stop it, and if they don't you ignore them and continue on your day as though they don't exist.

You cannot main support and be triggered by salty ADCs, I would say half of the skill of the support role is being able to put up with their pillow princess antics for 40 straight minutes.

spaghëtti3/3/2018, 11:21:45 PM1 votes

sometimes i wish my teammates would do good enough to have the audacity to flame me [sg-ahri-1]

FreeKittens3/4/2018, 3:04:38 AM1 votes

PEOPLE THIS DAY AND AGE CAN'T BLAME THEMSELVES FOR FAILURE. THEY BEEN RAISED WITH TROPHIES FOR FAILURE. THEY HATE ON OTHERS BECAUSE THEY HATE THEMSELVES FOR NOT WINNING BUT CAN'T COPE WITH THE FACT THEY MIGHT JUST BE INFERIOR. THEY BLAME SUPPORT BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS, THE ONLY WAY THEY DON'T WIN IS BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE TEAM DIDN'T HELP.

Awf Meta3/2/2018, 6:23:26 PM1 votes

Every single role is subjected to "toxicity".

"Toxic" chat is not a problem. Use the mute feature.

Personally speaking, game play is more important than chat. The problem I have with "true support" champions is they are entirely reliant on their team. Attacking a tower with "support build" Soraka is as effective as a caster minion.

heroikc3/2/2018, 8:14:28 PM1 votes

My problem is when the support picks a niche pick (i.e. Shaco or Garen) or pick niche builds (Taric bruiser) and forsake the ADC. Heck, I had a Taric who did nothing to save the Draven teammate...and declares he "needs someone to support."

Troll Slaiyer3/2/2018, 10:15:44 PM1 votes

the support role itself is toxic. your job is to grief the enemy team

Telephone Booth3/3/2018, 12:11:53 AM1 votes

Harangue... good word sir.

AirKingNeo3/3/2018, 12:40:07 AM1 votes

If I was to put my thumb over the most unappealing thing about playing support, it's the amount of players who think they have the right to treat us like dog excrement.

Y'know, people are only dicks to people who are dicks to them. There are very few nature dickish people.

Have you ever thought, as a support, that not pressuring lane, letting people die, refusing to do something that you should have done, not using exhaust, or abandoning lane randomly might make people made at you?

I Main Swain3/3/2018, 12:53:36 AM1 votes

in my own experiences (having played a great deal of support myself) i actually find the opposite problem, for me the support is generally the most toxic player followed by jungle and adc. i cant speak for others but thats unquestionably what ive seen in my games