Response to the Rito employee scandal (can't write name :D )

Phoenixdust·9/6/2018, 2:40:16 PM·28 votes·9,182 views

Hi,

So on the boards i see a lot of people are upset because he gave voice to his opinion in a questionable form, and want to get him fired. Since Rito is a profit oriented company, instead of crying on Boards, the best way to force your view on the company is to boycott purchases from the game.

If this is really what the majority, or at least a significant minority wants to achieve, then boycotting the game (or at least the purchases) is the best response you can do. Or is this game/the fancy skins more important than your moral highground in this issue?

Also, if you would be so kind, would you answer this poll if you've read the post? (Just for curiosity)

EDIT: My post was originally oriented on the "meeting in a turbine" tweet, but feel free to write and/or vote for the other issues as well.

28 Comments

Voldymort9/6/2018, 2:47:19 PM8 votes

upvote if you're like me and you don't care for this drama

UnwardiI9/6/2018, 2:57:34 PM6 votes

If I can offer my analysis of the situation.

I don't actually think people are offended by the tweets of a singular Riot employee. They are angry at what Riot's response to those tweets implies about the values Riot is operating under.

First, there is the whole hypocrisy angle. Those tweets were clearly against Riot's terms of service and any player making such statements would, under the terms of service, have to face punishment for those statements. There is no evidence of Riot taking punitive actions, so it cannot be that the company actually cares about those values. And so why do they make their players adhere to them if they don't hold themselves accountable to the same measure.

This question of values is very important, because this hypocrisy suggests that Riot's value system is flawed.

To the minds of a player, the company should have 2 prime values. The first must obviously be financial. The company is beholden to make money for it's investors and employees or it cannot sustain it's self. This much is obvious, this much is acceptable. But the second, at least to the minds of players SHOULD be, to provide the best possible product.

You could make the argument, I suppose, that maintaining decorum in game increases the quality of the product. I suppose that's believably congruent with making a better game as the community is inextricably linked to the game. But there is no reasonable way that insulting and antagonizing 90% of your player base on social media fits in with that value. None at all.

So this brings into question Riot's core values. Because if their penultimate value ISN'T to make the best game possible, then we actually have identified an existential threat to the very game in question.

Does that makes sense?

TrulyBland9/6/2018, 4:56:02 PM3 votes

First off: Kudos for posting a reasonable and unbiased poll. I mean hell, you even included the slightly nonsensical option "No. Yes" to allow the whole spectrum of possible answers.

Honestly, the meeting in a turbine thing doesn't seem like that big a deal in a vacuum. Showcasing somebody else's inappropriate joke doesn't really make me scream for a boycott. It is however problematic in the bigger picture. I'm not the kind of person that demands somebody's head on a spike the moment he does something bad in public, especially not for starting and competing in an overreaction contest. But I hope Riot acknowledges the problem and manages to "gently" push that Rioter to make an apology. Otherwise, head on a spike it is.

usul12029/6/2018, 2:41:55 PM3 votes

Which one? The harassment allocations, the singular rape one, or the turbine thing?

Devilangel61619/6/2018, 5:34:27 PM2 votes

I would also go as far to say that boycotting the finals and worlds would not be a step too far. But that is a step that many people will not take.

A Fish With Legs9/7/2018, 8:58:45 PM1 votes

From my personal perspective, I'm not wholly upset about the whole tweet thing, but Riot Employees should be held to the same standard that they hold their own community for. They expect the community not to make veiled death threats towards others, and general, not be terrible human beings towards each other, but based off of what I see/saw, it seems that they are giving a pass to each other for behavior that they would punish a normal player for doing.

Even off the clock, an employee of a company still represents the company that they work for. GW2 had this exact same thing that went on in a very similar fashion, but they fired the two devs who pretty much went against ArenaNet's ToS and who started the whole thing, even though they weren't on the clock and on their own website.

I don't know how to boycott what I haven't used in three years. I put some money into this game back in 2011-2015, but I haven't put any money into this game since coming back. Since there's a chance to get everything for free, I don't plan on putting money into a game if I can just play the waiting game. I'm an extremely patient person, so I don't mind waiting for certain skins that I want to pop up by chance.

Kei1439/6/2018, 2:46:58 PM1 votes

Lesser about being upset. I think it's more an inappropriate thing.

But I'm starting to think that he is going through a manic episode, as this isn't similar to his past comments.

You know... its TIGER BLOOD that keeps people WINNING.

Yatol9/6/2018, 5:11:55 PM1 votes

I think his openly hostile attitude should be punished or at least acknowledged but assuming that all of Riot holds the same opinion is wrong (especially the resent controversy about workplace toxicity)

Even if i dislike the LOL Community, i don't think its staff should openly be hostile to its customers.

Im not boycotting

Emikzen9/6/2018, 9:13:10 PM1 votes

Shouldnt need a poll to decide, spend money if you want to, or dont. I personally dont agree with their decisions lately and its stopped me from both playing and buying things. Do you feel theyre worth the money, its entirely up to you.

IainG109/6/2018, 11:45:12 PM1 votes

A caveat to add clarity to my tick into Row 1:

I'm upset by the whole affair: the sexism shown at PAX and how it was handled; the Tweets of DZK and Froskurinn and the leaked Slack; and Riot's silence over the whole thing (beyond one empty, slightly passive-aggressive Tweet).

If it were just one individual's Twitter history, with no indicated support from their higher ups (whether openly stated or leaked), and the company rapidly came forth with nothing more than a 'we do not condone the views as shown by this person unintentionally or otherwise representing us', then I'd be in the RP store right now getting that shiny new Thresh skin.

If it were just item A from my list, then I'd still be boycotting; to me the actions are far louder than the words here, but there isn't really a clear good option for that on your poll.

But I cannot untangle the Tweets from the sexist display at PAX or Riot's silence, and because I do find his Tweets offensive (if more for the intent behind them than the actual content), and I am boycotting (at least purchases, I'm not gonna pretend I can stop playing, or that I care about LCS/Worlds apart from how it fucks balance for the rest of us), I went with 'Yes, Yes'.

More data is always good data.