In your opinion, is this an offense

This Is Your Dad·5/4/2017, 4:29:13 AM·10 votes·1,253 views

This is not a social justice warrior qq thread. Last game I had a jinx run smite ghost with courage of the colossus bot lane. He entered the RANKED game by saying "I'm drunk sorry guys, I've had like 5 beers and 4 (some kind of alcohol I don't remember)." Does this fall under playing under conditions not suitable for victory/not being prepared to win? There's not exactly a report category for it. As a reference our lux did awful and I never said anything about it, because he was trying but failing.

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BridgeKeep5/4/2017, 6:39:12 AM3 votes

I think that Pantheon Forever had a point in the drinking and driving debate, HOWEVER, I also believe that there is a reason we have a normals que and a ranked que. If someone takes those masteries and summoner spells into botlane and feeds, THEN that person is obviously trolling. In ranked, I believe this is reportable REGARDLESS of whether or not the player is innebriated. Thus, in your case, the offence is not the beer, but the gameplay which was an obvious troll, and should be reported. In conclusion, report for the masteries and sums offence; the beer is inconsequential.

Pantheon Forever5/4/2017, 6:32:09 AM3 votes

Drinking and driving is against the law because it puts people lives at risk. Drinking and playing video games is a recommended activity to pursue while drinking because it is safe for everyone. If an adult wants to drink and play a video game I find it hard to justify a punishment. Now I agree you have the right to concern and to express yourself but not at the expense of my beer.

I play worse when I'm distracted by real life or on prescription medication (broke my finger awhile back and the pills made me loopy) than if I had a few beers (even "drunk"). The point is there are an infinite amount of unique circumstances that could affect ones performance in game and trying to police peoples personal life over a video game seems illogical.

Who's gonna determine how many beers is acceptable before a match? Who's gonna tell someone with a medical condition they can not play a video game if they take medication that affects their coordination or alertness? Who's gonna verify the difference between trolling and bluffing (people bluff that they are AFK or throwing all the time and really they are lurking in the bush with vision on you waiting for you to stop moving so they can lunge at you while you are typing)? If you want people to stop playing drunk how could you (or riot) possibly enforce it?

Chat logs don't dictate reality they are just things that are typed many times having nothing to do with the truth. Many times people are drunk and don't type about it or play like they are drunk for a variety or reasons when they are sober. Chat logs and replays are not good enough ways to judge if or how much someone drank and the problem you have seems more chat and trolling specific (someone typing things you didn't like, and an adc with tank masteries and smite) which could also be many other things. Who's gonna pay for everyone worldwide to get a breathalyzer (or more expensively a blood analysis) machine to hook up to your computer to play a free game (I imagine you would half to keep checking after each match as my blood alcohol level changes throughout the night) as so we can verify who's drunk, and who's using drunk as an excuse, and who's trolling using drunk as bait.

Only with answers to these many questions and more could even a framework for moving forward be constructed. Meanwhile there are more pressing issues facing riot staff with more approachable avenues to pursue them (like bringing back item sets or balancing new additions to the game.

Bonus question: what would the riot pop up message say once they magically decided you are to drunk to play?

AeroWaffle5/4/2017, 4:43:15 AM2 votes

Certainly a grey area.

If their inebriated self decides to make the poor decision of intentionally feeding, then they are still held responsible for it. But if they make poor tactical decisions because of their drunkenness then, although it's distasteful, I don't think it's likely to be punishable unless it's something that happens a lot.

The punishment for not playing at your best is increased chance to lose.

Although it's irresponsible of them, we can't start punishing people solely for drinking a lot before playing. That would be no different than punishing people for playing while doing anything else that decreases their performance.

BUT

One could also argue that their statement that they drank a lot before the game is admission that they knew that they were intentionally playing the game in a state that they'll be a deadweight.

LawUrDepravdHart5/4/2017, 10:40:38 PM1 votes

This scenario is disturbing and I hope I never come across it in my games! However, I don't think it's a ban worthy offense (maybe a lesser punishment is appropriate), and I think my experience in the legal field can provide an analogous example.

In criminal court a felony conviction requires an element of "intent" to commit the crime. However, the law recognizes that even in very severe cases an extremely intoxicated individual is incapable of forming the intent to commit the crime. For example, if my blood alcohol content is 5X the legal limit and I shoot and kill someone then 1st degree murder is off the table because I didn't premeditate the murder and form the actual malice to kill that person. Instead, I would be charged with a lesser crime like 2nd degree murder or involuntary manslaughter because the level of intent required is much less strict. Having the intent to get intoxicated knowing that I could make bad decisions under the influence is not the same as having the intent to kill someone.

The point is that your courage of the colossus, ghost, jerk of an adc is guilty of something... Just not intentional feeding. Intentional feeding should receive a harsh punishment like a ban. He may have gotten drunk and made the decision to play knowing that its highly likely that he would feed... But that's not the same thing as intentionally feeding and it deserves a smaller punishment.

Finn Teh Human5/5/2017, 5:10:51 AM1 votes

In Ranked? Fuck yes I think it's reportable and should be bannable. In Normals? No. This is why when I'm drunk I make sure my friends let me know I'm qu'd for norms.

Ranked is intense gameplay, normals are for being chill and relaxing. People drink to chill and relax, not to feel tense and think out every move.

Cagniant5/5/2017, 3:29:13 PM1 votes

For me it is an offense, giving me a AFK from the beggining of the game and forcing me play autolost game. And yeah i also cant even ask to report him, NAZI RIOT well done here.

Anomander5/5/2017, 7:07:57 PM1 votes

Being drunk does not excuse behavior.

Intentionally trying to lose is punishable. However off meta is allowed. Honestly it would have to be a manual review of the game to determine if it edged into intentionally trying to lose.

The messed up masteries could be from like a jungle Volibear set upwho uses ghost and COTC.

While I do not want to play with this player I CANNOT without witnessing the game say that it is punishable.

However a consistent behavioral trend of this would be punishable.

Leaf on Bush5/4/2017, 6:50:18 AM1 votes

Intentional feeding and bad attitude.

Stars Shaper5/4/2017, 8:21:15 AM1 votes

Yes, it is a reportable behavior.

He had plenty of other game mods to play if he wanted, but he choose to get drunk and play ranked. Willingly putting yourself in a condition where you have your senses and reactions are bleary and then go in a competitive match means you are willingly being a burden for your team mates.