Questions For Reformed Players

Rainboom·12/11/2017, 1:26:42 AM·2 votes·516 views

Hey all,

I'm working on an influential, self-project and would definitely like some insight from players who are Reformed - if you would be so kind as to oblige. This will be featured in a video I'm making, names will **not ** be mentioned/shown to preserve some anonymity (your name still appears on this forum when you comment - I can't control that >_< ). _ If a question is too personal, please do not feel pressured to answer it (Just type "N/A" ) I'm also open to talking about this off-the-forums. If you don't want your name publicly attached to your comment on here, feel free to add me in-game (NA Server only - sorry) and we can talk about it there - maybe play some games while we're at it :)

I'm a (soon-to-graduate) Marketing student who enjoys observing and participating in different ways a group of people work together to achieve a goal, more so, the (e-)bonds that can form from it. I feel there is not enough light is shined on the player-interaction part of any gaming community. Rather than summing up an online community as "gg toxic", I'd like to take this project, use the information from Reformed Players who participate and turn it into something nice that can reach out to players who are having difficulty expressing or controlling their feelings/emotions and can benefit from some guidance - especially from players who understand :)

A few questions I have are:

  • Did it take multiple punishments from the Tribunal to be effective?
  • Was there a distinct moment, without the push of the Tribunal, that you noticed you went "overboard" on a teammate/opponent? Did it bother you?
  • Has a teammate ever explained to you that you flaming them was hurting/tilting them? Did it make you stop?
  • Was being toxic in-game used as an outlet to real-life's stress?
  • When you flamed, how often (if any) did you end up tilting yourself and performing worse?
  • What made you decide to take action and change your ways (reform)?
  • After being reformed, are there any steps or practices that really help you exercise control over your emotions?
  • Are your games more enjoyable now?
  • Do you encourage your teammates at all? Do you remain relatively quiet (aside from shot calling)?
  • Is there something you learned from experience or simply just want to say to players who are currently toxic to help deter them from being so? Perhaps some effective measures that work for you to maintain control or some words of encouragement.

Edit

  • Has the new Honor System affected your actions to reform?

TL;DR: Questions for Reformed Players to make an influential video.

Thanks! [sg-kiko]

7 Comments

Padawan12/11/2017, 1:58:38 AM2 votes
  • Did it take multiple punishments from the Tribunal to be effective? It was only two punishments. The first one I learned from, the second I believe to be unjust, so I am not sure what to take away from it.

  • Was there a distinct moment, without the push of the Tribunal, that you noticed you went "overboard" on a teammate/opponent? Did it bother you? Only the first time I was issued a 14 day ban. I said "kys". I learned from that and felt bad for doing so. The second said I said two swears against a player, "fuck and stfu" and was permanently banned. This was all in response to his heavy toxicity, flaming, and swearing against me. So what I did was light, and I deliberately controlled myself to not say more, thinking that I was doing well.

  • Has a teammate ever explained to you that you flaming them was hurting/tilting them? Did it make you stop? No one has ever commented about this to me, no. Most players say I am a very nice guy.

  • Was being toxic in-game used as an outlet to real-life's stress? Not at all really. I workout to relieve stress.

  • When you flamed, how often (if any) did you end up tilting yourself and performing worse? I was already tilted and my flaming was in response to their flaming. I personally believe myself to be the victim in the second ban I received, which happened to be permanent.

  • What made you decide to take action and change your ways (reform)? Being permanently banned. Since I do not fully understand the reasoning behind the toxic player getting off free and the auto-ban bot removing my account, I will henceforth mute all before each game to avoid such encounters.

  • After being reformed, are there any steps or practices that really help you exercise control over your emotions? Not really.

  • Are your games more enjoyable now? It's harder to communicate with mute all, but it keeps me from saying that one silly cuss word towards a player, one time, which causes the entire account to get removed.

  • Do you encourage your teammates at all? Do you remain relatively quiet (aside from shot calling)? 95% of the time I am told that I am a very positive player. It only takes one swear word towards a teammate, and complaining, to get premade against you and deciding to have your account perma banned.

  • Is there something you learned from experience or simply just want to say to players who are currently toxic to help deter them from being so? Perhaps some effective measures that work for you to maintain control or some words of encouragement. - Mute all! Never use swear words. The bot will always see a swear word and chat restrict or ban you. In my case I have never been chat restricted or given a light ban. I was issued one warning with a 14 day ban, I learned from it, then was wrongfully permanently banned for using a curse word in one sentence that was directed towards another player -> "fuck you Nasus"

TheProfezzor12/11/2017, 8:27:02 AM2 votes

A few questions I have are:

  • Did it take multiple punishments from the Tribunal to be effective? *****Yes, I have had a lot of chat bans. It takes awhile. Coming on these forums helps too.

  • Was there a distinct moment, without the push of the Tribunal, that you noticed you went "overboard" on a teammate/opponent? Did it bother you? *****Kind of goes into the next question. The only time I've noticed is when someone said something along the lines of "sorry man I'm having an off day/couple of games. That hurt my feelings. Not everyone's perfect, etc." If they push back aggressively, which they have every right to IMO as I prob would, it won't make me stop.

  • Has a teammate ever explained to you that you flaming them was hurting/tilting them? Did it make you stop? *****Yes when this happens it reminds me there's actually a person on the other side I am saying this to and its rude.

  • Was being toxic in-game used as an outlet to real-life's stress? *****Not really, I am just competitive in general. When I playing ranked with players who are very obviously worse than me and performing at that level thats would start to flame.

  • When you flamed, how often (if any) did you end up tilting yourself and performing worse? ******Me flaming someone doesn't tilt myself. Their poor performance is what is tilting me which is why I am flaming.

  • What made you decide to take action and change your ways (reform)? ******Eh, trying to be less competitive in general. My vocalness comes up in other competitive ventures and I've realized I need to take a chill/pill. Plus I have invested a couple hundred $$$ into this account I don't want it perm banned. If it did it might actually be good though as I would not come back to this game and maybe actually do something productive.

  • After being reformed, are there any steps or practices that really help you exercise control over your emotions? ******Not really. I guess I am just over "elo hell" and losing bad games. I don't mind losing good games, but it's 1 sided, either 1 hard or lose hard. It's really annoying but I've been through it so long now I guess I am sort of numb.

  • Are your games more enjoyable now? ******Maybe a little bit. I mean the games in which I would flame I don't flame now. But I would flame cause we are 95% losing due to garbage teammates they don't know mechanics. So I may feel a little better not expressing or flaming, but it's still annoying to do with this matchmaking.

  • Do you encourage your teammates at all? Do you remain relatively quiet (aside from shot calling)? ******Yes, I'll say GJ if they get a kill or do an objective.

  • Is there something you learned from experience or simply just want to say to players who are currently toxic to help deter them from being so? Perhaps some effective measures that work for you to maintain control or some words of encouragement. ******I'll say this. Most of the people who get banned are come to these forums posting about it think they are innocent, or the victim, or what they did is warranted. Most of them are wrong. They are delusional. These people need to understand that it doesn't matter WHY, but IF you flame you deserve punishment. Whenever I would flame and I would log on and see that I am chat restricted or have some kind of ban I never once was thought to myself, "wow what the hell, I don't deserve this." No, I knew I flamed people, I honestly didn't care for a bit either b/c these loss games are a waste of my time, if we are getting killed, there is a mistake in people's mechanics somewhere and they are not on the same playing field as me, so why the hell are we matched in a game much less the same team. I didn't have much sympathy for them being bad.

pizzapants12/11/2017, 3:59:31 AM1 votes
  • Did it take multiple punishments from the Tribunal to be effective? It took me 3 punishments; a 10 game chat ban, 25 game chat ban, and a 2-week temp ban.

  • Was there a distinct moment, without the push of the Tribunal, that you noticed you went "overboard" on a teammate/opponent? Did it bother you? No there was no distinct moment. For me, I was just arguing with other teammates but I never said anything overboard but the negativity I spread got me punished.

  • Has a teammate ever explained to you that you flaming them was hurting/tilting them? Did it make you stop? Nobody told me to stop because most of the players I got into arguments with were trolls, inters, and flamers.

  • Was being toxic in-game used as an outlet to real-life's stress? Sort of... at times I'd feel really stressed out about the existence of my life and I would get mad and tilt easily from the slightest of things.

  • When you flamed, how often (if any) did you end up tilting yourself and performing worse? I never got tilted because of myself. I got tilted when others spam pinged me or flamed me so I flamed them back which caused me to lose focus on the game.

  • What made you decide to take action and change your ways (reform)? When I browsed the player behavior section of the forums and realized how I can prevent myself from getting permabanned.

  • After being reformed, are there any steps or practices that really help you exercise control over your emotions? I try to at least respond to 1 or more discussions in the player behavior section that way it gets me to think about being sportsmanlike.

  • Are your games more enjoyable now? Not that much of an increase but I am performing well and have won more games that I would have lost if I flamed my team. Of course, there are still feeders in my games which stress me out but I don't blame them and do my best which will give me a better chance of winning.

  • Do you encourage your teammates at all? Do you remain relatively quiet (aside from shot calling)? I do encourage my teammates if they aren't tilted. I've come across players that die 2 times then spam ping me (I play the jungle or top), they usually tilt more when I tell them to play a certain way so I stay quiet in those situations.

  • Is there something you learned from experience or simply just want to say to players who are currently toxic to help deter them from being so? Perhaps some effective measures that work for you to maintain control or some words of encouragement. Mute people and don't argue or flame. It won't help you win at all and it won't solve any problems going on amongst your teammates.

PaleMask12/11/2017, 9:29:20 AM
  • Did it take multiple punishments from the Tribunal to be effective?

It took multiple punishments for me to be concerned enough to do anything about it. Chat bans just made playing harder and more frustrating in the games you wanted to actually talk and not flame. It didn't make me want to change my ways at all. What did was actual bans where I couldn't play my main account for a while and the realization that I was heading towards a permanent ban on the account I had invested so much times and some money into. Even then though I went back and forth for a long time.

  • Was there a distinct moment, without the push of the Tribunal, that you noticed you went "overboard" on a teammate/opponent? Did it bother you?

Everyone has a different level of what defines overboard and when it comes to online messages my line is/was almost nonexistent. I have told people to drown their own children then kill themselves, that I was praying for them to get raped, I hope their family gets cancer, if I had their address I'd come kill their entire bloodline myself etc. etc. (most of that is over a year old) but I never just started in on someone for no reason, even if that reason was a bad one like them playing poorly, so while it hasn't always been really justified I have never felt true remorse for what I said. My reform was more self motivated than out of remorse for past actions. I wanted to be a better person and I wanted a better experience in the game.

  • Has a teammate ever explained to you that you flaming them was hurting/tilting them? Did it make you stop?

Probably, I don't remember a specific instance. I'm sure it never made me stop or feel any remorse/empathy.

  • Was being toxic in-game used as an outlet to real-life's stress?

Yes and No. The game itself is used as an outlet for real-life stress but I was more likely to go off for smaller offenses if I was more stressed in real life because that allowed me to vent both the game stress and real-life stress. In other words I wouldn't just start being toxic as an outlet for relieving real-life stress but these outburst would come quicker and be harsher because I would also be venting real-life stress once started.

  • When you flamed, how often (if any) did you end up tilting yourself and performing worse?

More often than not but it would also inspire me to perform better to live up to a boast or just to make them feel worse and sometimes I don't think it made much difference. So its hard to give a more definite answer.

  • What made you decide to take action and change your ways (reform)?

Wanting a better experience for myself and to be a better person in real life. Even though I was venting some stress I was also creating nearly as much by working myself up. Now I try to just let it go and do my best so afterward I can say. "At least I got practice and I can do better than before."

  • After being reformed, are there any steps or practices that really help you exercise control over your emotions?

I started maining support. In support role I don't feel as competitively pressured. I'm not trying to be the one to get the kill I just want to help my team get it. I'm also not trying to compete in the cs race when I'm in lane, I always wanted the higher cs as much for showing I did just a little better in lane than for the gold. Sometimes that was detrimental because I would get out of position for that last hit and take a bad trade.

I also started trying to encourage my teammates whenever I want to flame them, or just acknowledge them in general for a good play. I feel that by acknowledging their successes and encouraging them when they fail I prevent them and myself from tilting quite so hard or push them or myself into playing better, even if I'm fuming in real life. I don't know if it has any effect on them but I like to think it does and it helps me keep myself in check.

  • Are your games more enjoyable now?

Overall yes. It gets trying sometimes, as I said I still slip occasionally, though not to the point of wishing cancer on them. I try to save that for after game if I have to so at least it won't tilt team during the game. But because I'm not spending time flaming I play better and I don't get so worked up and that has let me relieve some stress without creating more on my own.

  • Do you encourage your teammates at all? Do you remain relatively quiet (aside from shot calling)?

As I answered earlier I do try to encourage them as an effort to help keep myself from tilting, sometimes I'm to frustrated and I just want to tell them to go fuck themselves. In those games I compromise by being quiet.

  • Is there something you learned from experience or simply just want to say to players who are currently toxic to help deter them from being so? Perhaps some effective measures that work for you to maintain control or some words of encouragement.

We all want a more enjoyable game, I know its hard and I know some trolls deserve to be beaten to death with a baseball bat but unless you can reach through the screen and grab them by the throat what good are you doing for yourself?

*Sorry about grammar in some answers, feel free to use my name/tag in your video you have my permission. Hope it goes well for you. Edit: If you want to do a more personal interview please feel free to contact me, I would be happy to participate.