It's Not Ranked So It Doesn't Matter Mentality

k3rr3k·8/27/2017, 1:57:41 PM·4 votes·702 views

Basically the title. Why is this such a prevalent attitude in aram and featured game modes like URF and Blood Moon?

Admittedly I don't take my team trolling and feeding well but I have improved since the last time I played a year or two ago. I still tilt every now and then but it's becoming less frequent.

When I do ask the team to work together or why someone is doing an offmeta build they always say this "It's just ARAM/Blood Moon/normal". Why do people feel this is an acceptable excuse to play poorly or ruin games? In PVP games the objective is to work together to beat your opponents. This means playing together and playing WELL. If you don't want to play to win, don;t play at all. Simple.

I am actually quite interested in hearing opinions from both sides of the table here. I get the feeling that not many people will agree with me due to the sheer number of responses I get along these lines in game.

I'm going on a camping trip for two days but I'll definitely be checking on this thread when I get back.

20 Comments

Eternal Torment8/27/2017, 5:19:03 PM3 votes

As much as the people disagree, as far as i am concerned it is set within the ToS and a generally known rule that Grieving, throwing and feeding goes under a Zero tolerance policy. the "it's just a normal" mentality is no excuse or reasoning as far as the rules themselves are concerned. the issue here is just that it's that many people who forgot that and don't take it seriously. and those who do found the loophole by hiding it under "i'm just trying something non-meta" while running down mid with their 0/12 tank twitch.

The mentality you posted is indeed not allowed, but the Problem is that the amount of people that forgot and/or don't care vastly outnumbers those who are Aware of it.

Subdue8/27/2017, 2:38:56 PM3 votes

While you should be trying no matter what the game mode, URF and ARAM are not balanced game modes. You can be "trying" and still get completely stomped just because you ended up on a champion that's not great for the game mode.

As for normals, players are there most likely to test new champions/builds/strategies, or because they don't want the pressure of playing a ranked game. If -YOU- want competitive, why don't you play the competitive game mode?

lolibus8/27/2017, 4:13:42 PM1 votes

How to Explore Normal Games and Live Beyond It

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Ronizu248/27/2017, 6:59:04 PM1 votes

As for intentionally not trying, of course not. Of course you need to try to win the game (about so called tryharding later). There is no point in playing the game if you aren't going to even try to win the game. But, on the other hand, some people play normals to learn totally new champions, some more difficult than others. So if you get an Azir or Sol on your team that goes 0/5 in lane, you shouldn't get mad at them, because everyone plays a champion for the first time at some point. If you do criticize them, though, they are, in my opinion, allowed to defend themselves by saying "It's just a normal". After all, winning and losing normals doesn't matter as for your ELO. You surely have at some point done bad in a normal because you were playing a champion new for you. And yes, "in a normal". Why do you try new champions in normals instead of rankeds? Because normals don't matter after all.

As for so called tryharding, I kind of get the point of what is tryharding and what isn't, but at the same time I don't. When I'm playing my main, Shyvana in a normal, of course I still do my best to win. Usually doing my best to win means starting at the enemy's other buff (or raptors if I'm taking redbuff, then I go raptors into red), and taking a drake at lvl 4. And I get called out for tryharding because I'm playing my champion to her strengths? That doesn't make sense. But on the other hand, do I really have to start at the enemy's buff, that surely annoys the enemy jungler. It isn't must-to-do. Why can I not just clear my own jungle and let the enemy jungler have a good time? That's undestandable. But I still think that so called "tryharding" is not a valid point, just unnecessary toxicity. I also just yesterday got called a tryhard by playing Yi in a normal, and got a 1v5 penta, by accident. I went in for the Illaoi thinking I will kill her and run after, but ended up killing the Nami as well. Then the enemy Shyvana, Kindred and Ziggs appeared as well, and due to my fully stacked fervor and rageblade, I killed them pretty easily. Is that really tryharding, when I'm just having fun playing a champion? What is more fun than having fully stacked Guinsoos and fervor and melting everyone? That is not tryharding, that is just having a good time.

Well, I got pretty side-tracked here, but you got my point.

Spicy Rice8/27/2017, 7:20:24 PM1 votes

Yes and no.

Yes, I believe gamemodes other than ranked shouldn't be taken seriously. If you just want to play to win, ranked is where you should be. If you are just trying to enjoy the game, then other game modes are where it's at.

However, that doesn't mean you flat out troll. Goofy off meta builds and strats are ok, as you are still trying to win. Running it down mid is not ok.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that in nonranked games, you really shouldn't be upset if people goof off, but you do have the right to report those who are actually trolling.

SecondAirbane8/27/2017, 2:27:07 PM1 votes

this mentality is the reason i hate trying to learn new champs in normals the "if you feed i'm calling you out" mentality so have fun with me stealing mid lane everytimei get autofilled

TurnDaBeatAround8/27/2017, 7:42:59 PM1 votes

I use Normal games as an opportunity to try new things. Maybe it's a new champion or a new build, but I think it is important that while yes, we don't want intentional feeding, we need to be careful of what "inting" actually is and that there is space to play the game casually, without the expectation of always playing a "meta" champion.

  1. Playing badly is not inting. It's just playing badly.
  2. Creating a suboptimal build, or a different build than you would have done it, is also not inting.
  3. Playing a champion you don't like, yep, still not inting.

You need to get beyond these surface-level symptoms and get into the core behavior of the player. Are they ignoring team requests for help? Are they verbally abusive? Are they actually just walking up and dying without any rhyme or reason? Okay, you probably have a strong case that they are in fact intentionally throwing the game. But apart from these areas, I think you'll find yourself having a difficult time making that case and meanwhile, be very frustrated that Normal players are treating the non-ladder game as a non-ladder game.

DefinitelyNotTJ8/27/2017, 4:11:14 PM1 votes

I'm sorry O.P. I have to disagree. In normals, it shouldn't matter. Nobody is perfect, and in normals that's where people go to get better with a specific champ. Now if somebody is blatantly feeding, then ya they shouldn't play. But if they are trying they shouldn't get flamed or reported.