Any thoughts on people bringing Non-Meta into ranked games?

MrGinger1004·11/30/2017, 5:43:18 AM·2 votes·503 views

I would like to know how an average person is supposed to climb out of Bronze when they are in the middle of Promos and their last game before either ranking up or going backwards I manage to get a support Teemo and a team with no tank other than me int he top. That is next level troll. How can people have confidence in their team when stuff like this is always popping up and then you get punished for dropping out of Champ select because you know this will not go well. It's a Damned if you do, Damned if you don't situation. Anyone have thought on how to rectify it? I mean I know Riot has punished Non-meta played in the past for behavior similar like Singed support, not saying he was bad he just didn't always notify the team of his intentions. But now because of this I get knocked out of Promo's and it just sucks.

9 Comments

Boulderox11/30/2017, 5:55:18 AM5 votes
  1. The meta is shaken by odd picks that go against the grain. In most cases, a random champion nobody knows how to play against is too great to overcome as an enemy, example of skt vs misfits I believe.

  2. What may be troll most of the time, you cannot assume the intent unless told by them. Sion support seems crap, but that works in some cases, you cannot judge a players skill in any role based on champion alone. For all you know that teemo supp could have been all about zoning off enemies, or the enemy bit can't handle double poke and the blind dart. Automatically dodging isn't smart or right. If it does come to that, it is one more match wiser you get as a player, another step to mastering a champion, playstyle, or build. Never be afraid to lose, learn from it trolls and all, that is the only way to win with trolls, get something out of it.

General Esdeath 11/30/2017, 7:13:06 AM2 votes

Support Teemo can work though

Mindspeaker11/30/2017, 1:12:27 PM2 votes

TL/DR Given the nature of the various people playing the game Its just not reasonable to join solo que with random people and expecting the same kind of game of cohesive , tactical , communicative and efficient team work you would get from premade team who goals , ideals, play styles are the same

{quoted} I would like to know how an average person is supposed to climb out of Bronze when they are in the middle of Promos and their last game before either ranking up or going backwards I manage to get a support Teemo and a team with no tank other than me int he top. That is next level troll.

Its not the game that is the issue usually its the player ....if you are having trouble getting out of bronze you may not be at a higher skill level than bronze yet. An unknown % of players out of the literally millions that play get though the entire season dealing with exactly the same solo que, same intentionally disruptive rule breaking players and still rise in ranks.

{quoted} How can people have confidence in their team when stuff like this is always popping up and then you get punished for dropping out of Champ select because you know this will not go well. It's a Damned if you do, Damned if you don't situation.

Que dodgers should be punished if you are trying to cherry pick your team and are that concerned about its status and out come even in ranked you should not be joining a solo que in the first place. If you want a specific type of team that is what pre-mades are for.

In other words...

  • If you want a "serious team"
  • if you want team that plays like their lives depend on it .
  • If you want to play meta
  • if you want to have a coordinated team that communicates the way a pre made or pro team does.

simple solution

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out and jsut play with a premade team you "have confidents" in.

{quoted} I mean I know Riot has punished Non-meta played in the past for behavior similar like Singed support, not saying he was bad he just didn't always notify the team of his intentions. But now because of this I get knocked out of Promo's and it just sucks.

The singed and Nunu were not banned strictly banned for not playing meta they were "unique cases" .

Riot can have a rule saying playing non meta is not punishable and still punish someone if they feel the case is unique in some fashion.

Anyone is freely Alowed to pick any champ for any role i n any lane as long as the legitimately trying to perform the "roles" function.

That does not mean suddenly "playing non meta is now bannable"

WookieeCookie (NA) - 9 months ago 1 of 1 Rioter Comments Player Support Lead - Player Behavior

Here we are again! The case of “Unusual Pick that Throws A Game on Its head” vs “The Teammates going WTF Is Going On”.

If you’re just tuning in we previously covered this topic with a similar case in December: “Support Singed isn't bannable, but that's not the point”.

We feel that the situation between these two edge cases are very similar. But it’s obvious we need to keep updating a few processes to smooth out any rare repeats in the future. And rare is what we’d call this; it’s a very unique edge case that seems to only present itself once every few months among thousands of audits that we process.

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.


{quoted} Anyone have thought on how to rectify it?

stop playing with random people if it s stressing you out. There is a premade option for a reason.

Solo que Ranked ( or any mode for that matter) is great if you who definition of "fun" does not rest on the status or out come of the game

If you can have fun during a game regardless if there are afk's or intentional feeders then they lose all power, winning is great everyone likes winning also if you have fun during the game the losses are still enjoyable.

(no "fun" is not restricted to just normal.... anyone can join any solo que for any reason)

Simply put Some players simply play ranked not because they care about "ranked prestige" but because it is more "profitable" than playing normal.... for example would I get a champ / ward skin form playing normal all year ...no ...

so solo que is a good fit for that type of player

Now on the other hand if a player is taking the game to the epic level of seriousness making the outcome of the game , your rank your lp your ONLY source of enjoyment.

If you take that type of player and then they willingly and intentionally join a match with random people

You are basically spinning a roulette wheel

On that wheel are

  • "serious people " like above
  • legitimate jerks and thinking of ways they are going to intentionally destroy the match,
  • People that may not take game as seriously as you
  • People who just want to rage and verbally abuse peole for fun
  • a legitimate "bad player" ( the not reportable kind)
  • there are probably more player type examples as well

the probability of you getting 4 other "serious people " is very low

and

The probability of getting "bad people" something simply "going wrong" or even something that you wont

Is higher than the probability of getting 4 other serious people

So knowing those odds why are you surprised when you spin the wheel and lose?

Magical Player11/30/2017, 5:55:25 AM2 votes

I climb playing non meta, so I mean

Taeseuk11/30/2017, 5:50:54 AM2 votes

There is a difference between taking a non meta pick or using a champ in non meta role vs trolling though.

Personally I've had great games where my adc isn't a typical adc champion because the person played the non meta role very well, I've seen teemo support work extremely well too.

That being said if it's just a non meta pick it never bothers me, if it's a troll pick however that does bother me.

MrGinger100411/30/2017, 5:56:44 AM1 votes

Ok it was less about Non-meta and more about the fact that I was first pick and the only tank a Yorick, and support dint pick anyone or hover anyone till last min, he was clearly waiting to choose as he knew this would upset someone. He could have asked or just about anything besides what he did. Overall the way games are going now having no tank isnt ideal. And Yorick is mostly splitting now with the new runes, he inst made for the Vanguard position. They picked Maokai and Malphite before teemo made his choice as well. So we were pretty much done for. I know it was early to call it by by the time things were said and done we had nothing to counter there mid to late game.

ModPeriscope11/30/2017, 5:50:54 AM1 votes

Going full AD always irks me. As a support main, there's little I can do about it. But, it's all about making a plan for your team and executing it. If your team has a bunch of ranged or no tank, then team fighting might not be ideal.

But in champ select, if you want a tank, ask. if you want AP, ask. If you're going off-meta, ask.

MrGinger100411/30/2017, 5:58:43 AM1 votes

I have also seen Sion support and payed with one he works well, I have yet to meet a single teemo especially in this upfront burst meta that can last in the bot lane as support. Especially with a Maokai that will lock him down and throw minions int he brush.