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Kàźuya··3 votes·1,598 views

I have just been temporarily banned for 14days, I am not a toxic person and I don't even consider myself worthy of chat restrictions which I have had in the past for barely anything I don't understand this games mentality, people flame you and then report you for replying to their behaviour even if you aren't flaming them back you can just be trying to reason with them and talking with them during their constant flaming throughout the game and that will get you reported and ultimately punished.

I like the game a lot but I can't get on board with this short of punishment system that punishes you for replying to toxicity, I never flame back but if I feel like I need to defend myself in anyway from online bullying and toxic behaviour you better believe that I am going to and for me to be punished for trying to reason with toxicity is absolutely ridiculous.

I have come into this behaviour a lot in MOBA games over the years and I deal with it in my own way, I am not about letting people walk all over me and I'm also not about flaming back and the way this game punishes victims for simply trying to reason with their toxic community is something I can and will never get onboard with.

So it's back to the MOBA drawing board for me, any suggestions are welcome but till I find something new that doesn't punish innocent players I will be returning to heroes of the storm.

Thanks for reading, and I hope they change this.

I've done some searching for topics similar to this and it seems that the general consensus from people is to just mute them and if you reply you are as toxic as the person who is flaming, which sounds ridiculous but that seems to be peoples thoughts on the matter and the funny thing is I never actually report the flamers because I'm never going to make a difference, these types of games are always going to be full of toxic players and they will just return on other accounts, reporting them and getting them banned isn't going to change anything and also banning innocent players isn't helping the situation either.

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Chermorg6 votes

So, I don't think "mute and report" is so outrageous and ridiculous as you try to make it seem.

Imagine this. You see someone with a matchbox, lighting matches and throwing them at a house. Now, the matches are mostly extinguished before they get to the house (wind and throwing them makes them go out, say), but they still could start a fire. You have a few options - throw matches at that person, throw matches at the house with them, take the matchbox away from them, put up a wall between them and the house, or ignore it all. Of these, which is the best one? Of course it's to take the matchbox away from them (we're assuming you live in anarchy with no police) so they can't throw more matches. The second best? To put up a wall so no damage is caused by them throwing matches.

If you throw matches at that person? You're just starting a different fire, and fueling the potential harm - even if you don't set the person on fire by throwing matches. If you throw matches at the house with them (ex: lightly flaming someone who's doing bad), you're just "fueling the fire" so to speak. If you ignore it all? You're not helping the problem at all - but at least you're not contributing to it.

The good thing is there are police (Riot). That person throwing matches can be "arrested" (punished by Riot) and hopefully improve their behavior - or if not eventually end up permanently banned. So, now that we consider police to be a thing, which is the best option? We're also assuming you can't take the matches away from this person now - the police would get mad at you for doing that as it's technically theft (you can't unilaterally mute one person for everyone in a game, in the analogy). The best option is still to build that wall to block their attacks from your house - sure they can move on to another house, but hopefully those people will build walls (mute) as well. You then call the police and tell them what happened so the person can be arrested.

You don't throw matches at the person in "defense". You're not solving any problem or defending yourself - you're just causing what was one person throwing matches around to become two - which isn't good for anyone.

Hopefully the analogy helped you understand a tad better why it makes no sense to flame back - even in defense. You claim you never flame, only "defend", but you wouldn't be punished if your defense wasn't negative or toxic in nature.

You aren't required to let people walk all over you. You are, however, required to not respond with negativity or arguing. If someone's making you mad in chat, mute them. Don't turn one Negative Nelly into two by arguing with them (what you call "trying to reason").

Kàźuya2 votes

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So, I don't think "mute and report" is so outrageous and ridiculous as you try to make it seem.

Imagine this. You see someone with a matchbox, lighting matches and throwing them at a house. Now, the matches are mostly extinguished before they get to the house (wind and throwing them makes them go out, say), but they still could start a fire. You have a few options - throw matches at that person, throw matches at the house with them, take the matchbox away from them, put up a wall between them and the house, or ignore it all. Of these, which is the best one? Of course it's to take the matchbox away from them (we're assuming you live in anarchy with no police) so they can't throw more matches. The second best? To put up a wall so no damage is caused by them throwing matches.

If you throw matches at that person? You're just starting a different fire, and fueling the potential harm - even if you don't set the person on fire by throwing matches. If you throw matches at the house with them (ex: lightly flaming someone who's doing bad), you're just "fueling the fire" so to speak. If you ignore it all? You're not helping the problem at all - but at least you're not contributing to it.

The good thing is there are police (Riot). That person throwing matches can be "arrested" (punished by Riot) and hopefully improve their behavior - or if not eventually end up permanently banned. So, now that we consider police to be a thing, which is the best option? We're also assuming you can't take the matches away from this person now - the police would get mad at you for doing that as it's technically theft (you can't unilaterally mute one person for everyone in a game, in the analogy). The best option is still to build that wall to block their attacks from your house - sure they can move on to another house, but hopefully those people will build walls (mute) as well. You then call the police and tell them what happened so the person can be arrested.

You don't throw matches at the person in "defense". You're not solving any problem or defending yourself - you're just causing what was one person throwing matches around to become two - which isn't good for anyone.

Hopefully the analogy helped you understand a tad better why it makes no sense to flame back - even in defense. You claim you never flame, only "defend", but you wouldn't be punished if your defense wasn't negative or toxic in nature.

You aren't required to let people walk all over you. You are, however, required to not respond with negativity or arguing. If someone's making you mad in chat, mute them. Don't turn one Negative Nelly into two by arguing with them (what you call "trying to reason").

Sorry I stopped reading what you are saying literally makes no sense since nobody is throwing matches its people talking via chat and your comparison is quite frankly just dumb and at what point did I say I flame back? infact if you read my post i specifically said I do not flame back.

Chermorg2 votes

You claim you don’t flame back, however, you say you “defend” yourself and you “try to reason”. Those are euphemisms (synonyms) for “retaliate” and “argue” - both of which are not appropriate behaviors. Using “nicer” words to describe your actions does not make them appropriate.

You would not have been punished if your chat was not negative. Hardcore flaming is not the only thing prohibited in League. Negativity of any kind - be it argumentative or combative attitudes, or giving up - those are all prohibited as well.

I’d also really recommend you try to understand the analogy - as you obviously aren’t getting it without the analogy and maybe it’ll help you understand why your actions are inappropriate.

DBS Ronovon2 votes

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You claim you don’t flame back, however, you say you “defend” yourself and you “try to reason”. Those are euphemisms (synonyms) for “retaliate” and “argue” - both of which are not appropriate behaviors. Using “nicer” words to describe your actions does not make them appropriate.

You would not have been punished if your chat was not negative. Hardcore flaming is not the only thing prohibited in League. Negativity of any kind - be it argumentative or combative attitudes, or giving up - those are all prohibited as well.

I’d also really recommend you try to understand the analogy - as you obviously aren’t getting it without the analogy and maybe it’ll help you understand why your actions are inappropriate.

Yeah, thats not the mentality of men/boys. Doesn't work in reality. If someone pushes you and you go and tell someone else, thats just teaching people not to stand up for themselves. What a great lesson to teach so many young men. When you get bullied, go and tell on them, and take the beating. lol... Appeal to authority much?

Chermorg2 votes

In fact that’s the mentality of virtually everyone I know.

You always claim in your posts that this is “normal” or “common” or “everyone” - yet you provide no proof for these claims that fly in the face of what psychology has proven time and time again. I would love to see your citations for these claims to reputable papers and/or what credentials you have to enable you to have authority in making these claims about what the common mentality is.

Kàźuya3 votes

Down votes without replies very productive.

Xidphel3 votes

So? They gave their answer. Same as the person who UPvoted. Logically, you should complain about THEM as well.

EvilxUndertonez1 votes

What if the upvote came after they made that comment?

DBS Ronovon1 votes

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Down votes without replies very productive.

lol there shouldn't be up and down votes, thats a trash system.

Kyaza1 votes

why do people find it so hard to stay quiet when trolls try to egg them on? just ignore them and do your best. the chances of getting matched with them again is basically 0

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