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Can i get banned for toxicity without using the in-game chat? (lack of communication post 14D Ban)

RenekTonsOfDmg·12/30/2017, 9:58:02 PM·1 votes·2,708 views

I'm just got hit by a 14 day ban that was deserved and that I completely assume.

But when i checked how people get permabanned (aka punished after 14 day ban) it seems like it can be for nearly nothing : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/fc0vO1pH-this-1-game-really-got-me-banned https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/UWZ4sEPY-14-day-suspension https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/52/6/1514670823-dlsllbawaaalqmm.jpg ( This guy was permabanned )

The system doesn't seem to understand or take in count your progress towards a non toxicity behavior. You can be the most toxic player before your 14 day ban and right after that the casual player who flames a little 1 game out of 10. No matter if you're in the average or even below the average in term of toxicity post the 14 day ban, if you talk once in chat and get reported for it you'll get permabanned.

So, what can I do to deal with that? am i forced to not be using chat for 3 months post my ban? and if I do is there any risk of unsportsman conduct because of lack of communication?

TL;DR : The riot punishement system don't care if you progressed in behavior, it insta perma after 1 report if you were banned 14 days during the last 3 Month. So do i have to completely stop using chat? Is it taking a risk?

Edit 1 : I know i'm not banned if i'm positive. But from what i've seen, i'm terrified of even trying to use chat post 14 day ban, some words could be badly interpreted.

16 Comments

ModThe Djinn12/30/2017, 10:15:38 PM8 votes

In one of the threads you linked, one player told another to kill himself. That's not being banned for nearly nothing. In the other a player with a previous 14-day ban called his jungler useless, told another player to fuck off, and spend considerable time blaming another teammate. That also isn't nothing, especially off of a 14-day ban.

If your chat is not problematic, you will not be punished.

Chermorg12/30/2017, 10:11:53 PM7 votes

The system does monitor your improvement. However, by not chatting at all, you aren't showing improvement - you're showing avoiding the problem. While this still factors into reform, I find it highly likely (while it hasn't been confirmed) that players who do not chat at all will not progress in honor very fast, and will likely not be considered "reformed" as fast as players who actually reform and use chat for good things.

Broken Bandle12/30/2017, 10:21:07 PM4 votes

I'm usually chilling on the boards and agree with most punishments, but if those phrases were really what got that fella the perma-ban hammer, I'd disable my chat forever. Seriously.

I'd have to bet that those are taken out of context in some light....like perhaps the player in question was someone who spends the entirety of their games making long winded typing/keyboard warrior paragraphs in the chat, clogging the information that players could actually use to win. Or maybe his first offense was a majour no no like a "kys" or racial/homophobic slur. We just don't know.

To answer your question: Not using the chat isn't a punishable offense. You should still use pings. You could mute all every game and then just put " gj" or " gg" after every game to bypass a pierced 'dodging' of the problem.

Butt Ρlug12/30/2017, 10:20:03 PM2 votes

You can be the most toxic player before your 14 day ban and right after that the casual player who flames a little 1 game out of 10.

This is the issue, when you've been banned before. RIOT expect you to understand that they don't want you to flame anymore, at all.

I don't get why you say that you don't use the in-game chat but you still flame 1 game out of 10. Even one game of dishonorable behavior can derail your progress. If you are being validly reported, it can slow your honor progress, up to virtually no progress being made. If you misbehave in games still, but it's too rare/infrequent for you to deserve a full-on punishment, you may still not be progressing in honor.

But to answer your question, yeah i'm sure you can be punished even if you don't use the chat at all, like if you spam pings/death timers and so on.

For me, if you still flame 1 game out of 10, you did not understand the first punishment and you should expect to be permabanned soon. You clicked on "I Agree" when you had your first punishment, but you don't seems to get what that means.

So, what can I do to deal with that? am i forced to not be using chat for 3 months post my ban? and if I do is there any risk of unsportsman conduct because of lack of communication?

You can still chat without being mean/toxic, it's not that complicated, the majority of players do that without any issues, just don't be mean to anyone. There is plenty of things you can say without any problems. I suggest you to read the summoner's code.

Modi12/31/2017, 2:36:55 AM2 votes

But when i checked how people get permabanned (aka punished after 14 day ban) it seems like it can be for nearly nothing

Punishments are not only based on severity, but they are also based upon consistency. If you show extremely negative behavior (racial slurs, homophobic statements, telling someone to harm themselves or others) your punishment can be escalated to an immediate 14-day ban. Once you are at that 14-day, you are on your last chance. Anything that would warrant a punishment (even things that would be a simple chat restriction) will get you banned.

Xurreal12/31/2017, 2:57:54 AM2 votes

Not specifically. But if you lack communication and end up playing against team needs frequently enough to be considered griefing (which is a form of toxicity) you can be punished. But I digress, as I am not trying to spook you.

No my man. You do what you have to do to stay focused on actions per minute instead of words per minute.

Because in the end, you doing the best you can is never punishable.