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How Toxicity can effect a player.

Hexcraft··16 votes·1,987 views

Edit: Some people seem to have this confused with me moaning because someone called me something in a game. No. This is me sharing my experiences to better help other players not be like me or the people I tell you about in this. In other words, it's to inform. Yes, Trolls are toxic players too. They don't make things better. And I understand that a lot of people go through this differently and that's okay. But if you have nothing positive to say or have not learned anything from this, please refrain from saying a word because you're not helping anyone. Thank you.

I am a League of Legends player. I have been playing this game since the end of 2014. Around the time when Lunar Goddess Diana came out. When I started this game, I was confused and even the simplest character at the time, Sona, I got frustrated playing. But I learned. I learned and dedicated my time to the game. This season I have reached Gold in very little time because I didn't spend all season trying to get there. So I’m proud of how far I’ve come.

However, League has been becoming less and less fun for me to play. Not because it’s repetitive or anything of the sort. The game is amazing and Riot does an amazing job at bringing new things to the table time and again. My problem lies with Toxicity.

League of Legends is constantly referred to as the most Toxic community, at least from what I’ve seen. I don’t know everyone, you know? But I know I have a friend who’s only reason for not playing the game is because the community is the way it is. And that’s not Riot’s fault, that’s the players. Riot shouldn’t have to take the fall for that, but sometimes I feel like they do because it’s is their game. It’s not fair but that’s life, I suppose.

I’m writing because well, I have something to say about the Toxicity. So many players get away with it because of how they word things or because what they said wasn’t “that bad”. I just had a game where a Kha’Zix player sat there and kept poking at me because I “missed” a Q that the enemy jungler predicted. And honestly, players like this are why I can’t get better with my own Toxicity.

No, I didn’t say anything bad to him. I muted him eventually so I could try to focus. However, one sentence is enough to send a player on a downward spiral because that’s where their focus is now. That one sentence. Because now they know they’re gonna be watched and poked at and they don’t want that.

I became a toxic player, not in a text chat, but in Voice calls. I’m trying to get better because this isn’t healthy. I can’t get better with people like that around and I’m sure many others can’t. I became a toxic player because of players like my ex.

He was supposed to teach me how to be a better ADC player. I mained Miss Fortune and I play her and Zyra today as a reminder that I am better than that. I used to dread playing Miss Fortune because I knew he was there playing Leona and if I messed up, I was yelled at and threatened and I didn’t want him to leave me over it. He would always poke at me when I used her E on minions and waste mana or when I zoned out because I was trying to learn how to last hit and he was going in.

Over time, I became less pleasant for my friends to be around and play with because I was becoming toxic. I began doing what he did and I started looking at everyone's mistakes and yelling at them for not thinking the way I was. For not knowing whatever plan I had in my head that I didn’t say verbally. Like him, I was expecting them to be in sync with me but they’re not me and I’m not him. And I realized that in a Zyra game. In this game, I was playing Zyra mid with him and his friends. He shunned me but his friends told him to be quiet because I nearly carried the game. Zyra became my favorite champion in the game because of what she stands for to me. For me, she represents a time where I surpassed my teacher not only in skill but in attitude.

Two years later, I left him because I finally taught myself to know better. I didn’t need that and no one else did either. It's been a year and several months since the day I left him and I’ve gotten better. But I still take my anger out on people when I play any competitive game. I used to play for fun but now I play because I want to get better. And I don’t want that anymore but it’s hard to get my mindset back to that.

No one else needs to deal with players like him. Players like the Kha’Zix. People who poke at others, regardless of if they cursed or whatever, should be handled too. I have a friend who purposely doesn’t word things certain ways when he’s being toxic because he knows the system won’t catch it. And he gets so proud and it’s so sad.

This will probably get an eyeroll or I’ll probably be told that nothing can really be done but still. It’s worth a shot to help people not get to the point I’m at with this problem.

Your words do matter. They can even traumatize people. Please, be mindful of what you say to a person so that they don’t become toxic. Though this is just me being hopeful, I do wish that this opens some eyes and helps people.

And to those who are trying to avoid the poking, mute them if they refuse to let it go. It’s just a game. You don’t need it to become part of you in a negative way.

43 Comments

Krigjer7 votes

My boyfriend was permanently banned for toxicity. I stopped playing with him long before that- the last straw was when he raged because I accidentally autoed a minion in the midst of a teamfight.

At least you have the insight to realize what you were becoming and try to fix it. All my boyfriend can do is yell at me that maybe if I was a better player, he would be having more fun. Toxic people are not enjoyable to be around. We no longer game together, and we've lost a once shared hobby because he's unable to control his temper. As a result, I don't tolerate raging of any kind.

Your words do matter. They can even traumatize people. Please, be mindful of what you say to a person so that they don’t become toxic.

People that think words don't matter concern me; it's scary to think that there are people out there with such little empathy they can't even grasp that concept.

Hexcraft5 votes

Yeah. It's not fun. I remember when I was learning to last hit and because I zoned out and didn't let him last hit the cannon, he'd literally sit there yelling at me and then leaving the call because he was childish.

I've met quite a few people who are single now but once were in the same situation. I'm not going to tell you what to do but I do hope you are careful. You are worth more than petty arguments over a video game that doesn't effect your life in anyway, sweetheart. If he can't see that, then I do wish you'd take a moment to really think if it's worth it.

When I came to that point, I sat down and I wrote a list of the good and the bad. I eventually wrote him a long letter. I told him that he may not want to admit it to himself because he doesn't like abuse and abusers, but that's what he was. He was emotionally and mentally abusive and I didn't want to deal with it anymore.

No one in this world should have to deal with feeling like they're the mess up because someone else can't own up to their problems. We're worth more than that.

XDarius godX1 votes

at start words does matter when someone insults you for the first time it hurts a little you argue you curse them back after 3 years of fighting back i realize that words are literally meaningless you can insult me how much you want i will insta mute you no point to argue no point to talk to you if you don't give advice to improve and only talk trash then its 100% pointless in the big picture i think that words has no power at all and its all matter of perception and personality

Hexcraft2 votes

That's how it is for you but its nor particularly the same for everyone. And ESPECIALLY when it's your boyfriend or girlfriend doing that to you. When it's someone you care about saying things like that to you, it hurts and scars in unimaginable ways and it sticks with you.

I'm not with my ex anymore and I haven't been for a while now. I have a new boyfriend who knows the damage he did and lifts me up when I get upset or have a panic attack. I feel amazing but that doesn't mean that when I miss cs or when I preform poorly, my ex's voice isn't echoing in my head. Every insult, every threat comes back to me and it haunts me.

Now, with players you don't know. Yes they don't matter but that doesn't mean it doesn't chip at you. Yes there is a mute button but some people can mute them and still wonder if they're talking shit or spamming ping and thoughts like that are really hard to silence in ones mind, you know?

Dying Instinct2 votes

I used to have a toxic duo, he was never toxic to me but would flame everyone else who made even a small mistake. I got so tired of it, I hated every game we played together. Eventually i started reporting him when he was too toxic. Call me a backstabber, but he needed those chat restrictions if he would ever stop. Eventually i just stopped duoing with him, and i guess we both moved on. These days i do my best to compliment teammates on their plays and encourage them when they make missteps. Also, not playing ranked but sticking normals has made the game so much more enjoyable for me.

Hexcraft1 votes

I'm glad you dealt with your friend that way. I don't think you're a backstabber at all. You did what you thought was right and hopefully it changed him. If not, that's really on him. I'm glad you're having better games now. c:

JacctheInsomniac5 votes

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Hexcraft2 votes

Thank you. It means a lot. But I honestly wouldn't change a thing. An experience is something to learn from and I've learned a lot from it. I just wish I didn't become like him when it was all said and done.

And yeah. I used to love this game. The first champion I played was Lissandra on free week and I was like "WHAT DO?"

Now I'm trying to farm level 7 on champions I know I'm good with because, while others believe that Level 7 is something simple and doesn't show your skill with the champion, I see it different. Because how you get the token is based on skill and improvement. You have to be better than you were, and I find that enjoyable. I have 7 champions down so far.

Basically, my enjoyment now comes from trying to do what I can to get better. I try to have fun and fool around every now and again, though. ALL YORDLES TEAM? HELLO?

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Falkentyne4 votes

Thank you. This is a good post. I always had problems with emotions. Having damage is what caused that many years ago. But this game turned me into a very bad person. Not the game itself, but all the hate from other people, all the anger, all the harassment. Literally everyone hates everyone in league of legends, unless everyone plays near perfectly and is always friendly all the time. And if you're the one doing really good, those same toxic players who are nice to you and worship you like a God, or Goddess, will turn their sights on someone else who is doing bad, while being nice and friendly to you.

Why does anyone want to be friends with someone who is really nice to them, but who hates everyone else when things don't go their way? People are just sad now. Very sad.

Right after typing this, I got BM'd by a toxic top laner for being TOWER DOVE AT LEVEL ONE By the enemy jungler. And now he's still flaming. I put him on ignore. But now I'm going to make him lose. I hate assholes who piss me off over mistakes. People are EVIL and SATANIC!!!!!!!!

Hexcraft2 votes

I don't know why but earlier I couldn't comment. Now I can, though I can barely remember what I said.

However, what I do know is that regardless of who's being toxic, you shouldn't purposely ruin the game because of other players. That IS reportable. The best thing to do is mute and ignore them to better calm yourself so that you take yourself out of that tilt because thats you being better than them, being better than what you could be. You know? That's why a lot of the times I don't type in chat unless I'm being silly with the other players or whatever.

No response is the best response. If you don't give them one, they give up.

captaincomando14 votes

Trollers are much worse then toxic players...I do not care if someone insult me on chat as longest as he gives his best to win game.Mute is real...But what can you do about troller or feeder? Get real kido

Hexcraft3 votes

Trolls are toxic players and they are just as wrong. But that wasn't the point I was making in what I said. I was pointing out, as someone who's been through it, what can happen from it. It wasn't so much insulting as it was just being an asshole. It's when people constantly poke at you, it eventually gets to you. Like if a Mother sat there complaining and saying her child "isn't worth shit". It eventually gets to that child and later in life, they have low self-esteem. This IS real.

Now if you're done being childish and assuming this is some kind of complaint, I'd really appreciate it if you tried to understand someone elses view outside of your own.

captaincomando11 votes

I get flamed million times and there is mute button.But when someone go 0 15 and I loose game ,that is frustrating because there is nothing I can do it to change situation.

Hexcraft1 votes

I understand that. I've had games like that, I've had friends do that. I remember one game it was a 3v5. I was on first time Yasuo, my friend was Wu. Our adc never connected so our jungler said "Oh no I'm not doing this not another afk" and then disconnected. But you know what? We won. We were careful, we planned out everything and eventually the adc did reconnect so we guarded him so he could catch up and then we won.

People who purposely feed are eventually worth no gold, and all you really need to do in the game is farm up. Farm is very important alongside your kills. As long as you're doing well in that and your team is getting objectives, kills don't really matter as much.

Like in war, someone doesn't just jump in. They have a tactical plan and it gets changed when needed. They work around anything that gets in the way so that they can meet their end goal.

And yeah sometimes it's just too much and honestly shame on that person. or People because premades can be asses too. But when you report someone, try giving detail to riot because it actually does help. When I started typing in what happened, they were getting punished for it for once and I've been doing that ever since.

AetherArising4 votes

As someone with Asperger's syndrome, a relatively moderate case at that, i can't say I've not lashed out many times at people. Most times justified, but not really warranted. Sure, people can be twats and they don't deserve the best, but that's not up to me to decide. That's up to riot's boundaries and trigger words.

I've stopped trying to communicate with my team for communications sake. Which, leads to my chats just being small talk or saying how absurd a burst was, which often triggers the hell out of people. Its a pain, every day, having people shouting at me for "not taking draft pick (not even ranked) seriously"

I get it, chat's there for communicating logic with your team, but as someone who was unlucky enough to be born with communication issues, that's just it. I can't convey strategies well enough to people by the chatbox. Most times i don't even use it, but even if i COULD say what i wanted to say, the right way, i still wouldn't.

why's that, you may ask?

People don't listen. NORMAL people don't listen. That's what i don't understand. I suppose i'm just in a low MMR, i only joined this year, but every time I've TRIED to communicate, people ignore it. Pings? Nope. Saying "BARON BARON BARON" in chat after getting a low-casualties ace, and all their carries will be down? NOPE!

Try as i might, trying to talk for ANY reason, with people here in bronze, is impossible. Most times you get toxics who start flaming because you're just chatting with the other teammates, telling you "Shut the fuck up and play" even when you're dead or AFK-walking to lane.

The other people will ignore pings or map awareness, and flame you for nothing. I've been playing Vi jungle, and in one game i was botside, clearing my red buff. My top laner starts pinging the flag for help, then dies, and says "WHAT THE FUCK, JUNGLER?"... i was literally mid red-buff and about a 1 and a half minute walk from top.

I start heading top so when he gets back we can plan an ambush, i take my blue as he walks up, then suddenly PING PING PING from botlane. Christ almighty, it was like running a daycare...

We won that game BARELY, but i got 0 honors, iirc. I did a lot to try and snowball and carry that game, and didnt flame back when the others were trying to goad me, which was tough enough. that was just the icing on the dirt-flavored cake.

Long story short, toxic people exist everywhere. I've been trying to get my friend into the game but the community is just too bad, he doesn't really want to only because of THAT

Hexcraft3 votes

Honestly, your ability to communicate isn't your fault. You did a wonderful job conveying your feelings to me. The problem with this is that communication works both ways. The part that's failing is your teams ability to listen and think about what they're doing before they do something. And unfortunately, as a jungler, you're going to get blamed for most things. TRUST me, I've been there. Everyone gets there. But if you ever find you need help, do feel free to add me! I'd love to be of help.

Falkentyne2 votes

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As someone with Asperger's syndrome, a relatively moderate case at that, i can't say I've not lashed out many times at people. Most times justified, but not really warranted. Sure, people can be twats and they don't deserve the best, but that's not up to me to decide. That's up to riot's boundaries and trigger words.

I've stopped trying to communicate with my team for communications sake. Which, leads to my chats just being small talk or saying how absurd a burst was, which often triggers the hell out of people. Its a pain, every day, having people shouting at me for "not taking draft pick (not even ranked) seriously"

I get it, chat's there for communicating logic with your team, but as someone who was unlucky enough to be born with communication issues, that's just it. I can't convey strategies well enough to people by the chatbox. Most times i don't even use it, but even if i COULD say what i wanted to say, the right way, i still wouldn't.

why's that, you may ask?

People don't listen. NORMAL people don't listen. That's what i don't understand. I suppose i'm just in a low MMR, i only joined this year, but every time I've TRIED to communicate, people ignore it. Pings? Nope. Saying "BARON BARON BARON" in chat after getting a low-casualties ace, and all their carries will be down? NOPE!

Try as i might, trying to talk for ANY reason, with people here in bronze, is impossible. Most times you get toxics who start flaming because you're just chatting with the other teammates, telling you "Shut the fuck up and play" even when you're dead or AFK-walking to lane.

The other people will ignore pings or map awareness, and flame you for nothing. I've been playing Vi jungle, and in one game i was botside, clearing my red buff. My top laner starts pinging the flag for help, then dies, and says "WHAT THE FUCK, JUNGLER?"... i was literally mid red-buff and about a 1 and a half minute walk from top.

I start heading top so when he gets back we can plan an ambush, i take my blue as he walks up, then suddenly PING PING PING from botlane. Christ almighty, it was like running a daycare...

We won that game BARELY, but i got 0 honors, iirc. I did a lot to try and snowball and carry that game, and didnt flame back when the others were trying to goad me, which was tough enough. that was just the icing on the dirt-flavored cake.

Long story short, toxic people exist everywhere. I've been trying to get my friend into the game but the community is just too bad, he doesn't really want to only because of THAT

thank you for your reply. Yes you guessed it I have asperger's syndrone too but it's far worse. I sent you an add in league if you don't mind. thank you.

CreampEye1 votes

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Hexcraft3 votes

I'd appreciate it if you took this down as it's not allowed on the forum. It is part of the Board of Universal Rules. Specifically the following part:

https://gyazo.com/1a2759c5cb0ed4257b759a0573bf1c73

CreampEye1 votes

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Hexcraft3 votes

I said no such thing about contacting authorities. I said that it's against The Board rules. Therefore, you'd have to deal with Riot.

Falkentyne3 votes

Don't worry I'll be fine. Just going to report the flamers. I've gotten MANY people banned this way. And it's always hilarious when they only get chat restricted and you add them and say "enjoy your chat restriction" while they make real life death threats and call you various names on the internet. Just shows how poorly parents raise their brats these days. I call it UNPARENTED.

(What's sad is, and why you should NEVER make friends with anyone in this game--those same people are the same ones who will worship you and call you a God and a beast, if you go 5/0 in 4 minutes...)

fucking creeps...

AmericanVenom2 votes

Once I started playing this game, I was never really good, then again no one knows what they are doing the first time they play a big game that takes a lot of understanding. I started to become a toxic player after a year of playing the game, I called people out on things they did wrong(in bot matches), and now looking back at it, I feel really bad for what I said and did, I was not banned at all nor punished even tho I was to get some kinda punishment. Right now this is my 6th year of playing this game and after a year of being toxic, I woke up and saw what I was doing. Right now Im silver V and a PBE member, trying to become the best player I can be, hoping one day, ill hit plat or diamond. Don't be the guy I was 5 years ago, don't be a toxic player, because all your doing is causing you team to loss hope in themselfs. Being a helpful teammate will always pay off and riot gives rewards and thanks you for you good sportsmanship. Stay positive, be the good guy, not the bad guy.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I really do love this game, but like you said it's community gets in the way. I've just gotten to the point where I don't care about toxicity, and just try to focus. Most of the time though, I get in the middle of something that probably shouldn't be my problem. When someone is being toxic to a teammate, I try to be this voice of reason and say stuff like "lets just calm down and play" or "hey don't worry about it, we're not done yet." I honestly don't mute anyone because I kinda find some toxicity humorous. Like "does that guy actually think like that? What's up with him?" While I can get incredibly mad at some games, I try my best to keep it to myself, and take personal responsibility. Like yea, that we did bad, but it was my fault to. I almost never flame someone, even when it's not my fault I keep my mouth shut. There will always be another game anyway. In fact nothing is better than playing another round after a bad one, and having a group of nice guys in this game. Even if we lost, I had a good time, and we all tried to work together. I have met some of the nicest people ever in this game, and when I do it gets me excited for another round. Heck, today we had a leaver on our team, and we played around it very well. We were all friendly with each other, we talked strategies, and we constantly rotated to make up for the loss of a mid laner. We actually won.

Hexcraft2 votes

I don't know why but I can't get to that point where I just don't care. It's hard for me. So I just mute them. If I need to communicate, that's what pings are for. I just.. I dunno. I think what makes it worse is that people spend so much time pointing out everyone elses mistakes that they fail to recognize their own. I have a friend (whom used to be an Udyr main, then a Kat main, and then a Kayn main, and now seems to be hella playing Kha) who, despite what everyone else says, sits there and believes he's right. You could present him absolute facts and he will tell you you're wrong. He believes he's worthy of Gold and his excuse is that he "doesn't play that often" when its brought up that he isn't.

But the reason he isn't is because he plays for himself. He plays for himself and gets toxic in chat to teammates and purposely tries to tilt the enemy team. It's always you did this and you did that instead of "I could have done this" or "should have done that".

One time we had an argument. I was playing jungle and he was mid. It was the first minute and 30 seconds. When I play mid lane, I sit in the river bush or near river to make sure that no one invades because I'd like my jungler to be able to do his first camp safely. He disagrees saying that it's stupid and wastes his time and that he wouldn't have been able to get to lane on time.

It takes but a few seconds to walk from beside river to the mid lane. Not only do you not miss anything, but you're assisting your jungler. And he refused to accept that it wasn't a big deal.

We lost that game because the enemy jungler kept invading my jungle and he never came to help. Yes, I warded and I did everything I could to farm and help but I was so behind and he was tilted because he got camped.

Mandalorian 1172 votes

I don’t really know what to tell you. I grew up with very annoying and sometimes hurtful people, and I hate being a burden on others so I also kind of taught myself to take personal responsibility when something I’m a part of goes wrong. Maybe I’ve already grown accustomed to it by the time I started playing this game.

I did have someone like you’re mid laner today. He played ivern and I was getting my rear end handed to me on a silver platter by the enemy Sion. Their jungler Shen also really liked my lane. First time he said anything was when I lost lane. Then in one team fight I got a double kill, then in the next I made a miscalculation, and got killed. Then he gets mad at me. He ganked me once, by coming from my turret instead of river, and later caused me to get killed because he demanded I go in. I did realize that bot and mid wasn’t doing so hot either, so he did have to occupy them. I guess I was the target for his venting because I actually lost lane before everyone else did. Yea it sucked, but a part of me felt better knowing that nobody was doing well either.

All I can really say is to try and stay positive, try not to let others get into your head, and just try to be better than them. Bad advice I know, but it’s gotten me through some atrocious matches.

Hexcraft2 votes

It's not bad advice at all. It's perfect.

Falkentyne1 votes

Personal attacks against members of this forum are not allowed, neither are witch hunt nor are posting private conversations. If you have a problem with me, take it to the FBI or to donald trump. Until then--fuck off.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

lol what? This post isn't about you....

Hexcraft1 votes

He's talking about one of the comments. Someone is personally attacking him and putting out links and what not to harass him. I tried to tell the person that it's against the forum rules but they don't care.

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

This really speaks to me. I've been trying to work on my own toxicity issues, and it... I dunno how to phrase it, but it's hard to catch yourself in the heat of the moment, ya know?

I turned off All Chat because I had a bad habit of bitching out the enemy laner or the enemy jungler if I got ganked or killed too much. And if one of my allies criticizes my choices or calls me bad, God help everyone, because suddenly I'm typing as fast as I can to ream them out for being "mouthy".

What strikes me as weird, is that League is the only game I'm toxic like this in. MMOs, I don't get like that. Overwatch or Heroes of the Storm, I don't get like that. It's just League. Something about League is just tied to the bitterest angriest pettiest parts of my damn soul. And I can't really ever seem to just... stop playing, I try to leave, then I come back and the cycle begins again.

I don't know what the answer is. I'm just trying to stop being such a massive fucking %%%%, one game at a time.

Hexcraft2 votes

For me, its anything competitive outside MMOs. I love MMOs. They keep me relaxed. I recently started playing DC Universe Online (my first real mmo as a kid) with a bunch of friends so it's kept me off league a bit.

When I play league and someone is being rude to me in text chat, I try to speak as politely as possible and if they're still going I mute them. When I'm alone, I play the game really quiet and I focus on myself. When I do bad, I'm the one beating myself up about it so I don't need comments from the peanut gallery (i.e the Kha'Zix I was talking about). But when I'm in voice call, especially one with my current boyfriend, I go off. I go off on him like my ex did to me and it hurts me. It hurts me to the point where I debate if I should leave him because he won't admit this isn't healthy and I know it isn't and then he calms me down and relaxes me and tells me it's okay.

So what I've been doing lately is just muting my own mic. My friend said that this doesn't work and he swore he's been in game with me without a voice call and I'm still toxic but he never has. When I know my mic is muted, I go back to that calm and polite state I'm in when I'm playing alone. I don't really talk in the chat unless I need to say something to respond to the VC but otherwise, I'm getting focused.

If you want, we can try some technique's together. Feel free to add me.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I feel both your pain. It's hard, because a lot of the time teammates will say stuff or do stuff that is super irritating.

I've actually written an entire post about how to more effectively communicate with teammates while also avoiding being toxic.

I dunno if it will help you but if you're interested feel free to give it a read, it may prove useful.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Hexcraft1 votes

Thank you very much! I'll read it asap.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

I hope it helps you, and feel free to ask me any questions or ideas. It's a topic close to my heart and I am quite passionate about it, so I have a lot I can say about it if you need to know more.

Hexcraft1 votes

Would you mind if I added you on League? c:

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Sure, go for it! I play intermittently a few nights a week. And occasionally during the day.

Also just a disclaimer, I may know what to do, but I'm not at actually that great at doing it sometimes.

Hexcraft1 votes

No problem. I'm the same way. c:

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

I don't voice chat much, but I don't mind taking you up on that offer. Thanks!

AuugisLTU1 votes

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HalcyonDweller2 votes

You don't sound superior, you just sound like someone trying too hard to sound superior.

Instead of making fun of people for sharing their experiences how about you share some of yours in turn?

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