How do we get trolling under control?

WholeySchist·Feb 27, 2020·1 votes·2,922 views

Title, honestly. Time and time again I'm getting games where junglers will not attempt one objective, int to a lane (not obviously, but in way that you can tell they did it on purpose) and then afk split push while the enemy team dominates. I report it every time, but nothing is ever done. I'm done playing league until they can fix the trolls. Tired of putting hour after hour into a game and lose because of people trolling (yes, obviously I have bad games too, but this is different).

10 Comments

rujitraFeb 27, 20206 votes

What do you mean "not obviously, but in way that you can tell they did it on purpose"? If they did it where it is obvious they did it on purpose, it's inting. If it's not clear they did it on purpose, it's not. You don't get to say that you're some magic omniscient being who "can tell" - it's either clear to an unbiased third party (i.e. a Riot employee/support agent) or it's not. You are not somehow better at this than an unbiased third party - and in fact, by being in the game, you're the last person who should be "trusted" to determine inting.

Someone not going for objectives does not make them a troll. Having poor jungle pathing does not make them a troll. If they're dead, on the top side of the map, it isn't warded, etc. and the enemy jungler happens to get it first, that's not trolling, that's losing in skill as a team. The jungler is not the only person with responsibility for dragon/rift herald. If you are bot lane, you should be ensuring vision of not the pit but the paths to the pit. If the enemy jungler starts to try and solo dragon, you go make them stop it. If the enemy team starts to fight dragon (i.e. including mid and/or bot lanes), then that's a failure of your lanes to provide pressure. None of that is the jungler's fault.

Split pushing against a team that is heavily dominating is the right call 99% of the time. When it becomes clear that 5v5 fights don't end in your favor, why would they keep doing them? You know the saying "he who repeats his actions expecting a different result is a....."? Well it applies here. Your jungler saw that you weren't winning 5v5s and weren't making any progress by grouping all 5 together - so they tried something different. You'd rather them just sit with you and let the enemy keep chipping away at your towers until they win?

Nightsky PirateFeb 28, 20203 votes

Solid logic, would like to have a generalized version in its own thread to link to when more people inevitably wail about people not doing what they want in game.

IainG10Feb 28, 20203 votes

It is entirely possible to do thing intentionally but not obviously; now, I'm not saying that's what's been happening in OP's games, but just to clarify the point.

Though it's quite hard to think of something specific to LoL, if I took Blitzcrank, and:

Used all my Relic Charges on Caster Minions
Then took Siege Minions with no Relic Charge ready
Used Q (without then using E or R) to hook the enemy engage on top of my ADC for the entire game
Only warded the Side Bush in Bot Lane (the one near the Inner Tower) I would definitely be trolling, but it could be passed off as a bad game, but only to someone who didn't know how to Support. However, I imagine the IFS wouldn't be able to spot it, because I doubt the IFS has a nuanced enough understanding of how to play to understand what I was doing: I'm clearly warding, using my Support Item, engaging with my hook; I'm very definitely not AFK; but in reality I'm wasting my wards and Relic Charges, denying my ADC farm, and then directly attempting to get them caught and killed.

Now, that took me quite a while to think up, I have no intention of testing it, and I doubt it applies to OP's example (especially considering how many Junglers are provided by Autofill); but to say it's completely impossible sets a dangerous mindset.

WholeySchistFeb 28, 20202 votes

Split pushing when their running 5 down mid with baron buff is not the right choice, especially if you are playing a champ with poor wave clear and bad tower damage, but are good peel for your team in a fight. And things like this happening after running it down and going 0/8 and dying to a bunch of 3v1's, ignoring pings, not ganking, etc. Please, it's obvious, but it's not enough for riots auto-mod to ban.

rujitraFeb 28, 20201 votes

That's your opinion. There's a reason you aren't ranked number 1 player in NA, or even above Diamond. You are not always right. There is nothing obvious here except the fact that you think you're better than everyone else.

Kei143Feb 27, 20205 votes

First step is to not assume people are trolling. Instead, understand that people's macros are bad.

We aren't talking about bad game, we are saying that they are straight up bad, and being bad is not trolling nor inting.

Ph03n1xb1rdFeb 28, 20201 votes

First step is to not assume people are trolling

And poof, there are no more trolls!

Kei143Feb 28, 20201 votes

Well, it won't eliminate all trolls, but it will drastically reduce the amount rate from "once every other game" (as so many of these troll ragers claim) to maybe like. .. 1 in 100 games?

Pretty effective tool.

If we are going from OP's title, I would consider going from 1/2 to 1/100 as grtting it under control.

huhndogFeb 28, 20202 votes

Many times i find that people react this way because they are being flamed heavily by another player and are too tilted to think rationally. My recommendation is to try to be very supportive to your teammates. Praise a teammate if they make a good play or decision; this will untilt that person and get them back into the game. Look at sky william's solo game youtube videos for better reference.