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First offense intentional feeding - Why 14 days?

Clemmel·6/15/2019, 1:24:39 AM·6 votes·2,112 views

It's the summer, my friends are on and I'm having a great time on league, usually 6 hours a day after work.

I just want to play a calm game of normals on Yuumi , and chill with my 3 queue.

Player X instantly flames me for picking Yuumi after ban phase. An enemy dodges.

We get in champ select with the same Player X, who team bans Yuumi after I declare my intent to play her again.

Now upset that he banned my Yuumi, I feed his lane hard as TahmKench, fighting toxicity with toxicity.

I make friends with some enemies as we dance in baron pit, my teammates are laughing about it and the game is at very least entertaining to everyone except Player X who has been continuously flaming me in chat.

Shortly after an 0/23 game I receive a 14 day ban.

Sure, I hard int'ed. Yes I think a suspension is in order.

Here's what I don't think is fair.

I've been around since season 2, and have been an Honor 3 player without any prior suspensions or warnings. I know the typical response in this community and when dealing with Riot is "We have 0 tolerance, you broke the rules, you're a negative impact on the game, go take your ban and play in the streets". That said, I would wager it's almost certain that I've spread more positivity in this game than negativity. I'm not going to go out of my way to ruin someone's day unless they're being toxic. Obviously int'ing a lane and being toxic isn't a 'good' way to do that. But damn! I don't think anybody who ints for the first time is aware that it's a 2 week ban no questions asked. I've been playing for years and that's not something I've bothered to research. If I had known that an automated system was going to come along, look at the one game I had in a sour mood and kick me off the game for 14 days during some prime summer nights, I never would've done it. Two weeks may not seem like a long time to some players, but I'm playing with friends every single day for multiple hours... 14 days hurts.

So my questions are:

  1. What do you think a justified ban for this scenario is?

  2. Should players who are 'new' to toxic behavior receive warnings before action is taken?

EDIT:

Not sure why this is attracting many downvotes, I merely presented a scenario and some questions. The best way for Riot to hear about potential improvements to their system is reading a productive discussion. Don't downvote everything I write because I inted, if there's a case to be heard by the lesser heard side, at least provide a refutation.

37 Comments

KFCeytron6/15/2019, 1:29:06 AM15 votes

It's supposed to hurt. Don't int.

Umbral Regent6/15/2019, 1:37:22 AM8 votes

To answer your questions directly before saying anything else;

  1. What do you think a justified ban for this scenario is?

I'd say that the 14-day ban is justified here. The punishment ladder consists of two chat restriction tiers (10-game and 25-game) then two ban tiers (14-day and permanent), so it only makes sense that a gameplay-related offense receives a punishment that's actually appropriate.

  1. Should players who are 'new' to toxic behavior receive warnings before action is taken?

In general, I'd say yes. But in this case; no. Players shouldn't need to be warned that deliberately sabotaging the match for their team and intentionally feeding isn't welcome behavior. If their offense was more modest and/or infrequent, like insulting players or low-key negativity, I'd consider a warning perfectly reasonable.

But for egregious offenses like trolling or intentionally feeding, a warning should not be needed.

Another issue that's brought up, albeit not presented as a question, is prior positive behavior being stacked against recent negative behavior. It's not a wholly uncommon argument, but, here's how I see it;

Previous good behavior should not exempt players from punishment for breaking the rules. There's already a fair bit of leeway for players who aren't really bad (it takes quite a bit to reach the first chat restriction, outside of hardcore flaming), and egregious offenses (such as hate speech, int-feeding, trolling, etc.) should always take precedence over prior positive behavior.

Because whatever previous positive behavior you've shown should only be factored in to your punishment as the expectation for how you should behave, not as a safety net for if your behavior falls under that line where it's no longer acceptable. If you're positive, sportsmanlike, and good-natured, then it's expected of you to keep being such, but that's about as far as it goes in the event that you deviate into negative, unsportsmanlike conduct.

The 14-day ban is definitely meant to hurt; it's supposed to be a decisive punishment that warns players that ruining the game for other players through gameplay means (trolling, intentional feeding) won't be tolerated, no matter the reason, and it should give ample time to think about how you got there; what led you to misbehave, how you could've done better, and how you'll improve going forward.

GatekeeperTDS6/15/2019, 1:42:21 AM5 votes

Not even reading your post.

First offense intentional feeding - Why 14 days?

Because you're allowed to intentionally feed in zero games. That's none. No games. Ignorance of the punishment is no excuse, you knew it was against the rules.

THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE STICKIED SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT INTERS GET PUNISHED.

Extricate6/15/2019, 3:55:22 AM4 votes

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Telephone Booth6/15/2019, 1:31:13 AM3 votes

Youre lucky its not a perma dude. Most people would support a permaban i think. Inting is the scummiest shit. Flame can be muted. I dont wanna play a game against an inter. Whats fun about that? League is supposed to be a competition. Play fortnite if you think dancing sprites is somehow funny. I could be wrong about most people, but I would definitely be fine if you got straight permabanned. Though, I guess its courteous to at least give people a warning with a 14 day ban before straight up permabanning them. Also, summer nights? Whats the difference when youre spending your nights indoors?

4G PnutCollida6/15/2019, 1:31:34 AM3 votes

I mean, you blatantly inted and practically ruined the game for everyone so...

Imperial Pandaa6/15/2019, 1:41:58 AM2 votes

  1. Justified punishment - 14 day first offense. Would say perm, but I believe in second chances.

  2. Chat Restrictions are the "Hey! You are doing wrong" for chat. Would something before that with a single honor plip loss be useful? Maybe. Int feeding/trolling/griefing? You shouldn't need to be told "Hey, don't lose on purpose."

zPity6/15/2019, 1:52:19 AM1 votes

A penalty for one game is independent of your past and future behavior. It's simple, you broke the rules in your one game (since toxicity vs toxicity is clearly not allowed) and received a penalty.

players will enjoy you being off the rift for 14 days

p.s.

don't get on your smurf either.

Timethief496/15/2019, 1:34:34 AM1 votes

Chat restrictions wouldnt be appropriate since its not a chat connected offense. Since it couldnt have happend by accident and is pretty obviously against the summoners code riot feels like this one warning in form of the 14 day ban is sufficient, which I agree with. Watch out, next punishment is a permanent one.