Riot's Punishment is not Justice

kittenCorn·Dec 21, 2017·2 votes·1,131 views

I'll just do this here for those who apparently like to just skim and assume.

TLDR:

This is my witness account of an interaction between two players during an unranked blind game.

The player that I reported as being toxic because they ruined the game for me - forced me to play out a frustrating and completely unappealing game... And I got no notification that anything happened to him. But my husband gets a chat restriction? If he got one I want to know why I did not receive a notification that the player who started everything was punished as well.

I really dislike Riot's inability to properly handle or even RECOGNIZE true toxic verbal behaviour.

I played a game with my husband last night where he supped and it was a rough game. But throughout, our top laner stupidly FED the enemy top laner (Teemo vs Zed). At one insistence during the game I actually watched Teemo literally stay in place, invis, not attacking when Zed appeared, knew exactly where he was and killed him. Absolutely nothing was said to Teemo about this actual instance of feeding in game. But when my husband went top to try and help sustain the lane, Zed, who at that point was 9/1 against an 0/6 Teemo... Jumped him while he was warding. The dude playing Teemo then completely flamed my husband and incorrectly stated that he was under Zed's tower, feeding him a kill. My husband and I were confused as to why he was upset for my husband's first death to Zed, only due to him attempting to aid the lane Teemo was sorely losing. My husband then said rightly that he had no business flaming anyone else on the team for any reason and asked him to drop it. Teemo wouldn't drop it and eventually as fed Zed's do, he raped everybody continuously and I was quite fed up and wanted to ff. But because the other 3 players on the team were together, in the same house, playing, they refused. I even wrote in chat that this was not a fun game and I wanted to just move on. Eventually we won because neither my husband nor I stopped fighting and pushing objects or defending, but it took nearly an hour of my time, was painful and way more difficult than it needed to be. Win at all costs, including fun, is not why I play League... The player, playing Teemo and subsequently the other two players made this game completely unenjoyable and toxic for me. And to top it all off my husband is now being punished for that game.

I should also mention that two of these three other players attempted to call bot lane, after we did and then cursed us out with the C word, saying that this was bullshit. Eventually he tried to shrug off his blow up and inappropriate cursing as joke... But all throughout the game we were left wondering if these guys were retaliating because they didn't get the lane they initially wanted.

When my husband logged in today. He ended up with a chat restriction... And I can pretty much guarantee you it's because the other players reported him, merely because they were all together. They sent him a copy of his chat that was actually throughout the entire 52 minute game but was without ANY CONTEXT. None of Teemo's flaming or even Zed's agreement that Teemo fed him kills consistently. And if you read that line of text all at once it sounds worse than it actually was because this was throughout the entirety of the game and completely one sided. Which in case you missed: WAS 52 MINUTES of my life that I can't get back. He didn't curse him out, call him bad player or insult him as a person. It was literally just frustration and him asking Teemo to drop the subject or be reported for being toxic. He had not addressed Teemo at all until Teemo flamed him. Oh and by the way, at 42 minutes into the game Teemo was 2/16/0. At this point Zed was 35/6/9. We were literally held hostage to playing this game out because the three of them were playing together in the same house.

When we actually could, you know, honor enemy players for being fun to play against or just good... He was awarded the honorable opponent icon the previous season for having received some of the highest number of votes. We also regularly would honor our opponents and teammates (and more than one teammate). It was something we could look forward to at the end of a FUN game.

I know I'm not the only person that thinks Riot is unbelievably biased... But this chat restriction was completely undeserved in this instance. In the past there have been games where everybody was unbelievably frustrated and if this is seriously the standard that gets someone a chat restriction WE ALL should have received it. Most of all the player who started everything. I want to know why the punishment was not given equally.

I don't understand. This whole situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I can honestly say I am not ever going to try and get my friends to play League... I also will not invest my hard earned money into this game any longer. I will actively tell people not to play because Riot has no rhyme or reason to their punishment system and why should I submit my friends and family to that?

The chat log I have access to:

Game 1 Veigar: thickass bot lane Veigar: ... Veigar: ff at 15 yea? Veigar: why? Veigar: this isnt fun, your top laners ganked bot Veigar: eh? Veigar: I didnt die chasing him Veigar: he jumped me Veigar: and you've fed him Veigar: so maybe a mirror would help shut up your toxic? Veigar: I was not at his tower Veigar: are you blind? Veigar: you're 0/6/0 Veigar: and you're mad I died once? Veigar: toxic. Veigar: ... no I didn't. Veigar: drop it and dont be toxic, asking nicely. Veigar: you went off on me Veigar: so drop it Veigar: reporting you for feeding and toxic griefing Veigar: enjoy Veigar: nice fight guys Veigar: fun exchange Veigar: yea? Veigar: zed's too fed Veigar: ... thats no excuse? Veigar: ive owned plenty of zeds. Veigar: 24/3 fed? no Veigar: theyre just fucking around. Veigar: you guys trying to win? my team wont ff, and have had to deal with a toxic teemo. Veigar: you bitched me out for dying to zed in the river by his tribush. Veigar: when he was already 9/1 Veigar: I asked you to drop it nicely, but you refused. Veigar: and you guys are a 3 man and wont ff Veigar: I was in the edge of the river by his tribush NOT under his fucking tower like YOU said Veigar: no not ffing is fine, thats not toxic, you berating me endlessly was Veigar: they'll read the chat bro, you did say it. Veigar: nothing else matters. Veigar: you fed, wont ff, and were toxic after feeding? Veigar: I am playing Veigar: its 40 mins you have 1 kill and 14 deaths no assists, troll Veigar: but you went off on me for dying to a 9/1 zed once. Veigar: thats my issue, was always my issue Veigar: its irrational anger Veigar: what have I done thats toxic? Veigar: so talking is toxic? Veigar: wp zed Veigar: nj yall. bot lane you guys were rough:) Veigar: I thought poppy had you, heh Veigar: doh nj Veigar: wp Veigar: you're still being rightfully reported Veigar: wasnt fun dealing with you Veigar: winning doesnt trump FUN Veigar: dont defend him Veigar: hes wrong

51 Comments

Eternal TormentDec 21, 201716 votes

You are right. Riot's Punishment is not justice. it is Order. everyone follows the rules equally, there is no such Thing as defender and cultprit, no right and wrong.

Yknow how castiel says it. "he who speaks false words shall choke on his own tongue and his poisonous words shall betray him"

daily lesson learned. dont try to be the tougher Person. be the bigger Person and just walk away.

NocturnalSheildDec 21, 20172 votes

^This.

Plus your quitting the game and refusing to spend money because you got chat restricted once???

LyndrisDec 21, 20174 votes

HA, that reference is not only awesome, but accurate!

######I might steal that like I stole "Part of the problem or part of the game" froms someone else

Eternal TormentDec 21, 20172 votes

It isn't stealing if it never belonged to someone

######i just blew your mind

LyndrisDec 21, 20171 votes

Technically correct. However I was referring to stealing the idea/usage of it, not the quote itself.

######Not really, but good try

Eternal TormentDec 21, 20171 votes

######how can mirrors be real, if our eyes arent real

LyndrisDec 21, 20171 votes

######Seeing is not believing, Believing is seeing

mylittlep0wneeDec 22, 20171 votes

Bull, everyone says the same trash.. I'm sure if I spoke to you in real life the way some people in the game speak. you would lose it. And then we all come in this thread and act all holier than thou.

2 weeks since my chat restriction. Not playing this game anymore. BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME. Taking the time to better my life and spend it with my wife and family.

Eternal TormentDec 22, 20171 votes

You say i would lose it because you judge based on the only Thing you know. generalism. "everyone is the same" "noone is different" "humans are all assholes" and guess what? you would be dead wrong.

i wouldn't lose it. i would get to my knees and cry myself into a lethal state of Depression thanks to my weak heart. but thats a topic for another day.

If it is the best Thing happened to you? fine and well, glad you are doing better now. But people are not you. and to some people it helps to be confronted with it. you chose to take space, others would choose to press on. to each their own.

BlutseucheDec 28, 20171 votes

The bible has some good quotes.

YerroFeverDec 21, 20172 votes

You say this is a chat restriction, which is the lightest form of punishment... I think Riot is trying to nip bad behavior in the bud here.

At least you didn't get a temp ban?

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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You say this is a chat restriction, which is the lightest form of punishment... I think Riot is trying to nip bad behavior in the bud here.

At least you didn't get a temp ban?

Which is understandable if it's actually "bad" behaviour. But in this instance I don't think it is. He was getting flamed and told the guy he had no grounds to say anything and asked him to stop. Yes at this point there is the option to mute as everyone is saying but how do you justify reporting the person if you have no ability to even see what he's saying?

But my opinion aside, the issue really is that he's a good player and even when frustrated doesn't flame the players who are doing poorly but he's the one being punished. If all you get is 4 strikes then this is now 1 out of 4 for him. Plus he's lost his honor ranking, can't earn it back because it's locked and won't end up getting any rewards. If I actually thought he deserved it I wouldn't have posted anything.

Oh and also why wasn't there a notification that the player that started everything and made the game toxic to begin with was punished?

YerroFeverDec 21, 20172 votes

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Which is understandable if it's actually "bad" behaviour. But in this instance I don't think it is. He was getting flamed and told the guy he had no grounds to say anything and asked him to stop. Yes at this point there is the option to mute as everyone is saying but how do you justify reporting the person if you have no ability to even see what he's saying?

But my opinion aside, the issue really is that he's a good player and even when frustrated doesn't flame anybody but he's being punished. If all you get is 4 strikes then this is now 1 out of 4 for him. Plus he's lost his honor ranking, can't earn it back because it's locked and won't end up getting any rewards. If I actually thought he deserved it I wouldn't have posted anything.

You can report based on what you have already seen and just disregard the rest.

For example, say someone said in game "go kys you n - - - - r f - - - - t" to me. At that point, I would just mute the person and report them. It doesn't matter what else they said because they used hate speech and kys. Whatever they say afterwards just adds to the log that the system sees. Same thing for flaming and harassing. Once you feel like they've crossed the line of being frustrated over to flaming and harassing you, mute them and report them because they've already flamed and harassed you. Muting them doesn't undo their actions. They've figuratively punched your retinas with flames and harassment. Muting them doesn't undo that figurative retinal punch.

Once they've hit the threshold where they need to be reported, it doesn't matter if you see further harassment or not. The mute is a defensive measure for you to protect you as a last resort and IMO, the report threshold means you've reached the last resort line.

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Also by bad behavior, I meant flaming someone back. Just because someone flames you, doesn't mean you should flame them back because typically that leads to escalation rather than cooperation. If you just stop responding, it might lead to people focusing on their game because they no longer get a response from you and realize their BS isn't worth typing anymore.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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You can report based on what you have already seen and just disregard the rest.

For example, say someone said in game "go kys you n - - - - r f - - - - t" to me. At that point, I would just mute the person and report them. It doesn't matter what else they said because they used hate speech and kys. Whatever they say afterwards just adds to the log that the system sees. Same thing for flaming and harassing. Once you feel like they've crossed the line of being frustrated over to flaming and harassing you, mute them and report them because they've already flamed and harassed you. Muting them doesn't undo their actions. They've figuratively punched your retinas with flames and harassment. Muting them doesn't undo that figurative retinal punch.

Once they've hit the thresh hold where they need to be reported, it doesn't matter if you see further harassment or not. The mute is a defensive measure for you to protect you as a last resort and IMO, the report thresh hold means you've reached the last resort line.

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Also by bad behavior, I meant flaming someone back. Just because someone flames you, doesn't mean you should flame them back because typically that leads to escalation rather than cooperation. If you just stop responding, it might lead to people focusing on their game because they no longer get a response from you and realize their BS isn't worth typing anymore.

Of course. But what is the threshold? Why is there nothing quantified for players? I mean the serious stuff like what you mentioned is completely obvious (at least to me) but nothing even remotely close to that happened in our situation. So where and how do you distinguish everything else?

I did post the chat log. Do you consider that to be flaming the other player back?

I don't think it's right for riot to say self defense is unacceptable even if you are civil about it. They can't take that away from someone. I mean it's a game based on communication. So now if I'm harassed I'm supposed to just not communicate at all because I can't respond without fear of punishment?

YerroFeverDec 21, 20172 votes

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Of course. But what is the threshold? Why is there nothing quantified for players? I mean the serious stuff like what you mentioned is completely obvious (at least to me) but nothing even remotely close to that happened in our situation. So where and how do you distinguish everything else?

I did post the chat log. Do you consider that to be flaming the other player back?

I don't think it's right for riot to say self defense is unacceptable even if you are civil about it. They can't take that away from someone. I mean it's a game based on communication. So now if I'm harassed I'm supposed to just not communicate at all because I can't respond without fear of punishment?

I started feeling your anger seeping out in passive aggressive comments and talking about how someone fed a few times (whether directly calling it feeding or calling out their KDA) and you were being excessively negative and you were trying to get everyone to surrender (which I totally understand where you're coming from but the way you were suggesting it was fairly confrontational).

Honestly, I would call this mild flaming but more on the excessive negativity and honestly, it's just a 10 game chat restriction. It's not the end of the world.

As for the threshold... it really depends on the person. I'm fairly calm when it comes to dealing with flamers in league. I've played for years and I can see the patterns of people trying to passive aggressively flame or sarcastically flame and when they have their second instance of intentional flaming, I mute, report and move on and I've gotten a lot of those notifications that someone I reported got punished.

If you don't like that approach and are still unsure of when you should mute and report them, try "when you want to press enter because you're going to type an angry response" is a good time to mute and also probably when you should report them... and also don't respond to them. Don't send that angry response. Just mute and report and move on and try to keep your head in the game. I know it's a LOT easier said than done but unfortunately not everyone we encounter will be a nice person. Just take a breath and recenter yourself and then get back to winning.

EDIT: also, honor rebuilds over time and you're only truly locked out about 3 months before the end of the season and you've been 2 week banned. You will get rewards if you regain honor over time and show you're improving. We're still in pre season, don't worry about the honor rewards.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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I started feeling your anger seeping out in passive aggressive comments and talking about how someone fed a few times (whether directly calling it feeding or calling out their KDA) and you were being excessively negative and you were trying to get everyone to surrender (which I totally understand where you're coming from but the way you were suggesting it was fairly confrontational).

Honestly, I would call this mild flaming but more on the excessive negativity and honestly, it's just a 10 game chat restriction. It's not the end of the world.

As for the threshold... it really depends on the person. I'm fairly calm when it comes to dealing with flamers in league. I've played for years and I can see the patterns of people trying to passive aggressively flame or sarcastically flame and when they have their second instance of intentional flaming, I mute, report and move on and I've gotten a lot of those notifications that someone I reported got punished.

If you don't like that approach and are still unsure of when you should mute and report them, try "when you want to press enter because you're going to type an angry response" is a good time to mute and also probably when you should report them... and also don't respond to them. Don't send that angry response. Just mute and report and move on and try to keep your head in the game. I know it's a LOT easier said than done but unfortunately not everyone we encounter will be a nice person. Just take a breath and recenter yourself and then get back to winning.

EDIT: also, honor rebuilds over time and you're only truly locked out about 3 months before the end of the season and you've been 2 week banned. You will get rewards if you regain honor over time and show you're improving. We're still in pre season, don't worry about the honor rewards.

Just to point out... This post isn't referencing me.

This is my witness of an interaction between two players and the player that I reported as being toxic because they ruined that game for me - forced me to play out a frustrating and completely unappealing game... Wasted my time... Flamed another player. And no notification was given that anything happened to him. But my husband gets a chat restriction???

This was a blind unranked game.

I mean does Rito even take into account that he called us %%%%s in the pre- game lobby? I reported him for that but nothing? Like really?

Stupid thread will automatically bleep the word. Lol. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

YerroFeverDec 21, 20171 votes

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Just to point out... This post isn't referencing me.

This is my witness of an interaction between two players and the player that I reported as being toxic because they ruined that game for me - forced me to play out a frustrating and completely unappealing game... Wasted my time... Flamed another player. And no notification was given that anything happened to him. But my husband gets a chat restriction???

you don't necessarily know if they're punished or not, or if they will or won't have a punishment in the future. Their account may be in the process of review to see what to do with them.

As for the notifications:

You report Player X in Game 1 Person reports Player X in Game 2 Person reports Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You won't get a notification that a person you reported gets punished.

Person reports Player X in Game 1 You report Player X in Game 2 Person reports Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You won't get a notification that a person you reported get punished

Person reports Player X in Game 1 Person reports Player X in Game 2 You report Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You WILL get a notification that a person you reported got punished

The game you report has to be the triggering game for you to get that popup notification. They may have played another game immediately after yours and it could be like the second situation and they could have been punished but you will never get that popup telling you.

This was a blind unranked game.

I mean does Rito even take into account that he called us %%%%s in the pre- game lobby? I reported him for that but nothing? Like really?

Stupid thread will automatically bleep the word. Lol. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

If Veigar was your husband, well, he's getting a slap on the wrist for what he said.

kittenCornDec 22, 20171 votes

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you don't necessarily know if they're punished or not, or if they will or won't have a punishment in the future. Their account may be in the process of review to see what to do with them.

As for the notifications:

You report Player X in Game 1 Person reports Player X in Game 2 Person reports Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You won't get a notification that a person you reported gets punished.

Person reports Player X in Game 1 You report Player X in Game 2 Person reports Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You won't get a notification that a person you reported get punished

Person reports Player X in Game 1 Person reports Player X in Game 2 You report Player X in Game 3 -> BAN

You WILL get a notification that a person you reported got punished

The game you report has to be the triggering game for you to get that popup notification. They may have played another game immediately after yours and it could be like the second situation and they could have been punished but you will never get that popup telling you.

If Veigar was your husband, well, he's getting a slap on the wrist for what he said.

So then it DOES matter how many reports you get. Kk. Thanks for the clarification.

YerroFeverDec 22, 20171 votes

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So then it DOES matter how many reports you get. Kk. Thanks for the clarification.

For multi game punishments, it matters how many games get reported but not how many people report in a single game, for the purposes of who gets notifications. The last game that was reported that triggers the punishment will always get notifications. So if there are 3 games in the reform card, then the third game reporters will get notifications. If there are 2 games in the reform card, the second game reporters will get notifications but the first game reporters will never get notifications unless...

For single game punishments, the first game is the triggering game so whoever reported in that first and only game get the notifications.

UnboundHadesDec 21, 20171 votes

Chat logs first then we can judge and them reporting has nothing to do with him getting a ban 1 report is the same as 9

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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Chat logs first then we can judge and them reporting has nothing to do with him getting a ban 1 report is the same as 9

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kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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Chat logs first then we can judge and them reporting has nothing to do with him getting a ban 1 report is the same as 9

I didn't realize it didn't matter if there's one or nine reports and that it makes no difference. I guess that's good to know.

Kei143Dec 21, 20171 votes

your husband is punished for his past behavior alone.

For him to get a chat restriction, he has to show a consistency of being toxic, and yes 10% toxicity is alot already.

Think about the past and judge for yourself whether he was toxic in the past. If you are confused of what he may have done wrong, you can post his chat logs here and we can dissect them for you.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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your husband is punished for his past behavior alone.

For him to get a chat restriction, he has to show a consistency of being toxic, and yes 10% toxicity is alot already.

Think about the past and judge for yourself whether he was toxic in the past. If you are confused of what he may have done wrong, you can post his chat logs here and we can dissect them for you.

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Dokueki KenshinDec 21, 20171 votes

As the others mentioned, madame, it would be best to post chat logs and see if we can’t help figure out what might have caused the IFS to issue the punishment. As an automated system, the IFS is not perfect, and depending on the contents of the log, it may be worth submitting a ticket to Riot support to appeal.

Also, as one of the other posts alluded to (I think), Riot has recently doubled down on their core of conduct listed in the ToS (Summoner’s Code). This includes pretty much ANY sort of retaliation. The appropriate recourse for players who are being flamed/subject to toxicity is to mute and report those errant individuals. What’s more, there are certain phrases/keywords, like “kys”, “neck yourself”, and homophobic/racist slurs that will auto trigger 14 day bans. It’s practically identical to a no tolerance “no fighting” policy in schools. If both kids are swinging, it doesn’t matter who did what or who started it; retaliation or self-defense is not an excuse for violating the Summoner’s code in any way according to Riot.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dokueki Kenshin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lmo6PPWz,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-21T00:48:52.510+0000)

As the others mentioned, madame, it would be best to post chat logs and see if we can’t help figure out what might have caused the IFS to issue the punishment. As an automated system, the IFS is not perfect, and depending on the contents of the log, it may be worth submitting a ticket to Riot support to appeal.

Also, as one of the other posts alluded to (I think), Riot has recently doubled down on their core of conduct listed in the ToS (Summoner’s Code). This includes pretty much ANY sort of retaliation. The appropriate recourse for players who are being flamed/subject to toxicity is to mute and report those errant individuals. What’s more, there are certain phrases/keywords, like “kys”, “neck yourself”, and homophobic/racist slurs that will auto trigger 14 day bans. It’s practically identical to a no tolerance “no fighting” policy in schools. If both kids are swinging, it doesn’t matter who did what or who started it; retaliation or self-defense is not an excuse for violating the Summoner’s code in any way according to Riot.

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Dokueki KenshinDec 21, 20173 votes

I wonder if perhaps the system viewed the “thickass” comment at the beginning to be too negative or “toxic”. Regardless, at least in my opinion, this case seems worthy of submitting a support ticket. I can’t guarantee any results, of course, madame, But if your husband includes the chat log and explains the context, Riot support may reverse it.

kittenCornDec 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dokueki Kenshin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lmo6PPWz,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-12-21T02:10:25.757+0000)

I wonder if perhaps the system viewed the “thickass” comment at the beginning to be too negative or “toxic”. Regardless, at least in my opinion, this case seems worthy of submitting a support ticket. I can’t guarantee any results, of course, madame, But if your husband includes the chat log and explains the context, Riot support may reverse it.

Honestly that would be funny. That was an all chat because we were facing a Poppy and Amumu bot lane.

[poppy-wink]

They responded with hearts or thumbs up emotes. I don't remember exactly but it was taken as amusing to the other team.

Dokueki KenshinDec 21, 20172 votes

Indeed. I have had similar matches where my entire team even has turned against me. My situations were a tad bit different, as I enjoy playing someone off Meda characters that I also happen to be very good with. However, during those times, my opponents were able to tell that I was playing seriously, and they even came to my defense. I have personally found that specifically avoiding profanity, name-calling, and direct Accusations also help avoid any potential false positives for the chat restriction system. To my understanding, the system has a way of detecting certain patterns of sarcasm that can be weighed against the reported individual. Hence, due to the strictness of the automated system, simply for future reference, I would strongly recommend that you and your husband mute negative players in the future to avoid having this happen again.

On a sidenote, it is absolutely awesome that both you and your husband have both been able to enjoy league together. And that at least it feels like a rarity in our community, and I wish you both the best in this endeavor.

kittenCornDec 21, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dokueki Kenshin,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lmo6PPWz,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-21T02:33:08.412+0000)

Indeed. I have had similar matches where my entire team even has turned against me. My situations were a tad bit different, as I enjoy playing someone off Meda characters that I also happen to be very good with. However, during those times, my opponents were able to tell that I was playing seriously, and they even came to my defense. I have personally found that specifically avoiding profanity, name-calling, and direct Accusations also help avoid any potential false positives for the chat restriction system. To my understanding, the system has a way of detecting certain patterns of sarcasm that can be weighed against the reported individual. Hence, due to the strictness of the automated system, simply for future reference, I would strongly recommend that you and your husband mute negative players in the future to avoid having this happen again.

On a sidenote, it is absolutely awesome that both you and your husband have both been able to enjoy league together. And that at least it feels like a rarity in our community, and I wish you both the best in this endeavor.

Awe. Thanks! <3 [sg-ahri-2]

I appreciate your input. It's good to know that they are making their IFS stricter. I pretty much read the patch notes from top to bottom. I don't remember catching anything about self-defense not being acceptable anymore.

AbsoluenceDec 21, 20171 votes

Mute-all, best advice.

JellisyWoesDec 21, 20171 votes

God damn.... Could this community be more lame?

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

In reference to what?

General Esdeath Dec 21, 20171 votes

Toxic logs.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

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Toxic logs.

Totally insightful. Thanks...

General Esdeath Dec 21, 20171 votes

Any time fam

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

❤️

General Esdeath Dec 21, 20171 votes

SarutobiDec 21, 20171 votes

You have to remember first and foremost this is only a chat restriction. Its the lightest form of punishment and assuming these are the only chat logs, I can see why its so light. the 3rd line is basically showing the system you want to give up (by ff@15), then there is calling out reports. It can be a sign of harassment especially if you repeat it, but there is no reason to even state that you are reporting someone, so its best not to do it. Then basically the rest of the chat is basically just complaining about the team not forfeiting. Seeing how if the chatlogs are correct this Teemo (and one other person) was refusing. But that doesnt mean you can keep complaining in the chat. Just keep playing, and ignore the trolls. Giving them that attention he gave them basically makes them win. Because they are getting what they want. The attention by people complaining in chat, as well as making the team lose. not only the game, but the overall moral. Its best to ignore them because they lose that power over you. Just continue to play.

As for why yoou didnt get punishment, it could be that you didnt write anything in chat, or the person didnt report you. Thats the only way the system actually works. You need to be reported, and if legit it punishes you!

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

Okay so I must not be clear in my description because only one person so far has responded without the impression that I'm talking about myself anywhere at, any time other than to voice my displeasure with what happened.

There are five players on a team. In the game I'm referencing there was a 3 man and a two man that made up my team. Teemo and two others made up the 3-man. The bot lane was myself and my husband. These were the 3 that ruined the game by not ff when it became unfun to play. It was their friend, who played, Teemo, who was the one who was name calling, flaming and feeding.

I don't agree that my husband received a punishment and the Teemo did not. Especially considering he called us %%%%s, flamed for no reason, fed and then held us hostage in the game.

I'm sure my frustration is starting to show because I don't understand why no one seems to understand this. I don't understand why it's okay for three other players to be able to force you to continue playing in a game where you are being trolled. And then when are reported don't receive a punishment? There should be an option for a player like me in a situation like that.

SarutobiDec 21, 20171 votes

Who says it was ok for them to troll? No one is saying that, just that its not ok to fight fire with fire. They were trolling, the best thing to do is to ignore them and not give them the attention they think they deserve. Muting them stop the banter, and reporting them after the game stops them from ruining future games.

Also note that you dont know if they were/werent ban. You cannot know unless you actively keep searching them up seeing if they are playing more games, but even if that happens they could just stop playing, or they could have gotten a chat restriction. But usually when someone uses any slur as used by the %%%, they get ban pretty quickly. So for all you know they were ban you just didnt get the notification and someone else got it because while your helped, their was the last to report to hit them with an actual punishment!

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

I guess that leaves me with the question that if slurs are pretty much an instant punishment then shouldn't I have gotten a notification? From other posts people are saying it doesn't matter if you get 1 report or 9. So if a slur should automatically trigger a punishment, shouldn't my report have triggered a punishment for that player? Or is that incorrect? Is there somewhere that clarifies how the IFS works that I could read?

SarutobiDec 22, 20171 votes

You will only get the notification if yours was the last one to report and they got punished. Someone else could have gotten it. It sucks and it's something they need to improve.

kittenCornDec 21, 20171 votes

Okay. So the consensus is basically don't reply. Which I don't entirely agree with... Every situation is different and everybody responds differently. But even with not agreeing I can understand why they think this is a suitable response for in-game. However, where was it posted that they changed the Summoner's Code or whatever it is called? I regularly check for updates, read patch notes etc. Did I end up missing something where they stated they expect players not to respond to trolls or there is a possibility they will end up with restrictions?

Kei143Dec 21, 20171 votes

Hmmm ...

As expected, it's a few jabs of negativity here and there.

Early giving up before 15mins, Passive Aggressiveness, asking for reports as a form of harassment.

For him to get punished with such a chat, he has to have done this over many many games.

I don't know your husband's regular behavior, but I'm pretty sure he does these often enough.

kittenCornDec 22, 20171 votes

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Hmmm ...

As expected, it's a few jabs of negativity here and there.

Early giving up before 15mins, Passive Aggressiveness, asking for reports as a form of harassment.

For him to get punished with such a chat, he has to have done this over many many games.

I don't know your husband's regular behavior, but I'm pretty sure he does these often enough.

I don't think there is anything wrong with asking if everybody is willing to ff at 15, especially if it hasn't been a fun game. We did not spam ff's all game. He asked, they said no and at some point when they were about to kill our base I think I initiated a ff. He never asked anybody to report Teemo. And where exactly are you getting the passive aggressiveness from? I was sitting in the room with him. He was frustrated with the game and for being flamed for no reason but he wasn't raging or trolling in game. Everything he says is a factual response to Teemo's ranting.

I love your contradiction at the end there. Don't assume or presume you know anything when you start the sentence saying "I don't know but".

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Kei143Dec 22, 20171 votes

Fine, no more politically correct stance.

100% guaranteed that your husband consistently exhibits passive-aggressiveness and asking for reports.

Keep it up and he'll eventually get permabanned. But it's not like you want to listen to advice anyways, so whatever else I say is just gonna irritate you.

So bye.

[vlad-salute]

mylittlep0wneeDec 22, 20171 votes

Why are you here begging, no one from RIOT cares, a few trolls will down click your post.. you are already down to -13.. and you will leave further mad. You and hubs should pause on playing this. Take up an activity together. Or Learn programming, Improve yourself and make yourself more marketable. Make more money.. This is a money in pit for people in more ways than one.

And also remember you are the one in power not RIOT. Walk away, take your husband with you. That's 2 less players. .. And i'm sure your friends will follow.

kittenCornDec 22, 20171 votes

Not begging... Or if I am it's for some sort of clarification on this punishment system Rito has come up with. I do appreciate the few who have actually taken the time to try and clarify and answer my questions.

I do get what you're saying and I appreciate your advice. The down votes don't bother me. It's just childishness.