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Riot's Punishment is not Justice

kittenCorn·12/21/2017, 12:15:57 AM·2 votes·1,131 views

I'll just do this here for those who apparently like to just skim and assume.

TLDR:

This is my witness account of an interaction between two players during an unranked blind game.

The player that I reported as being toxic because they ruined the game for me - forced me to play out a frustrating and completely unappealing game... And I got no notification that anything happened to him. But my husband gets a chat restriction? If he got one I want to know why I did not receive a notification that the player who started everything was punished as well.

I really dislike Riot's inability to properly handle or even RECOGNIZE true toxic verbal behaviour.

I played a game with my husband last night where he supped and it was a rough game. But throughout, our top laner stupidly FED the enemy top laner (Teemo vs Zed). At one insistence during the game I actually watched Teemo literally stay in place, invis, not attacking when Zed appeared, knew exactly where he was and killed him. Absolutely nothing was said to Teemo about this actual instance of feeding in game. But when my husband went top to try and help sustain the lane, Zed, who at that point was 9/1 against an 0/6 Teemo... Jumped him while he was warding. The dude playing Teemo then completely flamed my husband and incorrectly stated that he was under Zed's tower, feeding him a kill. My husband and I were confused as to why he was upset for my husband's first death to Zed, only due to him attempting to aid the lane Teemo was sorely losing. My husband then said rightly that he had no business flaming anyone else on the team for any reason and asked him to drop it. Teemo wouldn't drop it and eventually as fed Zed's do, he raped everybody continuously and I was quite fed up and wanted to ff. But because the other 3 players on the team were together, in the same house, playing, they refused. I even wrote in chat that this was not a fun game and I wanted to just move on. Eventually we won because neither my husband nor I stopped fighting and pushing objects or defending, but it took nearly an hour of my time, was painful and way more difficult than it needed to be. Win at all costs, including fun, is not why I play League... The player, playing Teemo and subsequently the other two players made this game completely unenjoyable and toxic for me. And to top it all off my husband is now being punished for that game.

I should also mention that two of these three other players attempted to call bot lane, after we did and then cursed us out with the C word, saying that this was bullshit. Eventually he tried to shrug off his blow up and inappropriate cursing as joke... But all throughout the game we were left wondering if these guys were retaliating because they didn't get the lane they initially wanted.

When my husband logged in today. He ended up with a chat restriction... And I can pretty much guarantee you it's because the other players reported him, merely because they were all together. They sent him a copy of his chat that was actually throughout the entire 52 minute game but was without ANY CONTEXT. None of Teemo's flaming or even Zed's agreement that Teemo fed him kills consistently. And if you read that line of text all at once it sounds worse than it actually was because this was throughout the entirety of the game and completely one sided. Which in case you missed: WAS 52 MINUTES of my life that I can't get back. He didn't curse him out, call him bad player or insult him as a person. It was literally just frustration and him asking Teemo to drop the subject or be reported for being toxic. He had not addressed Teemo at all until Teemo flamed him. Oh and by the way, at 42 minutes into the game Teemo was 2/16/0. At this point Zed was 35/6/9. We were literally held hostage to playing this game out because the three of them were playing together in the same house.

When we actually could, you know, honor enemy players for being fun to play against or just good... He was awarded the honorable opponent icon the previous season for having received some of the highest number of votes. We also regularly would honor our opponents and teammates (and more than one teammate). It was something we could look forward to at the end of a FUN game.

I know I'm not the only person that thinks Riot is unbelievably biased... But this chat restriction was completely undeserved in this instance. In the past there have been games where everybody was unbelievably frustrated and if this is seriously the standard that gets someone a chat restriction WE ALL should have received it. Most of all the player who started everything. I want to know why the punishment was not given equally.

I don't understand. This whole situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I can honestly say I am not ever going to try and get my friends to play League... I also will not invest my hard earned money into this game any longer. I will actively tell people not to play because Riot has no rhyme or reason to their punishment system and why should I submit my friends and family to that?

The chat log I have access to:

Game 1 Veigar: thickass bot lane Veigar: ... Veigar: ff at 15 yea? Veigar: why? Veigar: this isnt fun, your top laners ganked bot Veigar: eh? Veigar: I didnt die chasing him Veigar: he jumped me Veigar: and you've fed him Veigar: so maybe a mirror would help shut up your toxic? Veigar: I was not at his tower Veigar: are you blind? Veigar: you're 0/6/0 Veigar: and you're mad I died once? Veigar: toxic. Veigar: ... no I didn't. Veigar: drop it and dont be toxic, asking nicely. Veigar: you went off on me Veigar: so drop it Veigar: reporting you for feeding and toxic griefing Veigar: enjoy Veigar: nice fight guys Veigar: fun exchange Veigar: yea? Veigar: zed's too fed Veigar: ... thats no excuse? Veigar: ive owned plenty of zeds. Veigar: 24/3 fed? no Veigar: theyre just fucking around. Veigar: you guys trying to win? my team wont ff, and have had to deal with a toxic teemo. Veigar: you bitched me out for dying to zed in the river by his tribush. Veigar: when he was already 9/1 Veigar: I asked you to drop it nicely, but you refused. Veigar: and you guys are a 3 man and wont ff Veigar: I was in the edge of the river by his tribush NOT under his fucking tower like YOU said Veigar: no not ffing is fine, thats not toxic, you berating me endlessly was Veigar: they'll read the chat bro, you did say it. Veigar: nothing else matters. Veigar: you fed, wont ff, and were toxic after feeding? Veigar: I am playing Veigar: its 40 mins you have 1 kill and 14 deaths no assists, troll Veigar: but you went off on me for dying to a 9/1 zed once. Veigar: thats my issue, was always my issue Veigar: its irrational anger Veigar: what have I done thats toxic? Veigar: so talking is toxic? Veigar: wp zed Veigar: nj yall. bot lane you guys were rough:) Veigar: I thought poppy had you, heh Veigar: doh nj Veigar: wp Veigar: you're still being rightfully reported Veigar: wasnt fun dealing with you Veigar: winning doesnt trump FUN Veigar: dont defend him Veigar: hes wrong

51 Comments

Eternal Torment12/21/2017, 12:33:17 AM16 votes

You are right. Riot's Punishment is not justice. it is Order. everyone follows the rules equally, there is no such Thing as defender and cultprit, no right and wrong.

Yknow how castiel says it. "he who speaks false words shall choke on his own tongue and his poisonous words shall betray him"

daily lesson learned. dont try to be the tougher Person. be the bigger Person and just walk away.

YerroFever12/21/2017, 3:26:18 AM2 votes

You say this is a chat restriction, which is the lightest form of punishment... I think Riot is trying to nip bad behavior in the bud here.

At least you didn't get a temp ban?

Dokueki Kenshin12/21/2017, 12:48:52 AM1 votes

As the others mentioned, madame, it would be best to post chat logs and see if we can’t help figure out what might have caused the IFS to issue the punishment. As an automated system, the IFS is not perfect, and depending on the contents of the log, it may be worth submitting a ticket to Riot support to appeal.

Also, as one of the other posts alluded to (I think), Riot has recently doubled down on their core of conduct listed in the ToS (Summoner’s Code). This includes pretty much ANY sort of retaliation. The appropriate recourse for players who are being flamed/subject to toxicity is to mute and report those errant individuals. What’s more, there are certain phrases/keywords, like “kys”, “neck yourself”, and homophobic/racist slurs that will auto trigger 14 day bans. It’s practically identical to a no tolerance “no fighting” policy in schools. If both kids are swinging, it doesn’t matter who did what or who started it; retaliation or self-defense is not an excuse for violating the Summoner’s code in any way according to Riot.

Absoluence12/21/2017, 2:14:44 AM1 votes

Mute-all, best advice.

JellisyWoes12/21/2017, 6:29:10 AM1 votes

God damn.... Could this community be more lame?

General Esdeath 12/21/2017, 7:26:28 AM1 votes

Toxic logs.

Sarutobi12/21/2017, 11:50:09 AM1 votes

You have to remember first and foremost this is only a chat restriction. Its the lightest form of punishment and assuming these are the only chat logs, I can see why its so light. the 3rd line is basically showing the system you want to give up (by ff@15), then there is calling out reports. It can be a sign of harassment especially if you repeat it, but there is no reason to even state that you are reporting someone, so its best not to do it. Then basically the rest of the chat is basically just complaining about the team not forfeiting. Seeing how if the chatlogs are correct this Teemo (and one other person) was refusing. But that doesnt mean you can keep complaining in the chat. Just keep playing, and ignore the trolls. Giving them that attention he gave them basically makes them win. Because they are getting what they want. The attention by people complaining in chat, as well as making the team lose. not only the game, but the overall moral. Its best to ignore them because they lose that power over you. Just continue to play.

As for why yoou didnt get punishment, it could be that you didnt write anything in chat, or the person didnt report you. Thats the only way the system actually works. You need to be reported, and if legit it punishes you!

kittenCorn12/21/2017, 7:57:01 PM1 votes

Okay. So the consensus is basically don't reply. Which I don't entirely agree with... Every situation is different and everybody responds differently. But even with not agreeing I can understand why they think this is a suitable response for in-game. However, where was it posted that they changed the Summoner's Code or whatever it is called? I regularly check for updates, read patch notes etc. Did I end up missing something where they stated they expect players not to respond to trolls or there is a possibility they will end up with restrictions?

Kei14312/21/2017, 11:27:17 PM1 votes

Hmmm ...

As expected, it's a few jabs of negativity here and there.

Early giving up before 15mins, Passive Aggressiveness, asking for reports as a form of harassment.

For him to get punished with such a chat, he has to have done this over many many games.

I don't know your husband's regular behavior, but I'm pretty sure he does these often enough.

UnboundHades12/21/2017, 12:18:29 AM1 votes

Chat logs first then we can judge and them reporting has nothing to do with him getting a ban 1 report is the same as 9

mylittlep0wnee12/22/2017, 5:40:34 AM1 votes

Why are you here begging, no one from RIOT cares, a few trolls will down click your post.. you are already down to -13.. and you will leave further mad. You and hubs should pause on playing this. Take up an activity together. Or Learn programming, Improve yourself and make yourself more marketable. Make more money.. This is a money in pit for people in more ways than one.

And also remember you are the one in power not RIOT. Walk away, take your husband with you. That's 2 less players. .. And i'm sure your friends will follow.

Kei14312/21/2017, 12:30:22 AM1 votes

your husband is punished for his past behavior alone.

For him to get a chat restriction, he has to show a consistency of being toxic, and yes 10% toxicity is alot already.

Think about the past and judge for yourself whether he was toxic in the past. If you are confused of what he may have done wrong, you can post his chat logs here and we can dissect them for you.