Perma chat restrict instead of perma ban for toxicity?

CALL DANII PLZ·Jul 10, 2018·2 votes·1,870 views

I was just wondering since there is already chat restric wouldnt it make more sense for riot to add perma chat restric instead of banning players for toxicity....Like me and other people put so much time on those accounts, some even bunch of money and on end just to get banned for saying somone some insults after somone inted a game and ruined somones promos? if you gonna punish them for too much talking wouldnt it make more sense to dont let them talk instead to not let them play? :) i am sorry my bad i meant perma chat restrict for somone who is flaiming not for people who are inting and trolling

29 Comments

ModThe DjinnJul 10, 20184 votes

Riot tried this. It simply led to more in-game trolling and players using "who has the highest chat restriction" as bragging rights. It's also very frustrating to unpunished players who might now end up with someone who simply can't talk even if important information needs to be passed on.

I MUST WINJul 10, 20184 votes

No, cause like everything else that is negative it'll always escalate to the next level. "Oh, i'll just say gg ez, nothing bad right?" - first game "Oh i'll call him trash, nothing bad right?" - second game "OH HE'S ###### ME UP I'LL GO FULL TOXIC ON HIM FOR DOING THIS" - other games ~~After chat restriction~~ "Welp, I can't say anything.....;-;" "Oh i'll just spam pings and inting to show him i'm not ####### around"

^^^^ This is the mentality of toxicity when it escalates. Instead of actually playing the game...No they'll spend time being toxic and ruining everyone's experiences for the sake of one person - yourself. It doesn't work like that and if the toxic player doesn't reform they will deserve a perma ban.

Like me and other people put so much time on those accounts some even bunch of money

This should be an ENCOURAGEMENT to not be toxic in the first place. In the creation of an account...

You agree to the League of Legends summoner's code

You can't override that and expect to get mercy. Just like how you don't give other players mercy with your salt.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20182 votes

Well just perma ban who ints...As i already said there is option button if somone is being toxic and there is no mute button if somone is trolling.They are putting trolling/inting and flaiming in same category...When its clearly not and i shouldnt be in same category. When somone ints or starts trolling he is really ruining the game right? but if you mute the guy who flaims he is still playing the game and not runing it for anyone.Yeah he is mad but he will still play the game....Perma ban the guy who ints/trolls and perma chat restric guy who flames...My opinon ofc you dont have to agree with it :)

I MUST WINJul 10, 20187 votes

They are putting trolling/inting and flaiming in same category

Yep that's right, trolling/inting and flaming falls under the same category - TOXIC

When somone ints or starts trolling he is really ruining the game right?

Are you saying those who talking trash to others and harassing them are not ruining the game? That's called justification and it's not working.

Yeah he is mad but he will still play the game

He will still play the game...For now Now if you read the first part of my post you would realize that people who remain toxic will take things to the next level. After they get a "Chat perma" they will use pings/inting/trolling as a way to express their salt to others.

Still don't believe me? That's fine but remember this.

**What is done once can be done again **

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20182 votes

What are you talking about? I am agreeing that the guys who troll/int should be perma banned but they are not getting perma banned cuz i got so many people inted i would check their match history oh look they are still playing the game???? Its not same category inting/trolling is just runing the game and flaiming somone is just mutable and thats it you dont see those messages again its not bothering you....you can even mute their pings if they start inting tho yeah perma ban them but i aint talking about bro....You can mute people who flame and thats it play you are free to play the game without anyone harrasing you...Thats why i am saying they should add perma chat restricts again.You are talking like i am saying that inting/trolling is same as flaiming,i dont get it lul.I am talking about chat restrics and flaiming and you can dodge that by pressing mute button 2 seconds of your life.Why is there mute button anyway then?

I MUST WINJul 10, 20183 votes

You can mute people who flame and thats it play you are free to play the game without anyone harrasing you

Yeah you're right, you can mute them and go on with your game. However, you think the flamer should go on unpunished forever? That's not going to happen, and "muting" won't justify the fact that the flamer is toxic and breaking the summoner's code

Also no offense but fix up your post man.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20182 votes

But for what reason is there mute button then there? Isnt perma chat restric some punishment? thats punishment bro they cant speak cuz they are toxic get it? They cant send msgs you take away the thing they like to do most...i think thats punishment lmao.Yeah they break summoner code and you punish them with perma chat restrict...get it now? Sorry my grammar sucks yeah i know

I MUST WINJul 10, 20182 votes

I'll say it for the last time. The purpose of muting is for other players who are fine to DEAL with the problem of toxic ones ruining their game experience

The ones who are toxic Will be punished even if they are muted The ones who are warned, banned, restricted over multiple occasions and still went to troll/afk even AFTER the chat restrictions then they receive the perma.

If you want a summarized version of what i'm talking about.

ANYTHING negative that comes from a player and spreads it to others ISN'T JUSTIFIABLE. Not even the mute button you mentioned.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

You dont get what i am trying to say i agree its not justifiable but what i dont agree is way they punish them i am just they should perma chat restric them not perma ban them get it? I AGREE ITS NOT OKAY BUT ALSO IT SHOULDNT PERMA BAN. thats what i am trying to say like do i have draw it out for you? you are right its not okay it should be punished but not with perma ban! with perma chat restrict get itt????????????????????????? god man you are triggering me

I MUST WINJul 10, 20182 votes

thats what i am trying to say like do i have draw it out for you?

It's the other way around. I'm too tired of repeating my point. If you want a good example of what i'm talking about. Just read my very first post.

god man you are triggering me

Sorry if my opinion is triggering you. Calm down

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

Its not your opinion that is triggering me its the fact you dont understand what i am trying to say yes they should be punished but if you gonna punish somone for too much talking take away their talking not their ability to play the game get it now? So its all same category? so when people do crimes its all same category too? murder,stealing etc its all same category? Yeah sure maybe they are all criminals but they dont get same punishments bro....just use your brain

I MUST WINJul 10, 20182 votes

its the fact you dont understand what i am trying to say

Oh no I do understand. It's just because of my points and evidence that I brought out that made me disagree with you and you are displeased with that.

murder,stealing etc its all same category?

Um, yes? They're all crimes? You can go to prison and be punished for those crimes? The reason for those people committing those crimes doesn't matter. You disobey the law you go to jail. Period. Same applies to league rules, you disobey them, you get punished. Don't try to override that

Anyway. This is my last post. I won't reply anymore, I think I have clearly mentioned enough for you to understand my points clearly.

P.S: Riot already tried your idea sometime ago and it didn't work. So what's the point of bringing it back?

ModiJul 10, 20188 votes

Why even give them the chance to int?

RallerenPJul 10, 20182 votes

They once had really long chat restrictions, people that recieved chat restrictions longer than 25 games were alot more likely to start inting. Since inting is a 1000 times harder to detect, it's not worth the risk.

Other than that, you get so many warnings and chances. It's really not hard to not flame. If someone is flaming you, mute them and report them. If someone is trolling you, stay quiet, play the best you can, and report them after the game. That way you don't bring down the morals of the rest of your team even further.

WøOxerJul 10, 20182 votes

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They once had really long chat restrictions, people that recieved chat restrictions longer than 25 games were alot more likely to start inting. Since inting is a 1000 times harder to detect, it's not worth the risk.

Other than that, you get so many warnings and chances. It's really not hard to not flame. If someone is flaming you, mute them and report them. If someone is trolling you, stay quiet, play the best you can, and report them after the game. That way you don't bring down the morals of the rest of your team even further.

What inting has to do with chat restriction? [sg-lux-2]

RallerenPJul 10, 20183 votes

When people get long chat restrictions, they are likely to being inting. Thats the correlation.

Inting is worse than flaming, and it's harder to detect, so Riot doesn't want to give people long chat restriction because of the previously mentioned correlation.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

I get it what you trying to say but what i am saying is....For talking perma chat restric for inting trolling perma ban? Like think about it and tell me that it doesent make sense...This way you have a lot of people leaving the game cuz of that :) i know a lot of people who left the game after perma ban

RallerenPJul 10, 20182 votes

In a perfect world, your solution would be correct.

But catching trolls is EXTREMELY hard, and people are likely to begin trolling after a long chat restriction.

I get your idea, but it just doesn't work due to factors I already mentioned. You have more than enough chances in the current system, all your solution would do is to make more people intentionally feed, and it wouldn't actually lessen the toxicity.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

And ? If they troll they deserve perma ban right? :) Like just perma ban the guy who starts trolling or inting its simple this way they just perma ban everyone i dont see how is that helping.I agree the people who troll or int should be perma banned and i think it would reduce toxicity cuz people wouldnt be able to write...Give them 5 messages to write if something is really important and thats it. I think that would solve the problem but thats just my opionion i guess

RallerenPJul 10, 20182 votes

Please dude, read what I'm writing.

I've said twice that catching trolls is extremely hard.

If people get a long (or permanent) chat restriction, they start inting instead. If we could catch inters reliably, there wouldn't be a problem, but since we can't do that we have to keep inters to a minimum. But your solution would increase the amount of inters. (And as I said, you can't just punish them).

Just saying that you think trolls should be permabanned isn't enough, you also need to FIND the trolls automatically, which is something you can't really do.

I'm not going to repeat myself again.

Bottom line is, you can't just punish trolls, it's more complicated than that. And your solution would increase the amount of trolls.

That's it.

Riot already tried your solution, and it didn't work. It's not an opinion of mine, that's just fact. It was objectively less effective at dealing with toxicity than the current system.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 10, 20182 votes

Riot did permachat before, it simply created more Intentional Feeding, AFK & trolling activities since that's the only way toxic players can react to their frustrations.

So no. Most punished players should have reformed when they got chat restricted or 14 days suspended. If you can't reform after these 3 chances, then you might as well leave the game.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/wsObUaFj-if-tyler1?comment=00010001000000000000

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It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

GildarztJul 10, 20182 votes

You don't deserve your account.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

Why? :D I consider inting and trolling much worst than flaiming....There is option mute for flame where is my option mute for their trolling ?

GildarztJul 12, 20181 votes

that's your opinion, I dont need to hear you any single awfull word. I don't need a kid that doesn't know to talk.

CALL DANII PLZJul 19, 20181 votes

You are actually retarded

OatheSwornJul 10, 20181 votes

I don't know... I think communication is a vital part of the game, talking with teammates helps prevent League from becoming an only 'me' game. I use chat for things that pings can't relay like strategizing or planning ahead and being unable to do so would make me feel isolated. League is supposed to be a multiplayer experience and chat restrictions would take out a part of that... is what I think.

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

When somone is chat restricted he can still send 5 messages if something is really imporant he can still say it :)

OatheSwornJul 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=CALL DANII PLZ,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LkoKfUWR,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-10T12:19:25.828+0000)

When somone is chat restricted he can still send 5 messages if something is really imporant he can still say it :)

He said permanent chat restriction = I'd think that would mean none at all... but if not then meh. [slayer-jinx-wink]

CALL DANII PLZJul 10, 20181 votes

Well you have to give them option to say something if its really important 5 messages would do it i think....even now when you get chat resctricted you have option to send 5 messages so they dont have to change anything excpet add perma chat restrict :D