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What's more important for the health of the game?

The Worst Akali·2/25/2020, 3:38:08 PM·1 votes·5,252 views

Lately I've been seeing an influx in players that int/troll in ranked I started to wonder are people banned or punished for their toxic game play? So I decided to run a test to find out! To find out I tested if you can soft int/troll without typing in ranked with no repercussion (tested over 10 games.) During every of those games I trolled/soft inted and my team mates flamed me to which I reported and almost always got instant feedback reports. This lead me to my next question if all those people are being chat restricted and I'm not being punished for trolling which one is worse for the health of the game? This lead me to my next test. To see how easy it is to get chat restricted. I already knew it was pretty easy due to my own previous infractions and seeing streamers getting restricted but HOW easy is it? To test this I flamed team mates for their mistakes over a couple games (without vulgarity no cussing no telling people to harm themselves etc. just calling out mistakes and other tilt worthy chat) 2-3 games in a row and on the third game I was chat restricted. My takeaways from this is that toxic chat is a huge issue for riot and the system is too relaxed on trolls. Riot seems to care deeply about the chat experience (which seems like such a small portion of the game) and cares very little about the actual in game experience. This seems counter intuitive to the longevity of the player base and makes me wonder: A. Why doesn't riot implement voice chat and take the option for typing out entirely? B. Why aren't they working to make trolling as punished or more punished than chat offenses? C. Why don't they just make "toxic" players who don't mind the banter/ negative chat play together and take their report function away?

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Jamaree2/25/2020, 3:45:10 PM9 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Worst Akali,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lg5faEvx,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-02-25T15:38:08.306+0000)

Lately I've been seeing an influx in players that int/troll in ranked I started to wonder are people banned or punished for their toxic game play? So I decided to run a test to find out! To find out I tested if you can soft int/troll without typing in ranked with no repercussion (tested over 10 games.) During every of those games I trolled/soft inted and my team mates flamed me to which I reported and almost always got instant feedback reports. This lead me to my next question if all those people are being chat restricted and I'm not being punished for trolling which one is worse for the health of the game. This lead me to my next test. To see how easy it is to get chat restricted. I already knew it was pretty easy due to my own previous infractions and seeing streamers getting restricted but HOW easy is it? To test this I flamed team mates for their mistakes over a couple games (without vulgarity no cussing no telling people to harm themselves etc. just calling out mistakes and other tilt worthy chat) 2-3 games in a row and on the third game I was chat restricted. My takeaways from this is that toxic chat is a huge issue for riot and the system is too relaxed on trolls. Riot seems to care deeply about the chat experience (which seems like such a small portion of the game) and cares very little about the actual in game experience. This seems counter intuitive to the longevity of the player base and makes me wonder:

They are both problematic to the state of the game, one is just easier to pinpoint and punish then the other. No one likes having the feeder obviously, but we have all been there, there is not a single person who plays League who can sit here and tell me they haven't been that person who has shit the bed and fed their ass off, who has been that 0/5, that 1/6, that 1/5 and when you were that person, the players wanted to likely have you banned and punished.

In turn, it isn't really all that hard to find people who avoid league like the plague because of its reputation of toxicity, rightfully earned honestly.

A. Why doesn't riot implement voice chat and take the option for typing out entirely?

Because they don't want people to advocate killing each other and have a room of toxicity that they can't really police.

B. Why aren't they working to make trolling as punished or more punished than chat offenses?

Because the term trolling is so broad that hitting a middle ground isn't really possible, you have likely had games where you just had that bad game and did poorly, but were accused of trolling and tried to get you banned.

C. Why don't they just make "toxic" players who don't mind the banter/ negative chat play together and take their report function away?

They don't want a toxic cesspool to continue to breed that kind of behavior.

Cind3rkick2/25/2020, 3:49:38 PM6 votes

A. Why doesn't riot implement voice chat and take the option for typing out entirely?

Because voice chat is far harder to moderate than just typing, and many players would much rather type than talk. Not to mention it makes language barriers even bigger since many people can write/read a language but not hear/speak it.

B. Why aren't they working to make trolling as punished or more punished than chat offenses?

Because its nearly impossible to decide if someone is trolling or just having a terrible game. Going 0/6 with lulu top? Well thats just an off meta pick that didnt work out, the player could be trying their damn hardest to win so why should they be punished

C. Why don't they just make "toxic" players who don't mind the banter/ negative chat play together and take their report function away?

Restricting a players ability to report will massively increase the amount of trolls, especially if there is a specific "toxic queue".

Bulshlaka2/25/2020, 4:18:13 PM5 votes

this is why i went to euw better players more toxic since i don't care about the toxicity unless it's hella fucking annoying i am better off playing in EUW

Toxicity is also different by region in EUW it's not as easy as telling someone they suck at flashing a wall but people get 14 days a lot more regularly here

i'd much rather someone wish death on me and play properly than somoene just rage split push all game and die repeatedly without saying anything or the best players that go 10/0 and refuse to carry on winning the game because the 0/2 bot lane "doesn't deserve to win"

Naramiel2/25/2020, 4:10:41 PM4 votes

To the OP, though: I'm glad they're taking action in restricting toxic players. I just wish they also cared at least a little about those intentionally throwing games or afking a large part of the game.

muted team chat2/26/2020, 12:12:16 AM3 votes

You can soft int as much as you want and you will never get banned. My personal method is to attack-move to the middle of a lane and alt tab out. Check back a few minutes later and repeat. Game usually ends pretty fast

Zedthul2/25/2020, 11:11:24 PM3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Worst Akali,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Lg5faEvx,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-02-25T15:38:08.306+0000)

Lately I've been seeing an influx in players that int/troll in ranked I started to wonder are people banned or punished for their toxic game play? So I decided to run a test to find out! To find out I tested if you can soft int/troll without typing in ranked with no repercussion (tested over 10 games.) During every of those games I trolled/soft inted and my team mates flamed me to which I reported and almost always got instant feedback reports. This lead me to my next question if all those people are being chat restricted and I'm not being punished for trolling which one is worse for the health of the game? This lead me to my next test. To see how easy it is to get chat restricted. I already knew it was pretty easy due to my own previous infractions and seeing streamers getting restricted but HOW easy is it? To test this I flamed team mates for their mistakes over a couple games (without vulgarity no cussing no telling people to harm themselves etc. just calling out mistakes and other tilt worthy chat) 2-3 games in a row and on the third game I was chat restricted. My takeaways from this is that toxic chat is a huge issue for riot and the system is too relaxed on trolls. Riot seems to care deeply about the chat experience (which seems like such a small portion of the game) and cares very little about the actual in game experience. This seems counter intuitive to the longevity of the player base and makes me wonder: A. Why doesn't riot implement voice chat and take the option for typing out entirely? B. Why aren't they working to make trolling as punished or more punished than chat offenses? C. Why don't they just make "toxic" players who don't mind the banter/ negative chat play together and take their report function away?

I agree with option C. It was one of the few good things HotS did. They would take people that rage-quit etc and group them with other people that frequently quit games. I think it should be that way with those that constantly Int. If you are found to int frequently you get grouped into a subgroup of people who do the same.

General Esdeath 2/25/2020, 9:34:52 PM2 votes

more vegetables

Naramiel2/25/2020, 4:05:54 PM2 votes

I admit I have occasionally been tempted to test just how hard one could troll without getting punished: specifically playing PART of the game for real and inting the rest.

I feel like you could definitely int 5 times (I mean obviously, going under enemy turrets and /dancing) for every game for your entire life and not get punished unless you happened to play with a Rioter. 10 times per game MIGHT get noticed, maybe? Still debatable, because broadly speaking Riot wouldn't want to punish someone just because they made their team lose 1,000 games in a row.

That being said, I'm never going to actually test this out just because it would be a jerk thing to do to one's team members. [fiora-cool]

Wallaroo02262/25/2020, 9:57:33 PM1 votes

I just got chat restricted today after several straight losses with hard inting chimps. I had one win where I think I got 24 kills just because that team didn't run it down. There are way too many games with people giving up kills and then engaging opponents over and over again with no chance of winning. The irony is they complain they aren't being helped. It's egregious. I had my support suspect a dragon was being taken who just walked into the pit and died. I asked him why he didn't ward and he said he didn't have any... what????

The game has gone downhill fast. To answer your question I think it has to do with maximizing profit. If you start banning terrible players they lose out on revenue, and it is easier to chat restrict someone and still allow them to play and wouldn't you know make purchases.

Tele II2/27/2020, 2:45:21 AM1 votes

A. Idk, I dont think many people want to voice chat with complete strangers, but im sure some would, so idk why they dont implement that. You can take the typing option out entirely, though. Just turn off allied/all chat.

B. Pretty sure they are. Its already punished harder, but of course the consistency is the tricky part. Reasons should be obvious, but im sure others here have explained how much harder it is to confirm trolling than it is to confirm chat rules being broken.

C. Idk, I've never thought of that. Does any game do that?