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Request: A list of profanity, abbreviations, slurs, and phrases that are punishable

Algido·2/3/2019, 12:23:30 AM·4 votes·3,526 views

**There must be a formal "living" dialogue between individuals (specifically I mean something NOT like "ask Riot") that can be shared with anyone interested. What I see from the actions Riot takes and the communities response and, potentially MOST importantly, Riot's response to community response all point to big big issues. It seems player distrust towards Riot has never been higher, as well as contempt and perhaps resentment. **

Hello. I hope everyone is at least gettin' by. Please allow me to share a bit of personal backstory that leads to the claim I initially made. I have been honor locked for months despite saying hello, gl, gg, gj, gw, wp, nj, nice, turn, dragon, baron, (X) wave along with some neutral or fun (not talking about banter) I mean saying literally playful comments, observations and trying to maintain a peaceful state in order to keep a steady tempo to facilitate the likelihood of better cooperation/coordination and basically keeping things from spiraling out of control. Sometimes this includes something along the lines of "omg im so fkin trash geez lol mb"... shit like that which by accepting blame (whether or not I basically inted or played at 100% of my capability) with the hopes of avoiding a team implosion. I can genuinely say I either put in a good effort to diffuse schisms and promote solidarity or I just play silently and ping. Anybody with the authority, please feel free to look up my logs and call me out if I'm being dishonest. All that said, I can't fathom how I could possibly still be locked after ~4 months and I know many others feel similarly.

I have a very large accumulation of thoughts that I have compiled over the last several years and would very much enjoy the opportunity to have a casual discussion with a mod or Rioter surrounding acceptable language, borderline/unpunished language that kills honor gains/prevents unlocks, and unacceptable language. There absolutely must be some transparency regarding honor... fundamentally. How does one know if the other is being honorable when there is nothing but blind faith to go off of? Some sort of "exp bar" would be nice but that's an old idea and apparently isn't going to ever happen.

I have two proposals. First, I propose is a list being provided of all specific inputs that will trigger the system and either bring about manifested punishment and hidden punishment. Next, I propose a feedback system that will inform a player if they made some sort of transgression that would be unfair to punish thereby letting the player know he or she needs to shape up so if or when a punishment is implemented the player will have no room to complain and add to the countless "Unfairly banned" posts.

Thank you very much for your time. If this topic interests you, please consider upvoting this post. Thanks again.

Algido

30 Comments

Hotarµ2/3/2019, 1:24:17 AM3 votes

Before I get into anything, I just want to say that this (quoted below) doesn't warrant a punishment. It may if your account is on it's last legs from multiple punishments, but on it's own this usually isn't enough to warrant a punishment.

Sometimes this includes something along the lines of **"omg im so fkin trash geez lol mb"... **

If you have the chat logs from the games you received a punishment in, we can review those here because the information you've provided doesn't match up. No player would receive punishment for the examples you've given unless it was a mistake.

The reason (most) games don't release a 100% accurate language keyword list is because it can actually be abused by players. If you know what words will get you punished, you can just use that to your advantage to skirt around any punishments and use words not listed by the system.

In a game with a community like League's, personally I'm not surprised that Riot wants to keep it a secret since the punishment system just kind of revolves around the mantra of "don't be a dick" :p

TrulyBland2/3/2019, 1:02:59 AM3 votes

The purpose of Riot's system is at its core to detect people harassing others, not to prevent certain words from being said. Riot is effectively trying to detect a certain way of communicating, and as all forms of communication that means that what they are trying to detect is blurry and vague. More than that, however, it changes. Especially on the internet where we're just one viral video away from yet another universally understood reference.

Maybe tomorrow somebody uploads a video of an animated alligator that is terrible at video games and the term "alligator" becomes synonymous with noob. To give one actual example: "feeding" used to imply intention. These days it doesn't, and instead people use "inting" to express the same concept, which before hadn't even been a word to begin with.

There cannot be a static list of things that are allowed or not, because the connotation and even meaning of words is not static to begin with. And that's not even starting to talk about things like "fuck" which depend entirely on context. Nobody would want to be banned for saying "Fuck, that was awesome!".

All of that said, I'm somewhat inclined to agree in regards to the zero tolerance system which does work simply via a static list of words. I understand that it might undermine its purpose to show which specific words are not allowed, but apart from the "big ones" there are simply too many of them that are so obscure that the guideline of "you should have known that this is unacceptable to say" simply doesn't apply. Nobody should be banned for asking "What he hell is a <insert obscure slur here>?", even if support tends to overturn cases where people inadvertently repeated slurs.

Algido2/3/2019, 2:10:40 AM2 votes

If nothing comes from this, would the safest thing to do be to literally not type at all? Going off of "Do I need to do anything special to progress?

You level up just by playing to win in your games. Show up, don’t intentionally work against team, and you’ll progress in the coming weeks and months. If your teammates honor you a lot, you’ll get a slight bonus in progression"

I feel that it may be in everybody's best interest, in terms of honor/punishment, to not communicate in any circumstance beyond pings. I can't think of another way in which to avoid any and all possible issues when we aren't even told what we aren't allowed to say...

Hazy Shade2/3/2019, 8:40:55 AM2 votes

but why would I need to provide logs? The burden of proof lies upon the accuser.

Because you came to the board asking for help. We didn't come to you.

"omg im so fkin trash geez lol mb". However an automated system doesn't take this into account, as far as I can tell.

To my knowledge the system does take self-deprecating comments into consideration. Quite a few years back they had a case where someone got banned for talking shit about themselves in third person. Eventually Riot realised what had happened and apologized publicly to the person and removed the ban.

If nothing comes from this, would the safest thing to do be to literally not type at all?

Sure.

I can't think of another way in which to avoid any and all possible issues when we aren't even told what we aren't allowed to say

The system isn't going to see you type one phrase or word and penalize you. Think big picture. If you are reported, the entire game is analyzed. Were you being toxic, belligerent, harassing, or negative all game? Were you feeding, trolling, afk, griefing, or spamming? Did you use slurs? If no, you should be fine.

NOT like "ask Riot"

You need to ask Riot. Only they can tell you why you are honor locked still. All we can do, for that question, is speculate. One speculation may be that you aren't as positive-neutral in all of your games as you imagine. Selective memory and all that. Plus, and I'm not trying to be a dick here or have anyone misunderstand my comment, you seem super passive-aggressive with a lot of your replies. This isn't criticism it's just an observation.

"Fuck you and I hope you die..." Punishable?

Lol what do you think? Just because you tried to couch your 'kys' comment in a positive sentence doesn't negate it.

I'll keep out of the politics but I agree it is pretty absurd that one can get in trouble for using words but those words are not provided and we are obligated to assume what is allowed and not allowed, resulting in a gun-shy community afraid to even chat in-game.

Dude seriously? Is English not your native language? Otherwise, barring some extreme event that sheltered you from society or a mental illness that affects your understanding of social mores, you know what is and isn't acceptable to say. That or it's willful ignorance.

might it be a fair suggestion to send players an initial one-time warning?

I can't remember for sure but I thought they did send little pop-ups saying you've been negative in your recent games and to shape up or something. In general, I'd say no, you don't need a formal initial warning. From my understanding, you aren't going to get a penalty for one bad game, with some caveats. Lol imagine you have a rage bar. If it fills up because you've been a consistently shitty teammate, you're gonna get a penalty. You have leeway.

I am trying to figure out what the fuck I am doing that has caused my honor to be locked since quite awhile

According to the FAQ: Negative behavior during this reform period will cause it to last longer.

GatekeeperTDS2/3/2019, 2:05:27 AM2 votes

Aside from the zero tolerance phrases that we all know, being punished for toxicity is less about the specific words and more about the intent. You can swear all fucking game if you god damn want to and zero fuckshits will be given.

You absolutely can get punished without triggering any 'specific inputs' as you call them. Someone can be a belligerent jerk using only in-game terminology and still be punished.

Algido2/3/2019, 4:31:57 AM1 votes

So it seems any sort of list is out of the question and even if a list were provided, it would be of no value since "Words and phrases don't get you punished. Attitude does." and "100% accurate language keyword list [are not released] is because it can actually be abused by players." I'll simply concede on that front, regardless of logic.

Considering the multi-tier punishment system (initial punishment, rewards locked, end of season rewards likely lost and the daily reminder of it all), might it be a fair suggestion to send players an initial one-time warning?

Apricot Jams2/3/2019, 7:31:41 AM1 votes

its a lost cause trying to make sense of their dumb ai's punishment strategies. Forget about it. Just don't type or be like me and type all the time and keep getting banned.

Glîtchy2/3/2019, 4:25:35 AM1 votes

Honestly with how almost everything is considered offensive nowadays, why not just silence chat completely? cause apparently it was offensive to call an Ahri player "she" when they didn't "identify as a 'she'" and had a frickin aneurysm over it