Permaban -> Permamute?

23501568_DEL·Dec 5, 2016·7 votes·746 views

So, my question is, wouldn't permamute be a more suiting punishment, rather than permaban? With permaban, only that 1 single account gets banned, just like the example of Tyler1 and several other famous streamers who got removed for toxic behavior, they usualy create a second account and continue to be (as a result of that ban) even more toxic. So my question is, wouldnt the system of Permanent Mute work better? Banned Players wouldnt create new accounts, as they had already spent money on that old one and leveling a new account takes time, but they wouldnt be able to flame on their main accounts.

18 Comments

DrCyanideDec 5, 20167 votes

They effectively had this before. People would accumulate thousands of games with chat restrictions, but they'd keep using their limited messages to be toxic. Full muting wouldn't be the best idea either, since then you'd have people saying things like "Hey, I'm going to swap with you" and they'd be unable to refuse.

23501568_DELDec 5, 20162 votes

Yeah, but didn't the Message limit work only in-game? In the lobby (during champion picking phase) it was possible to chat without any restrictions.

DrCyanideDec 5, 20162 votes

You're correct, it didn't work in lobby, but see the second part. You'd have people baiting out "agreed to" swaps because someone either couldn't talk at all or had already used their limited messages.

ProxknightDec 5, 20161 votes

serves them right for being toxic in the first place i feel like its karma biting them in the ass.

SchàdenfreudeDec 5, 20163 votes

Some people might intentionally feed.

23501568_DELDec 5, 20162 votes

I guess that might be the case. So how about also introducing a warning, that this "Permanent mute" will be the final punishment before the "Permanent ban" that would cause alot of people to rethink their behavior

Great MutaDec 5, 20161 votes

Then ban them for feeding. Feeding directly influences a game as does AFK. Chat doesn't because you make people stop chatting via the mute button. If you don't mute someone, you are choosing to take part in the argument.

Colgate GatorDec 5, 20163 votes

Since you're putting Tyler1 as an example, I'll go with it.

It probably wouldn't work because people like him are generally one step away from finding any way possible to grief on their teammates. Case in point, from the games I saw from Tyler1 it wasn't rare to see him going AFK or inting when stuff went wrong.

At least make them work new accounts I suppose, since most people don't change their ways because they're set on the "omg this was an unfair ban", they're bound to do the same stuff that got them banned in the first place.

MartensiticDec 6, 20163 votes

No, for a very simple reason:

Its not Riots responsibility, to shield others from peoples toxic behaviour. Its every players responsibility to not be toxic in the first place.

If someone cannot do that, then there really is no reason whatsoever, to let them play.

Moooose3Dec 5, 20162 votes

This. Makes sense to me.

shockakhanDec 5, 20162 votes

this would be nicer... I just got permed for toxic behavior and I wish there was an option in game to turn off chat, is there and I just didn't notice or something?

Great MutaDec 5, 20161 votes

Nope, the only thing you can do is drag chat off screen and even then, you still have to see post-game chat. Riot won't even chat restrict you when you ask.

Stupid outdated system that only serves to get people into trouble.

OnlyYouCanHearMeDec 5, 20162 votes

Riot did have this in place, and it did not work. It led to a much higher level of trolling and afk in games.

Also, to clarify, Tyler1's account was not banned. The player was. He is not allowed to make new accounts and play on them. Unless he was recently unbanned in the last week, and I haven't heard about it. The only player I can think of to recently be unbanned was Jensen.

23501568_DELDec 5, 20161 votes

Ofcourse he can make new accounts, but as soon as they appear on his stream, then they get banned.

MachiavellinDec 5, 20162 votes

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Riot did have this in place, and it did not work. It led to a much higher level of trolling and afk in games.

Also, to clarify, Tyler1's account was not banned. The player was. He is not allowed to make new accounts and play on them. Unless he was recently unbanned in the last week, and I haven't heard about it. The only player I can think of to recently be unbanned was Jensen.

Riot has not done this, They created a system close, but not at the extend of the suggestion. Those players who racked up 1000 of games with chat restriction, eventually got perma banned. This gentlemen is proposing to remove the perma ban feature, and isntead make it impossible for them to communicate in game.

Their is verbal abuse, and its common, but the worest kind is when people don't say anything and you watch the do things to piss you off. They don't say anything and they try to provoke you into beginning an unsavory verbal war. They will go to your lane, and not theirs. They will follow your jungler around try to last hit every single minion. They will just run around the map, doing absolutely nothing.

Which goes back to Dr. Cynades point, It would only increase inting, because the case i menitioned is inting. They are intentionally trying to loose the game form the start, creating a distaste in your teams mouth,

I admittly believe they're education pattern to a perma ban, and repetitive cycling of this process, with new accounts is more effective then anything else.

I think some of us older players, remember when Inting use to be a very common thread, in the mid to Low ranked tiers.

The thing with Shacolone, and Tyler 1, and even Iwilldominate and Nightblue at times. They are career league players, they stream. If they get an account banned it means nothing to them, because they can purchase an account the same day at around the plat level for a couple hundred dollars, and they will make a substantional amount of profit if that purchased account was banned the same day. So, there not a reliable comparison when looking at punishments, because your average league player, cannot continue to buy accounts the same day, and get them banned and continue this process for long.

Which, in this sense means the general non professional population of league, is forced into reforming or quiting.

Great MutaDec 5, 20161 votes

I can get an account to level 30 with double boosts in one week.

Great MutaDec 5, 20161 votes

I agree with this. I've been permabanned twice. Still playing. Takes $15 dollars and one week to get to Level 30 on new account...or I could just do some a little shopping online.

If people abuse chat, take chat away from them. They'll probably appreciate it and I know I would as I hate chat. I've even asked for chat restrictions and they were declined.

Banning people just encourages them to make another account and makes them lose all of the stuff they have in the game. The punishment makes no sense from any stand point. If you want to ban feeders or leavers, I can understand it as that is detrimental to the game, but getting into fights in chat can be solved with mute - which should be fixed so mutes are actually permanent and don't expire in post-game chat.

bad arcade kittyDec 6, 20161 votes

riot doesn't really care about their players

they either permaban to increase sales since a few active players get another acc if they are permabanned or to fulfill their ideas of social justice like they are batmen wanting to punish all those n word users and stuff to better the world