Disrespectful and Toxic Community Members, Part 4

Aegis Dragon·9/14/2019, 5:24:24 PM·2 votes·1,730 views

I took a break from League. For a while. I figured, if i just leave and come back, I'll have a fresh perspective and things should be fine.

Nope.

First match in, and the only team member that WASN'T toxic was Karma. Master Yi kept trying to get me reported for 'inting', Illaoi was just being straight up disrespectful and rude (often just agreeing with yi), and the jinx heavily implied that I should kill myself saying things like 'you won't be missed'.

People keep downvoting my posts. I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed. But as long as I keep playing league, I'm going to keep making these posts. Riot needs to control the community better. Easily abusable reports and vague algorithms just aren't going to cut it. The report system is quite literally the ONLY thing in place to keep toxic players from getting away with being toxic, but they keep getting away with it anyway, because of the pattern of ganging up on one person on the team, usually the one not being toxic, and any time they call for their clearly abusive teammates to be reported... the victim gets reported instead. For something like 'inting'. Or 'giving up'. And the toxic players get off scott free because they just don't report eachother. Ever. The toxic players outnumber those of us who just want to have fun.

This needs to stop. Riot needs to step up to the plate and do something. League used to be my favorite game. And now, because of the people that play it... it's starting to become my most hated. The tragic thing is, i can't stop playing, because I keep thinking 'maybe this time I'll finally be able to play with decent human beings'. And I shouldn't have to think like that. But people are just so used to the toxic community, that if someone speaks out against it, it's THEIR fault for not hitting the mute button. And they ignore the fact that I shouldn't HAVE to hit the mute button.

10 Comments

Hotarµ9/14/2019, 5:46:29 PM4 votes

People keep downvoting my posts. I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed.

Probably because your posts aren't offering any solutions or providing new information.

Yes, the community sucks sometimes and there are a lot of rude people playing this game. Some skirt by without punishment even though they exhibit blatant rulebreaking behavior, it happens with every game, every report system, every community. It's just a sad reality.

However, the majority of all games are not that bad, you're letting the loud vocal minority speak over the neutral and positive majority. We know the community can be off sometimes, there's no easy solution to that unfortunately.

The report system is quite literally the ONLY thing in place to keep toxic players from getting away with being toxic, but they keep getting away with it anyway, because of the pattern of ganging up on one person on the team, usually the one not being toxic, and any time they call for their clearly abusive teammates to be reported... the victim gets reported instead. For something like 'inting'. Or 'giving up'. And the toxic players get off scott free because they just don't report eachother. Ever. The toxic players outnumber those of us who just want to have fun.

1 - Multiple reports do not increase the likelihood of a player receiving punishment.

2 - A player will not receive punishment unless they themselves have broken the rules.

3 - A single player's report is worth the same as nine, meaning nobody should get off "scott free" if you're reporting them with the correct options. Even then, there's no way to verify if someone escaped punishment as: errors can occur, punishments can take time to be doled out, the IFS message is inconsistent, different people can be on different stages of the punishment ladder, and people can stop playing at any time for any reason.

And now, because of the people that play it... it's starting to become my most hated. The tragic thing is, i can't stop playing, because I keep thinking 'maybe this time I'll finally be able to play with decent human beings'. And I shouldn't have to think like that.

Not saying you're to blame for any toxicity you encounter, but there are some proactive measures you can take to improve your experience. Play with friends. Find non-toxic players through social media like Facebook or gaming apps like Discord. Mute ally and enemy chat.

If you go into every game expecting to have an enjoyable experience, you're setting yourself up for failure. This is true for every game.

But people are just so used to the toxic community, that if someone speaks out against it, it's THEIR fault for not hitting the mute button. And they ignore the fact that I shouldn't HAVE to hit the mute button.

Again, loud vocal minority.

The majority of the playerbase does not agree with (or really care about) toxicity in any way, shape, or form. No sensible person is going to blame you for muting toxic players, ironically it's **going to be the toxic players that blame you for muting toxic players. **

Umbral Regent9/14/2019, 5:50:15 PM3 votes

People keep downvoting my posts. I don't know why.

Well, let's start with the most basic reason; because, in essence, your threads provide very little discussion value, if any. All you're doing is making periodic posts saying "I just had a match with bad players", with a vague call for Riot to "step up their anti-toxicity measures", and little else. While there is potential value in discussing how negative behavior affects you and how you can mitigate those effects, the discussion value diminishes when it becomes a case of simply ranting about other people's negative behavior - which is what this has become, at this point.

And we do have a subboard for that.

Then, of course, there's the issue of spamming; when you initially started doing these posts, you made one post, then another the very next day, and then a third in just under a week from the second one. Making posts with minimal discussion value is one thing, but doing the same thing over and over - especially within a short timeframe - that's spamming, which is against the Boards Universal Rules.

People, consequently, probably downvote because they don't come to Player Behavior for the daily/weekly update of "matches I had that sucked because of toxicity" - this is a subboard meant for discussing player behavior and the player behavior-related systems, and, while yes, there is at least a modicum of value in discussing other people's behavior, it's ultimately pointless because those people are neither here nor there.

And, you might say; "but wait, I am discussing player behavior related issues", to which I have to say, with all due respect; you're not. You're saying "I dealt with toxic people, Riot, fix this." You're not offering suggestions for how Riot could fix the community, you're not offering suggestions for how the system could be better tuned to handle toxicity, you're just saying "Riot needs to fix this."

That's not a discussion.

And another reason you might be getting downvoted is because of strawman arguments against people over downvotes.

Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed.

We already see how bad the community is; we see people posting their chat logs littered with negativity and toxicity daily. We know full-well how bad people can be, and we do want to see the community improve - but we know we can't accomplish anything by just pointing to bad matches and saying "fix it".

You also have some misconceptions about the system, as well as some problems that could very easily be solved;

Easily abusable reports...

The reports are not "easily abusable". Reports only trigger a review, and have no bearing on the outcome of the review. If you get punished, it's not because the reports were abused, but because you broke the rules.

...but they keep getting away with it anyway, because of the pattern of ganging up on one person on the team, usually the one not being toxic, and any time they call for their clearly abusive teammates to be reported...

If a teammate is breaking the rules, there is zero benefit to calling for them to be reported. Report-rallying does nothing. The IFS doesn't care how many reports are filed, it simply checks if any amount of reports higher than zero are filed, at which point it reviews the player's behavior, and punishes accordingly.

If people are ganging up on you, mute them, report them, and move on. Report rallying serves no benefit at the cost of opening you up to be reported, due to report-rallying being a form of harassment.

the victim gets reported instead. For something like 'inting'. Or 'giving up'.

If you get reported for intentionally feeding, but don't feed, you won't get punished. If you get reported for negative attitude, but aren't negative/defeatist/etc., you won't get punished.

If you don't break the rules, you won't ever be punished, no matter what reports people file against you.

And the toxic players get off scott free because they just don't report eachother. Ever.

And this can easily be solved by reporting the toxic players yourself. Don't call for reports, don't threaten reports, just do it. 'Cause like I said earlier, the IFS doesn't care how many reports are filed as long as the number is higher than zero. Which is why on the PB boards we always say 1 report = 9 reports.

So if you report them, then guess what - they won't be getting off scott-free.

GatekeeperTDS9/14/2019, 5:33:59 PM2 votes

I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed.

And here's the crux of your problem. You're so hyperfocused on what everyone else is doing that you're attributing made-up explanations to something simple.

Imperial Pandaa9/14/2019, 5:39:34 PM2 votes

Number of reports in a single game don't matter though. 1 report does the same as 9, so there isn't a need to ask for reports. If you aren't actually doing anything wrong then you won't be punished. If they are verbally harassing, then they will get a strike on their account contributing to a punishment. You are not entitled to know if someone gets punished so as such we don't always get the Feedback Notification.