Honest Discussion on My Chat Logs and What Specifically got my 14 day suspension

LukeReformed·12/24/2017, 6:16:27 PM·1 votes·674 views

I'm not going to try and cover anything up, I had a chat ban a few weeks ago, got much better for al ittle while, but last game I was very very tilted. I used to say stuff like kys, noob, fking trash, this game I was being a little ass, but what got me banned? I know I shouldn't of said anything in the first place when I started getting upset, but can I have some honest opinions

Here are my full chat logs: Game 1 LukeReformed: im going to cry.. LukeReformed: teemo 89% wr urs 33 :/, xayah 22% theirs 51% LukeReformed: as irelia LukeReformed: in preseason LukeReformed: eh.. LukeReformed: focused onthe more scary ones vlad. LukeReformed: welp LukeReformed: guess ima have to camp bot.. LukeReformed: ff @ 15 LukeReformed: u shouldnt pick xayah into mf LukeReformed: or rakan LukeReformed: it is gg LukeReformed: ur wr is 22% LukeReformed: and getting rekt LukeReformed: man.. LukeReformed: 2 lanes getting rekt. LukeReformed: bot is gettign rekt way harder but k LukeReformed: xayah 7 CS LukeReformed: LOL LukeReformed: gg LukeReformed: for? LukeReformed: how am I being toxic LukeReformed: pointing out hte obvious LukeReformed: somebody is salty i took mountain drag LukeReformed: ill come bot @ 6 LukeReformed: xayah needst o dodge a single q LukeReformed: from mf LukeReformed: mute me LukeReformed: if its a prob LukeReformed: then dont complain LukeReformed: no real reason to report me LukeReformed: not harassing you in any explicit wya LukeReformed: not a single cureseword LukeReformed: np LukeReformed: I bait my mid how? lol LukeReformed: np :D LukeReformed: this game been over since start LukeReformed: vlad LukeReformed: I warned u this would happen 30 secs in didnt i LukeReformed: knew it would lol LukeReformed: i hate ffing LukeReformed: but this is a ff game LukeReformed: bot lane just got absolutely destroyed LukeReformed: i cant help u after u feed them 3 kills LukeReformed: you as in the entirety of bot lane LukeReformed: jax gank got nothing off LukeReformed: the only reason im behind in jg LukeReformed: is because of you guys LukeReformed: i got coounter jungled LukeReformed: so hard LukeReformed: I cant go in my own jungle LukeReformed: because LukeReformed: u fed them LukeReformed: and they can roam :D LukeReformed: this is a ff @ 15 game LukeReformed: someone with over a 1000 games is still stuck in higher silver, I'll take the one game failure jax ;D LukeReformed: not really LukeReformed: good try tho LukeReformed: 200 games and still in silver LukeReformed: lololololol LukeReformed: no LukeReformed: he didnt waste ur time LukeReformed: if you dont want to play out a gmae dont play LukeReformed: reported LukeReformed: thats actually a ban right there LukeReformed: explicit profanity ing ame LukeReformed: and calling me a scrub LukeReformed: uhhhhh LukeReformed: 1/5 , 3/4 , 1/4 LukeReformed: 4 game lose streak LukeReformed: 7 game lose streak LukeReformed: one win streak doesnt matter lul LukeReformed: 3game win streak LukeReformed: whos last vote? LukeReformed: rip LukeReformed: shoulda just waited to 20 so we can get the 4/0 LukeReformed: m bad LukeReformed: why LukeReformed: ^ LukeReformed: i mean LukeReformed: he has a point LukeReformed: we havent given up LukeReformed: we just want to surrender LukeReformed: there is a difference LukeReformed: relax LukeReformed: we can ff in 2 mins LukeReformed: and end it LukeReformed: move on with our lives LukeReformed: I do too but some games LukeReformed: just arent gonna happen LukeReformed: gg wp LukeReformed: gg wp

PS. When I started talking to somebody else it was a Jax on the other team trashing me after he counter jungled me all game.

thanks guys - luke

22 Comments

HalcyonDweller12/24/2017, 6:42:44 PM5 votes

It looks like you just got dinged for being negative in general. Riot's punishment system is progressive, meaning that it moves up in levels of punishment each time you exhibit punishable behavior. If you show signs of being negative again after coming off of a previous punishment then they will often give you the next level of punishment. 14-day is just the next step after a 25-game chat restriction.

You're going to have to be careful for a while now if you don't want to get permabanned, because that is the next step after a 14-day ban.

I know it sucks terribly to get teammates who are being jerks or who are trolling you, but there are techniques and skills you can use when faced with them to avoid crossing the line yourself and risking being punished. I've written comments about this before, so I'll go find one to quote for you here, just in case you're interested in learning the leadership and teamwork skills that I've found are really useful for interacting with teammates.

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Ok for advice I've got a few things. A lot of it is written out in the post linked below, but I'll elaborate a bunch and add a few points in my comment here as well.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Warning: Wall of text incoming. It's a lot to read, but trust me it's all useful techniques that I've used to great effect in my own games. It's worth your time if you are willing to read through it all.


1. On avoiding getting banned:

You don't want to get banned obviously, so first and foremost you should avoid being negative, passive aggressive, or insulting in any way from this point on. A good rule of thumb is this: If you wouldn't say it loudly to somebody in a public place in front of someone who's respect you hold dear, it's probably not something you should say to a stranger over the internet. Avoid being sarcastic, or saying anything to blame teammates.

Generally speaking, anything that you say that might anger your teammate is something that could make them report you. Whether or not their report for that statement is justified, if it triggers the IFS to review your behavior and the IFS finds something else that you said in that game that it thinks is punishable, it's going to punish you for the second thing even if the person reported you for something else.

Keep in mind that after a 14-day ban you're going to be on super thin ice. Even minor negativity may be enough to trigger another punishment, and unfortunately (and in this case, unfairly in my opinion) for you, the next punishment in the progression is a permanent ban. If you are not absolutely certain that you can talk to irritating teammates without saying something punishable, then it is better to not talk to those types of teammates at all. Mute them and don't even acknowledge what they say. You can safely report them yourself after the game and leave it in Riot's hands to deal with them.

After several months of consistently honorable (or otherwise positive) behavior, your account standing should improve and that 'thin-ice' and danger of being permabanned will loom over you much less.


2. On using past, present, and future tense to better steer discussions in a positive direction:

It especially helps to steer conversations into the future tense. reasons being this:

  • The past tense is often used for assigning blame
  • the present tense is often used for discussing values
  • and the future tense is often used for making choices or decisions in the future.

This is a subtle twist of language that a lot of people don't realize affects their discussions with others, and they react to it on a subconscious level.

For example, picture this happening in one of your games. Person A just died to a gank because they pushed up too far and didn't ward. Here we will look at the outcomes of using different verb tenses to discuss their death.

Case 1 - Past tense:

Person B: Dude you shouldn't have been so far up <- notice the past tense, this will often make Person A feel like they are being attacked, and they are more likely to react by defending themselves instead of focusing on playing smarter the next time. person A: I wasn't trying to die, they just caught me! It wasn't my fault!!!

Here Person A argued instead of recognizing or learning what they need to do better next time (ward and watch out for ganks).

Case 2 - Present tense:

Person B: Aww man that sucks, I'm sorry you're dead right now. it's not fair how they can pull bullshit like that. person A: Thanks! Yeah, it's so unfair!

Here both players commiserate over the unfortunate event. Nothing is learned from it, but Person A is at least feeling supported by person B. As long as you use the present tense like this (to express support for a teammate after something bad happens), it will serve a good purpose because it will put Person A's mind at ease and they won't be worried about getting flamed by Person B every time they make a mistake.

Case 3 - Future tense:

Person B: Oof that's unfortunate. Lets try to ward next time before you push like that again, maybe it will help keep you safe. person A: Thanks! I'll try that.

Here person B makes the discussion focus more on what to do about the problem in the future, and they do it in a helpful way. This helps Player A to see why their push ended badly for them and gives them a clear goal - a safer strategy to try the next time that they want to push.

Also, keep in mind that verb tense is more than just talking about when to do something. Telling somebody to "stop feeding/flaming" or to "feed/flame less next time" isn't really using the future tense, because it is still making the player's mistake from the past into the main focus of the discussion.


3. On maintaining team morale and preventing tilt and arguments.

A lot of the time, people begin to argue or tilt because of plays going badly. They can't accept responsibility (or fault / blame) for their mistakes, or they are upset because somebody else's mistake made the game harder to win.

A series of bad plays is sometimes all it takes to drive a team into the worst sorts of in-fighting and arguments. This is why it is super important to maintain team morale and to keep people focused on strategy and future plays.

When a play goes badly, you can head-off (or prevent) multiple problems. First you can prevent the player from tilting and getting anxious or afraid of their mistakes getting them blamed or harassed by the team. And second, you can help the whole team to not tilt by turning the focus away from the mistake and towards what can be done to prevent or make-up-for the mistake in the future.

To do this you need to use a combination of the present and future tense, in order to make the player (or team) feel supported while also giving them a clear goal of something to do better the next time around. For example, the future tense case from section 2. Notice how Player B commiserates with player A to make them feel like Player B is on their side ("oof that 's unfortunate," and then gives them an idea for what to do next time ("Maybe if we ward next time it will keep you safe.")

Maintaining team morale isn't just about preventing tilt though! You don't even have to try to make players feel better after a bad play if they are already feeling great in the first place! This is why it is important to compliment teammates whenever a play goes well.

If the jungler ganks top and they kill the enemy or force the enemy to waste resources... Say something like "good teamwork top & jungle" or "great gank" because these sorts of things will make them feel good about what they did well, and make them feel motivated to try to do such teamwork successfully again in the future.

If bottom lane gets a tower or mid lane roams and makes a successful play, compliment them for it! People love praise and it will make them feel like you have their back.

This has another benefit of making them trust you more, that way if things go wrong later and you need to give feedback or suggest they do something different, they will already think you are nice and will be less likely to take it personally or get upset when you tell them to do something differently.


Conclusion:

Phew! That was a lot, I hope it wasn't too much of a wall of text. That's most of what I have to say for now.

I've used each of these techniques to great effect in my own games, and I highly recommend you try them in your own. If you have any questions about them or you want to discuss other techniques, just let me know I'll be happy to talk more about this.

LukeReformed12/24/2017, 6:18:42 PM1 votes

As an extra note I want to add, I want to fully reform and be such a nice person. But I just find it so hard never to say anything, should I just mute all?

VindicatorOFThey12/24/2017, 6:22:48 PM1 votes

in future games , do not be negative ^.^ be untiltable .

MMWWMWMWMMWWMWMM12/24/2017, 6:37:16 PM1 votes

I'm sure you annoyed your team pretty bad by telling them their not so great win rates at start. then go on to say they are still silver after so many games. I guess if you cant just play a video game for your own enjoyment and need to look up other peoples stats to then be toxic then yes, I would just mute everyone and not even type anything. who even cares about stats in low ranks anyway, if you think you are so much better you should easily be able to carry bronze, silver and gold teams instead of flaming them. obviously you do this all the time too because you got a 14 day instead of a chat ban, grow up and stop trying to insult people because something isn't going the way you wanted. that's what little children do. You're welcome Luke. - Sean

exxpose12/24/2017, 6:53:17 PM1 votes

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Xurreal12/24/2017, 9:07:35 PM1 votes

Reported for flaming.

Ever get chat restricted?

If so, that's why.