Fairness in Punishment

The Ecdysiast·Apr 27, 2016·3 votes·517 views

#The 4-step method is close, but I'm simply suggesting they enact permanent ban to chatting IF/UNTIL that player starts to intentionally feed.

Intentional feeding should be permabanned regardless of whether or not you've been chat restricted or even ever used chat. Chat punishments should be not be connected to gameplay punishments. If it just so happens you've already been chat banned, and you start to ruin games by going Disco Nunu then you'll be punished for that accordingly--unrelated to the previous chat ban.

If they don't start intentionally feeding, then there's no reason to ban the account. They don't ever get to make friends or curse at people because of the chat ban, and that's the price they pay. --and Riot still gets their business.

13 Comments

Deep Terror NamiApr 27, 20166 votes

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We're considering full mute options, but the true toxic players tend to just intentionally feed or do other toxic things instead.

Prior to the 4-step punishment system adopted late last year, chat restrictions would stack infinitely, essentially being permanent for those that didn't change. It did not stop them from abusing their limited chat, and also resulted in some of them resorting to other toxic behavior.

If temporary punishments (chat restriction, 14 day ban) is enough to reform a player, then they won't get permabanned. It's only when they think the punishments are a joke and pay them no heed that there is no choice but to remove them from the community. If a permaban is too much, you'd think they would stop short of it.

The EcdysiastApr 27, 20161 votes

I meant to say that they would not be allowed to use the chat at all.
If and only if they resort to toxic gameplay do they deserve the play ban. It's as simple as passing down judgment on that if it happens, rather than banning a player who didn't feed because he called people poopheads 1 too many times.

Deep Terror NamiApr 28, 20165 votes

Somewhere they've said they don't want to remove chat entirely. I'd love to find it for you but idk where to start :(

dapositivevikingApr 28, 20161 votes

responds fairly and with an attempt at evidence downvoted

The EcdysiastApr 28, 20161 votes

Eh. DTN seems to have some sort of grudge against me and just comes to my threads to add misinterpreted evidence.

Ap Mid BurstApr 27, 20165 votes

They tried, but the person who is chat bans turns their toxicity into trolling.

The EcdysiastApr 27, 20163 votes

And in such case, they should be permanently banned. But not every person caught for drug possession becomes a murderer in jail. It's incorrect to assume everyone who is chat banned would intentionally feed.

Ap Mid BurstApr 28, 20163 votes

Well rito already tried that, and they decided that on their rate of success, they would discontinue since it would ruin so many games where a permanently banned chat guy wanted to be toxic, but couldn't.

redniwediSApr 27, 20163 votes

Or no? Why should they let someone play if they cannot responsibly use chat? Why allow a verbal abuser the ability to play?

You're separating the issue into two distinct categories when it is not required. Terrible people get punished and removed from the game. It doesn't matter if they abuse their team or if they intentionally feed, it they cannot show respect to other human beings they do not get to play.

It's not about the crime, it's about the mindset behind it. That is what is being punished.

FrankerXApr 27, 20161 votes

tbh i gotta agree.

and if they start to feed after being perma-chatbanned the "super awesome feedbuster" should permaban them?

The EcdysiastApr 27, 20161 votes

Yeah. All I'm asking is that the punishment actually relate to the rule broken. If the player intentionally feeds, then sure, ban them by all means.

But that should be unrelated to chat restriction or chat ban. If it just so happens that they were chat banned and NOW start to intentionally feed, then, ignoring the fact they're chat banned, they should be banned for the intentionally feeding.

Reaper ReviewApr 28, 20161 votes

I've never intentionally fed and have no intention of ever doing so. I've had my share of bad games, though, and in fact it was my perceiving myself as bad that set me off and got me banned anyway. That's neither here nor there, though.

It's unfortunate that their previous attempt at this didn't work out, but that's how it is.

FovereApr 28, 20161 votes

I find that communication is an integral part of both good gameplay and fun for League.

While it seems to me that banning people from chat is going to make them feel more distanced from the rest of their team and increase the likelihood of trolling when they are frustrated.