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Is banning a champion greifing?

Aeron Em·2/2/2016, 5:00:30 PM·94 votes·10,456 views

Basic premise: I will be banning Jihn in ranked for the foreseeable future.

**Back Story: **

I did a ranked game yesterday where the mid laner and support were a duo. The Mid laner (let's call him Perp#1) selected Jihn as his preferred champ. I don't want the enemy to pick him and I don't trust my teammates to be able to play him on release week either. So I banned him. This is when Perp#1 and the support (Perp#2) started to go off in chat. They swore like they were auditioning for a Sam L. Jackson movie. Perp#1 then decides he's going to troll me and picks my preferred champ, Lucian.

I'm 29, and I've seen kids throw tantrums before (my 1 and a half year old niece is a BOSS at this) so I brush it off and don't say anything. Not a word in champ select. Total silence, even when he picked Lucian. I have a whole lot of marksmen I can play well. No biggie, I'll play Jinx. Perp#2 picks Soraka and the both of them tell me how they're going to feed 10 kills at least. Again, no worries, my mmr is higher than where I'm at, if I lose this one I'll just report and queue for the next one.

Get into game and Lucian keeps his promise and dies doing stupid things mid. Soraka on the other hand seems like she's changed her mind, playing well. Coolio. Level 3 - they engage, Soraka and me full health - let's do this. I drop chompers, and am going all Rambo on them. Soraka has different plans, walks balk to tower and backs .... o.O ok then. I die.

This is when I typed for the only time that entire game. No worries, I wasn't upset, just dissapointed so no swearing. I said "You guys can decide if you want to report or not but Lucian and Soraka are trolling me for banning Jihn. You'll get them in your games sooner or later. Gl hf."

This seemed to have scared them cause since then they played alright. Don't know if they replied cause they were muted. Soraka did try to start stealing minions but please child, Jinx with IE ... you'll need bigger bananas for that.

So point is, I intend to do this for a while, at least until they first nerf him. Is this considered greifing? Should I state in champ select "hey don't want to be rude but I'll be banning Jihn." or will that just create more arguments?

----Update Feb 3rd---- I just received a 'A player you recently reported has been punished' notification. Maybe him, maybe not. Anyone know if there is any more info Riot provides about these notifications?

218 Comments

Xicashina2/2/2016, 5:04:31 PM69 votes

Never feel bad for banning a champ in ranked thats new if it was norms then I would say your being a bit rude but in ranked banning a new champ for the first week at least is perfectly fair

Dextix LT2/2/2016, 6:06:23 PM15 votes

You are not griefing. If i see someone from my team even thinking about picking yasuo i ban him, and everyone can blow me for all i care. I do not trust people with that champ after seeing 101 failed attempts.

It is your right to ban for any reason.

Starfish H2/2/2016, 5:47:06 PM13 votes

It is not griefing. I bought Jhon but in don't bring him into Ranked. Why? Because I have no experience with him, I need to see how he works and who he fits with before bringing him into a competitive match. It's the player's fault for trying to play Jhin the day he is released. It is perfectly fine not to trust a player playing a new champ the day he is released in ranked. He's not your friend, he's a stranger you never met or heard of before. Normals is where Jhin should go for this week.

lolptwo2/2/2016, 7:22:36 PM13 votes

Regardless of what people like the think. It is greifing for banning someone elses intended champ. This is Riot fault for allowing new champs into ranked right off the bat. However seeing as HE IS PICKABLE YOU MUST TREAT HIM AS ANY OTHER CHAMP Your best bet is to ask them politely not to play it and or dodge.

You seem like a reasonable person. Let me explain to you in a logical sense. You say you are banning Jihn because

** " I don't want the enemy to pick him and I don't trust my teammates to be able to play him on release week either"**

What don't you trust of your teammates to play him? Many of us had PBE accounts. In addition, what if I told you, you can search up online to see if someone is good with a champ or not.

I had a game where my team was yelling at me not to play Jihn even though I've played him many times before and they were selecting to play champion they had a 13% win rate with and just came off going 5/25 Shen.

Who are you to decide what people can play or not play? If Riot intends for people to not be able to play Jihn to start Ranked, they will disable it. Otherwise you have no choice but the treat his Pick Intent or Champ as any other Champ in the game. Unless everyone shows their stats and proves they can play that champ to_ your liking _

Picking Jihn is no different than someone picking Lucian, that person picking Lucian can be a first time Lucian, and that player playing Jihn could be a 100 game Jihn Player in PBE.

I'm sorry to say this man, as an adult, you brought it upon yourself to be negatively effected. Had you just followed the rules, you might of won. As a result of you breaking the rules, you caused much more trouble than you would of just letting him play his pick intent.

Sometimes I see someone who builds AP only Yi in lolkin website and average 4 kills 14 deaths and his pick intent is yi, also I hate playing against a good Yi player but that doesn't give me the right to ban his pick intent, that is griefing

LaoBushido2/2/2016, 5:03:47 PM8 votes

I would say no it is not grefing look at it this way there is no garrenty that the play who wants to play Jhin on your team will get him with jhin being a new champ he is hot on demand he could be picked on the other team and if that is the case then he would not get him anyway

Truly Prideful2/2/2016, 8:06:47 PM7 votes

It's not greifing at all. I've had people throw a fit because I banned Kench or something just because I don't feel like rolling the dice on the enemy taking it instead. They just need to get over it and not act like children. Riot should be doing you a favor anyway and blocking new champions from ranked for their first month of release.

JusticeReigns2/3/2016, 12:50:57 PM6 votes

YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. END OF DISCUSSION.

KING OF MASKS2/2/2016, 7:03:28 PM5 votes

To be honest it sounds like you could've been more communicative during champ select. Perp #1 might've felt that you were targeting him with your ban; granted, that's completely illogical since banning new champions during their first week is par for the course. But it's worth mentioning, I guess. A simple "Hey, nothing personal but I'm banning Jhin since he's so new" might've defused the situation entirely.

Either way, it's definitely not griefing and you handled their trolling perfectly. So good on ya, m8.

NegusInParis2/3/2016, 7:10:27 AM5 votes

You have the right to ban whatever you want, whenever you want!

Maximum Morde2/3/2016, 1:42:23 AM4 votes

Ban whatever you want, it's your ban just like it's your champ to select. If they wanna throw a fit about it they can dodge, that is their choice.

Gucci Toe 2/2/2016, 8:14:29 PM3 votes

I still think you should be limited to playing champs in which you have achieved mastery level 4.

Kiraid Lciem2/2/2016, 8:07:24 PM3 votes

My solution for Riot: Trying to ban a pick intent starts a vote. The banner is done with his turn & automatically a yes. It passes with 3 yeses and fails with a timeout or 3 nos. This allows the team to ban popular picks like during the first week of a new champion. But does not allow troll bans.

Aeron Em2/2/2016, 5:25:34 PM3 votes

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First and foremost it is highly illogical to assume your teammate bad with Jhin while at the same Time you fear enemy Jhins - only reason for that that makes sense is when you yourself have problem dealing with Jhin.

Is it griefing? I'd say it is, your teammate stated he was good with Jhin, so by banning him you lower your team's Chance of winning just because you yourself feel more comfortable without Jhin in game. It seems very childish of you.

Well, since you can't figure this out on your own, let me help. Regardless if Jihn is on my team or the other, he is very new. Ideally there is a 50-50 chance that a player will either feed or do well on any champion. Since the champ is newer it is more likely that people in bronze/silver/gold/plat will not do as well as they think. I'm not willing to take that chance. Besides isn't that why bans are distributed to three players now? So they can ban a champion they aren't comfortable with in the game?

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Been there! I have been banning Jhin in all my games regardless of what my team wants. For all the same reasons he listed. why would people down vote this??

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ModJikker2/2/2016, 10:48:37 PM3 votes

I'd announce it in chat and instead of just banning his preferred say "Guys I know you want to play him, but I think the enemy will just first pick him then you don't get to play him either way. Better to just ban than risk this first week."

People that intentionally ban preferreds to troll others are griefing. People with a legitimate concern and wish to ban a champ with explanation are not griefing.

Also, inb4"you asked for bans you toxic XD"

ArbiterOfTruth2/3/2016, 2:26:46 AM3 votes

I've had a somewhat similar situation. It was a normal draft and someone picked Teemo as their preferred pick top and someone else did not want that so they banned Teemo. Thankfully our top laner didn't rage or feed just picked Kayle and played normally. In this situation it is wrong to do something like that. However, in yours I find that fully justified to ban the brand new champ especially in ranked. I find it silly that Riot doesn't keep new champs banned from ranked for either a certain amount of time and/or require an amount of games to be played with them in normals not coop vs ai.

Ada Wong2/3/2016, 12:14:23 AM3 votes

You can ban whoever you like that another person may or may not be playing however don't get upset when that person goes "Caitlyn Mid" or something and ends up being useless to the team, or doing worse because of your actions.

So yeah its up to you really but don't be a dick, and no he isn't OP he is only OP because its Low Elo, and players have no idea how to play or what to play against him. His scaling might be decreased later though.

disregardable2/2/2016, 5:48:28 PM3 votes

I report everyone that bans my pick intents, regardless of the reason they have for it. It's not sportsmanlike; it ruins my game. Because Riot Games is Riot Games, there's no consequence for trolling your teammates, though, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Tribbles Foxfolk2/3/2016, 5:29:12 PM2 votes

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Basic premise: I will be banning Jihn in ranked for the foreseeable future.

**Back Story: **

So point is, I intend to do this for a while, at least until they first nerf him. Is this considered greifing? Should I state in champ select "hey don't want to be rude but I'll be banning Jihn." or will that just create more arguments?

----Update Feb 3rd---- I just received a 'A player you recently reported has been punished' notification. Maybe him, maybe not. Anyone know if there is any more info Riot provides about these notifications?

I don't consider it trolling, ESPECIALLY since it's a brand-new champion that nobody is good with yet. If the person wants to tantrum over not being able to feed with a new champ in ranked, that's their karmatic decision to make.

TheEvilQueen1352/2/2016, 9:54:31 PM2 votes

i'd say that's reasonable but if he's first pick... i'd look at his match history on lolprofile.net first

Lithium Rosa2/2/2016, 10:18:51 PM2 votes

Just ban him. lol I've done this multiple times and my teammate who intended to pick him didn't say a word because they knew it wasn't proper to try out a new champion in ranked.

KnKitsune2/2/2016, 10:51:36 PM2 votes

Really, Riot should really keep new champs out of Ranked for a week or 2 cause 95% of the time, that champ is going to get banned. Its a waste of a ban to use it on a new champ instead of on someone who NEEDS to get banned.

Meanie402/3/2016, 12:14:43 AM2 votes

Don't say it, just do it.

My personal policy is that I ban a new champion (if I am in control of a ban) for at least the first two weeks of release.

ToxicOrRito 2/3/2016, 1:41:31 PM1 votes

You made your argument in the other thread about this topic, and it got destroyed in hilarious fashion and showered with downvotes. lol.