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Why the honor/rewards changes are bad

rujitra·11/13/2018, 8:10:46 PM·4 votes·2,660 views

Riot announced at the beginning of the season, and multiple times throuought, the requirement to keep/regain honor 2 by the end of the season to get rewards.

They are changing rewards/honor for next season in many ways - this change is good. However, the current season rewards are still based on your standing at the end of the season - as they have been for seasons past.

By giving toxic players a chance to regain honor by a certain date and get rewards, they are saying that toxic players deserve more chance to get better rewards than do normal players - such as people I know who ended the season having only one set of promotional games left between Silver and Gold (or other levels). Those players, who never got a punishment the entire season, are being told “you get what you get, and you don’t throw a fit”. Yet players who were toxic and did not display adequate reform to regain rewards, or who were toxic at the end of the season, are being told “it’s okay, you get another chance”.

Ranked rewards have always been removed/not given to players who displayed toxicity towards the end of the season. It is inappropriate to make such a large change to the way rewards work - removing the “hard end” date for honor, but not for ranked. It displays Riot cares more about keeping toxic players in the community (as they are only making these changes because of complaints from said players) than they do making legitimate, non-toxic players feel as if they’re being rewarded for their play and honor.

28 Comments

R107 Games11/13/2018, 8:36:15 PM5 votes

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It displays Riot cares more about keeping toxic players in the community

Thats what you got out of it? Big yikes.

Anyways im glad riot is giving players a longer chance to get rewards. No player deserves to lose all the rewards after working hard to obtain them for a whole year( unless you got banned for inting/trolling etc ). It shows riot has sympathy for even the players that get punished, by giving a longer chance to reform.

Imo, the honor/rewards changes are good.

AJStarhiker11/13/2018, 9:55:53 PM3 votes

Here is what I understand as the reasoning:

Previous seasons had the requirements of no time suspensions within ~3 months of season end and no active chat bans at that point. By having the grace period, I feel Riot is trying for a bridge between the previous system of no active chat bans and the Honor 2 requirement.

At worst, it's bad timing. I do agree the decision should have been made and announced much earlier, preferably before Worlds so the announcement could filter out to the player base.

Sett a trap11/13/2018, 8:22:00 PM2 votes

I disagree.

Copy/Paste from my post.

tl;dr what about people like me? We tried to reform and 4 months wasn't long enough. 4 months is more than a third of a season. What is the point of "reforming" if you can't?

I emailed Customer Service and they said my honor growth rate is still at a reduced rate. What the fuck? Some comment I made 4 months ago is affecting my honor today? It was a fucking chat suspension. That's great, and they don't even tell you this unless you email in and they investigate. Like what sort of shit metrics are these?

Let me be clear, this isn’t about rewards but it’s on reform that’s realistic in a season.

Some players got a chat suspension in early summer (including myself) and will not be getting rewards.

What is the point of reform if it’s unrealistic? 5 months in a 10 month season is literally 50%. If it takes more than 50% of the season to “reform” then they will piss people off and make the act of reform a futile one for MANY. I got my chat suspension in mid July and that marks about 4 months in a 10 month season, I made it to honor 1 checkpoint 3 and grinded ARAMS and was a positive player/tons of honor reps each game, but nope no honor 2. Edit: EACH game I only said “GL HF GF” and “GG WP”. I emailed Riot customer service and they said my honor is still at a reduced rate.. FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE CHAT SUSPENSION? That is not reasonable, that is more than a 3rd of the season. ALMOST HALF.

Do I deserve the reward? Nope. Do we players deserve more transparency and not get duped/conned into a fake chance at reform? In my opinion, yes.

Further more, id like to add that in any management case study, people excel when things are measured and if there are metrics. Having this vague honor plant is not a good measurement. At least have an indicator of your honor is growing/declining/not moving.

You should also make it REALISTIC to reform. My attempts at reforming have yielded me with nothing despite being good for 4 months out of a 10 month season. Riot, you are setting up players for disappointment, grief, and annoyance at your product. Your attempt to reform players will not work if it’s not realistic to do so. Why should I even bother now? I’ll unlock honor 2 within a few weeks and I go back to my old snide/sarcastic asshole self and just sit at honor 2. I know the fine line to get chat bans and it’s really just harassment and shame. Nothings going to stop me from being possibly passive aggressive or being snide. It’s easy to get honor and still be toxic too.

EDIT: it seems like Riot is aware and they’ve added a last second reform window only to chat suspended people.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/TGYs0hwO-2018-end-of-season-rewards-and-honor

While this is great, it still doesn’t solve the vagueness of your system. It doesn’t help 14 day people either who tried to reform but could not.

Next season needs more metrics and indicators of your honor. If you play 10 games and you’re not gaining honor, YOU NEED TO TELL US THIS. How can you expect people to reform if they have not a single god damn metric? And no the honor plant doesn’t count, it’s awful and unreliable.

Baby Ghoul11/13/2018, 8:32:12 PM2 votes

The new honor system is confusing and that's why they're giving people who received a chat restriction have one more chance. It is a one-time thing for a reason.

They basically used it as an extension of the punishment system this season by tying it to ranked rewards and forcing people to grind when previously the system was clear. In the current system there is almost no indication of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong. Even on the boards we're mostly guessing. The system is opaque and takes a long time to get through.

The ranked system hasn't received any similar overhaul, so it makes zero sense that people who failed their promos should get extra time because people who were knocked down to honor level 1 in this new honor system are getting more time. The honor rewards should be much better than they currently are, but you're overlooking a lot in that comparison to ranked.

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sleepysithlord11/13/2018, 8:16:10 PM2 votes

Considering honor and skill have nothing to do with one another I don't get why the rewards are linked.

Making it so you have to be a certain honor level to get ranked rewards is just as dumb as Riot making it so you need to be a certain MMR to get honor rewards.

They are seperate ratings and shouldn't interact

Danksley11/14/2018, 12:40:22 AM2 votes

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Saezio11/14/2018, 2:07:10 PM2 votes

Well considering you can get from bronze to challenger in 20 days, but you need a minimum of 3 months to get from honor 0 to 1 checkpoint 3 this is more than deserved Especially under the prism that it is only available to people that were simply chat restricted and taking into consideration the imbalance of the severity between early and late season punishments. You can climb endlessly, it is not halted by an invisible checkpoint process. You can do jack shit to gain honor faster. The hard part is the honor level not getting to gold. You can get to gold straight with 10 games (ofc they need to be wins), count how many games to get from honor 0 to 2 P.S. I've never been punished and have been one of the first to hit honor 5 last 2 seasons..