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OccupyRanked··1 votes·1,124 views

After reading about the successful supports who ran smite in diamond Elo and got banned, and reading riots own reasoning for banning said support players, I have a growing concern over my ability to have fun and enjoy this game as a support main.

From what I have read, Riots stance is that if your team tells you it doesn't want the support to play a certain way, that support MUST conform to the wishes of the team(even if it's just one or two loudmouth fools). My concern is that Riot has begun to actually pivot towards CATERING to toxic players that ruin the game, and their recent permabans over smite singed and smite nunu have empowered the very members of this community who ruin the game to be even more vocal in flaming/reporting teammates who do not play their way.

In the process, in many ways they are stunting the evolution of the solo que meta. It would appear that if I stumble upon a new way to be successful, or a unique style that improves my ability to play, and my teammates are not "up on game" so to speak, that I am forced to abandon what makes me happy and successful to placate someone who is closed minded and negative.

With this in mind, I find myself enjoying this game much less than when I started in season 4, and am running out of reasons to continue playing the game that actually brought me back to of gaming after 8 years of absentia.

Hopefully your tribunal will rethink their logic and allow players to play their way, regardless of what toxic teammates think, as long as they demonstrate a consistent ability to deliver success or individual improvement with said play style/ build.

25 Comments

AeroWaffle1 votes

In both the Singed support case and the Nunu support case, they consistently forced their ADC to be by themselves for almost the entire laning phase. Regardless of the ADC's or the team's wishes.

We're not talking about, "occasionally they do this". It was almost every single time they queued up or got placed in the support role.

You talk about how it's unhealthy to force the support player to play a certain way. Well, that's what they were doing to the ADC every single time; forcing them to solo lane vs 2. There was no negotiation, the ADC had to deal with it and that's that.

I doubt very much that if you simply asked if your team was fine playing around your play-style that they would always say "no". At the very least, make sure the ADC, your lane partner, is okay with you playing some unusual style that would effect them before forcing it down their throat.

OccupyRanked1 votes

So I guess the follow up question would be, as a support, am I ONLY there to support the "adc" or to make moves that bring the entire team success?

The adc can read the situation and adjust his positioning as the support roams can he not?

If I am much more successful roaming than I am in lane, where I may be more of a liability, wouldn't it be FAR better for me to play the way I am going to perform best?

Hambone20131 votes

Depends but in doing so you shift the liability to your teammate who may not be comfortable 1v2 and losing a good chunk of bottom side pressure

OccupyRanked1 votes

Understood, but again, you also give your adc a potential XP advantage to be leveraged in team fights, plus increased if vision for your team, including add, to avoid tanks and get picks on the enemy jungler, further preventing him of influencing lanes. Also, if done effectively, you are forcing the enemy landers to respond in their own jng, allowing increased lane pressure and farm for your own laners.

AeroWaffle1 votes

I view the result as irrelevant to the problem that you're forcing the ADC to now play in a way that might be far outside their comfort zone.

Besides, you state an optimistic result. It could easily go the other way and the ADC gets their but camped and dove repeatedly, resulting in an underfarmed and underleveled ADC. Which could easily happen if the ADC is unused to playing without the support of another person in their lane. An underfarmed/underleveled ADC is pretty worthless to the team since they rely heavily on item scaling.

EvilDustMan1 votes

They were both assholes about forcing their one trick on their team.

How to not get banned: Don't be an asshole.

OccupyRanked1 votes

Were they actually being rude about it? Or were they playing the way that brought their teams success on a consistent basis?

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

Were they actually being rude about it? Or were they playing the way that brought their teams success on a consistent basis?

Posters to the board said Nunu was pretty toxic, having watched them stream. Singed, while not toxic, would copy pasta a spiel then mute everyone.

OccupyRanked1 votes

I too mute everyone who tries to flame my build.

OccupyRanked1 votes

Just a thought, but how about instead of banning these successful players for being different, you simply add a system were players can ban themselves from being sued with specific players, this way, if someone plays a way you don't agree with, you can choose to not be paired with them anymore? I think that solution would be most effective at pleasing ALL parties involved. Period.

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

Just a thought, but how about instead of banning these successful players for being different, you simply add a system were players can ban themselves from being sued with specific players, this way, if someone plays a way you don't agree with, you can choose to not be paired with them anymore? I think that solution would be most effective at pleasing ALL parties involved. Period.

All pro play would die for certain individuals look at why overwach removed ignoring users kept them from playing with you https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/06/22/overwatch-avoid-this-player/

OccupyRanked1 votes

Oh my! Well I understand that, but I don't propose an "avoid this guy" button, but rather a "don't team me WITH this guy" button. You would still be potentially paired against said player, but he would not be placed on your team.

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

Oh my! Well I understand that, but I don't propose an "avoid this guy" button, but rather a "don't team me WITH this guy" button. You would still be potentially paired against said player, but he would not be placed on your team.

and after everyone says avoid this guy button on say one person how is that one person suppose to play?

OccupyRanked1 votes

The only way everyone would say that would be if he was literally the worst human being on earth. In which case, I think that his not being able to play would be entirely his fault?

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

The only way everyone would say that would be if he was literally the worst human being on earth. In which case, I think that his not being able to play would be entirely his fault?

Thats the candy coated dream of the system working https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/06/22/overwatch-avoid-this-player/ and it becomes a skilled player being locked out of the game because high tier players agreed we don't want to see his kind here

OccupyRanked1 votes

That one appears to be based on fear, but you would want that player on your team if they are successful, as you would gain elo.

Or, you could make it last one month, and then you have to reassign it to players after playing a game with them.

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

That one appears to be based on fear, but you would want that player on your team if they are successful, as you would gain elo.

Or, you could make it last one month, and then you have to reassign it to players after playing a game with them.

If it can be abused it won't be implemented

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

The only way everyone would say that would be if he was literally the worst human being on earth. In which case, I think that his not being able to play would be entirely his fault?

You underestimate the internet human willingness to fuck the system.

OccupyRanked1 votes

True, so make it only available after playing with that player once, and make it last one month.

Zombiemaster1 votes

and their recent permabans over smite singed and smite nunu have empowered the very members of this community who ruin the game to be even more vocal in flaming/reporting teammates who do not play their way

Okay, I don't really want to talk about the bans of these two players, but I do want to clarify one thing. Neither the support Nunu nor the support Singed players were permanently banned. The Singed player received a 14 day ban, and if I recall correctly a threat of a permanent ban, which I believe Riot later stated was out of line. The Nunu player had also received a 14 day ban, not a permanent ban, though with everything that happened afterward, Riot lifted the ban early and are now reevaluating how they approach such cases.

OccupyRanked1 votes

Ok, fair enough, I guess I haven't done enough follow up on the situations(I don't usually follow the forum boards and such) but I feel any ban for such a thing is unwarranted and would eventually thoroughly discourage unique play styles. The main reason I fell in love with this game was the fact that there were so many different ways to successfully play champions and roles, and thus no two games were exactly alike(rip AP GANGPLANK).

I just don't want to see that eventually fall in favor of forcing everyone into cookie cutter molds like WoW and other games that tried to expand their player base.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Riot's stance is that if your team tells you it doesn't want the support to play a certain way, that support MUST conform to the wishes of the team.

Actually, Riot's official stance hasn't come out yet. Both those bans were, to my knowledge, lifted, and Riot has stated they're having meetings about the issue so that they can figure out how they want to officially address the issue. Meddler talks about it here.

Kei1431 votes

did you know that they unbanned the Nunu?

Telephone Booth1 votes

Just a couple misleading things you said that I have to kind of clarify...

Riot isn't catering to toxic players. Toxicity has nothing to do with it. If someone goes off meta and the other guy is toxic, the toxic person will still get punished. We all know Riot has a strong stance against toxicity.

Also you said that if someone doesn't want you to play support a certain way, you must conform. I think it's more if they don't want you to play off meta. That would be a more accurate way of stating that. The way you say it sounds misleading. If someone says play sona, but you pick taric with exhaust, riot would never ever punish you, because taric and exhaust are meta.

I get your point, but the way you state things are a little misleading and make you sound quite bias. Like you have an agenda against Riot and you are willing to use misleading tactics to sway people's opinions. It's like politician tactics, which we all hopefully find deplorable.

OccupyRanked1 votes

I say it the way I do, because on several occasions, Riot has stated that they do not "enforce a meta". So for you to say someone is playing "off meta" would be something Riot would be claiming to not be concerned with. Obviously there is a difference from playing "off meta" and trolling. If I wish to play smite nunu support(and counter jungle the enemy camps, not my own teams), or Camille support, or even crit braum top lane, that should be my prerogative, so long as I am legitimately playing to have fun and trying to win. Period.

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