From 14dban to PERMA-d laying down the law. But is it too much?

Blam·12/1/2017, 2:12:18 PM·4 votes·760 views

Clearly toxicity needs to be punished.

Ok, repetitive toxicity needs to be punished even harsher to get the point across.

That all makes sense, what I do not understand is how you go from 14 ban to permanent.

For example I received ALL of my bans from ATTEMPTING to play ranked because the rewards are EXCLUSIVE to anyone that achieves gold.

Ok, so on my main account all my bans were in repetition from trying to grind to gold at the end of the season, on that account I had spent over 2k$ on the game.

I understand that a permanent ban feels good to issue out, or maybe it doesnt! I know it doesn't for any passionate dev.

You can justify a permanent ban by saying the game is "free to play" sure, yes it is free.

Here's a proposition and I beg, nay; implore you to hear it: The current banning needs get rid of permanent banning and replace it with a season ban. AND at the beginning of the next season they start off on the naughty list. If they start off being toxic again they are immediately banned for the rest of that season.

There is all kinds of context, hell; there are police officers who drive home from the bar I fucking know about it. PLEASE rethink your banning system.

A season ban makes a lot more sense than a "PERMANENT stamp this dood into oblivion" ban.

Please consider. Ily; idgaf about my permanently banned account and I also understand that this would be a difficult measure to implement. As a company of creative minds and resources, I'm sure if you think this is a correct approach, you can figure something out.

60 Comments

ModThe Djinn12/1/2017, 2:33:39 PM8 votes

That all makes sense, what I do not understand is how you go from 14 ban to permanent.

The reason this happens is because Riot has discovered in the past that more bans/longer bans do not correlate to improved behavior. When evidence shows that past a certain point more warnings are useless, there's not really a reason to offer more chances.

ModPeriscope12/1/2017, 2:29:16 PM7 votes

Why should an account be given yet another chance after failing to reform 3x? So it can fail a 4th time?

You have 2 weeks to contemplate and change your behavior, not counting time spent on chat restriction.

If you're not willing to reform, you shouldn't have the same access to champs and skins that everyone else has.

ModUlanopo12/1/2017, 2:23:44 PM6 votes

Here's a proposition and I beg, nay; implore you to hear it: The current banning needs get rid of permanent banning and replace it with a season ban.

Riot doesn't like banning accounts. They go to considerable effort to avoid having to do so.

The reason the punishment volcano is structured the way it is, however, is because toxic players drive away more business than they bring in and due to the fact that people who are going to reform generally do so within one or two punishments, regardless of what those punishments are. Once someone has demonstrated an unwillingness to change, throwing additional chances at them only punishes the people who have to play with them.

Colgate Gator12/1/2017, 4:45:02 PM2 votes

So, basically, you're accepting that you broke the rules and got punished for it, but don't want to be so harshly punished now that you got the shit end of the stick?

Paladin of Faith12/1/2017, 2:17:08 PM1 votes

A season ban would actually be a good idea yes. Pernament banned players often make a new account and then continue being toxic. Why wouldn't they, they are already permanent banned anyway, they don't have anything to lose (except for their new account which does't have that much value). A season ban could motivate people to make a new start in their next season.

General Esdeath 12/1/2017, 10:10:23 PM1 votes

Yeah no. 1K game chat bans didn't work, season bans just mean trolls come back every year for a month. Perma ban is Riot saying "Don't come to our game, you aren't welcome"

Falkentyne12/1/2017, 4:08:38 PM1 votes

Vade, I agree with you (I've gamed since the days of Qtest and Kali; most people on this forum have no idea what that even is), and permanently banned playeres don't leave; they simply BUY or reroll a new account and instead of trying to ruin games where players know to /mute all and report, they ruin NEWBIES and BEGINNER'S GAMES. And you tell me ONE new player who knows what the /mute all command is, and I'll sell you a house in North Korea. In the countryside.

Permanently banning accounts for all but the WORST possible infractions is beyond nazi-level silly. The right thing to do is do something that has never been done yet:

PERMANENT CHAT REMOVAL. I don't mean chat restriction.

PERMANENT REMOVAL OF ALL ABILITY TO SEND TEXT IN GAME. Meaning you don't get 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 in game messages to send. You get ZERO.

Want to call that guy who got caught in the enemy jungle the N word? TOUGH. Shout it at your screen! Want to flame your adc? TOUGH. Spit on your monitor at his pixels. No way to be salty anymore, huh?

There. Can't be toxic anymore. And you can still communicate with friends. How? Whispers.

See? Using your brain to think critically in 2k17 isn't hard, is it?

Save the permanent bannings for those that go out of their way to grief without typing.

So how exactly is THIS a bad idea?

Sorin Alucard12/1/2017, 6:12:39 PM1 votes

I believe the problem with the current system is focus. As long as you watch trigger words and dont sell all your items to buy tears, you can continuously throw or mess with people and you likely will not receive punishment.

The focus on chat and the form of punishment (even perma) are both ineffective means to Riot's end. More players just venting (that could be muted) are tossed out of their accounts while they watch trolls skate by. Supposedly its justified cuz the system catches teenagers using "trigger" words to mess with sensitive people. (Not backing being a bigot just criticizing the choice of response as more of a tantrum than solution)

So in the end rather than advocate the almighty mute and encouraging players to ignore the foul mouthed, Riot's opted to use a non human robot to scoop your language out of context and deliver those punishments---------but you cant still mute and be just as effective at dealing with the problem

Instead of keeping the punishment for chat violations to chat punishments, the robot can escalate the ban into a perma----- for most players that were just venting at a troll or overly feeding teammate they might just leave league period. Or they'll be the pissed off stubborn player. So the pissed off player makes a new account (yay new season no real set back). They didnt change or learn any lesson they can just jump right back in doing the same shit. Now, they'll either get banned AGAIN and repeat the cycle, or they'll wise up and troll as a means of griefing instead of calling you a "n****r". What is the result?

Players who aren't really toxic but banter or tell people they need to get better just shut up and help no one---- don't wanna risk the robot getting mad cuz you used the wrong language

Most players have become distrustful of each other, because a report without context is likely to result in punishment. Using chat is more of a ban risk than not using chat so communications are down as opposed to up. If someone is even remotely offended by you you're probably receiving a report

Trolls don't really get punished unless they're obvious ------- KDA is not an obvious indicator because a robot can't review the game and determine you were dying on purpose as opposed to getting stomped

The community has become 20-40 min of "witch hunting the troll" and seeing who deserves reports for using offensive language. There has always been rage in the community but at least when I started playing reports were focused on people's ACTIONS.

ACTIONS like trolling that a human could review and see (regardless of how people felt in the chat) that someone indeed crossed the line and threw the game. It makes no sense that a player can lose their account for typing KYS 100x more easily than ruining 100 games in a row.

I'm all for people not using hate speech but the way Riot has decided to deal with it is utterly ineffective. They've put weight on words over actions and we have ALWAYS had ways of dealing with bad language. We do not however have ANY control over those who ruin games on purpose or take spiteful ACTIONS to ruin the game.

I love this game but I find myself playing less and less and less. Its not because the changes aren't awesome in the gameplay, its because I quit making random friends and competitive rivals. I used to get challenged to 1v1 fights after a bit of banter or vice versa. Sometimes people I fought with on my team became my friends later. Even though there were assholes, we were allowed to be competitive and criticize. We still had chat restrictions if it went too far, not bans for the first time we lost our temper. None of that happens now. Now the only players talking are either petty or about to get banned for whining too much.

Make mute great again. Bring back tribunal

Sarutobi12/1/2017, 7:17:52 PM1 votes

The thing is what will Seasonable ban actually do? If anything they'll just tell people its ok to break the rules (any rules for that matter) and it perfectly ok because you just cant play during a season so there is no real consequences! There needs to be something to punish people and this doesnt seem like the right thing to do!