Reasons why permabans can be appealed now

ChallengerSoraka·Jul 25, 2018·3 votes·1,849 views

-Instant feedback is too harsh, places punishment after a bad game even though for MOST of the players games they are great and honorable -permabanned accounts owners are not creating new accounts and re-buying old stuff (money slippage) -money sensors/algorithms are showing less money earned from ip's/mac addresses that have bans (banned players arent shelling money to replace acct)

im an example of this in this account i had like 75 honors straight in a row, i kept getting keys and was rewarded for good behavior, then i had 3 bad days and was 14 day suspended, i took the suspension like a man, a week later after awesome honorable games i had 1 bad day --> permaban. im not shelling new money on a new acct anymore, im looking to get my money back from a chargeback and taking my time/money somewhere else

12 Comments

Umbral RegentJul 25, 20187 votes

First, let me preface by saying that I'm generally against the idea of repealing correctly-placed permanent bans. I'm not sure why Riot would go back on their word of not repealing permanent bans unless they were placed in error (if they are, anyway), but, y'know.

Instant feedback is too harsh, places punishment after a bad game even though for MOST of the players games they are great and honorable

This is arguable at best. Depending on the tier of punishment, the IFS gives ample time to build up to a punishment, especially early on. If you earn a chat restriction, you either went pretty far off the deep end (getting a chat restriction from one game), or you've had several games of bad behavior that finally caught up to you.

And getting to a permanent ban generally means you've had 35+ games and 14+ days to adjust and reform, and despite at least three warnings, broke down anyway and wound up banned. That's not an issue of the IFS being too harsh, that's an issue of the player in question not taking things seriously.

permabanned accounts owners are not creating new accounts and re-buying old stuff (money slippage)

......That's the point, though. When Riot permanently bans someone, they don't want that player's money. They don't want the player to come back on a new account or buy more content, they want that player gone. Banned players not coming back is a positive, not a negative.

money sensors/algorithms are showing less money earned from ip's/mac addresses that have bans (banned players arent shelling money to replace acct)

I'm not sure how this is different from point 2, but, largely, the same argument applies. Riot doesn't want the business of a player they've had to permanently ban. If the player still spends money and works to replace their account, they didn't get the hint.

...im looking to get my money back from a chargeback and taking my time/money somewhere else

I'm pretty sure that's illegal. You've already spent your money, and Riot's already given you your content, you can't charge it back. That'd be fraud.

ChallengerSorakaJul 25, 20181 votes

i had an unauthorized user log into my paypal and made purchases without my knowing, i made a ticket already.

Umbral RegentJul 25, 20182 votes

Fair enough. I can't argue further (primarily as I'm in no place to be involved of your purchases or purchasing methods), but I have seen a few people previously declare chargebacks for purchases they've already made, so I felt it best to shut down that possibility ASAP.

Hope you get your purchase issue sorted out in short order, though.

Simba Is The CubJul 25, 20181 votes

Actually, Riot wants permabanned people to come back and reform not get rid of them entirely. If they did they would earn less money and less people would play them and as far as I know, big companies need a big player base. So reformed players they want.

Umbral RegentJul 25, 20183 votes

Actually, Riot wants permabanned people to come back and reform not get rid of them entirely. If they did they would earn less money and less people would play them and as far as I know, big companies need a big player base. So reformed players they want.

The issue is, Riot has stated before that they genuinely don't want players to come back after a permanent ban. Here's an example from Riot Tantram:

Actually, unsportsmanlike people kill the game. By removing them from the game it becomes more enjoyable, which increases player retention.

Besides - Riot already has a big playerbase. A millions-strong playerbase. They absolutely do not care to lose a handful of toxic players, since they have millions of other players who would gladly pay more than what the banned players would cover.

But it does have to be said that Riot does want reformed players - since, having non-toxic players helps keep other players in the game - but the opportunities to reform are before the Permanent ban, not after.

When Riot issues a permanent ban, the player has either suffered a 14-day ban from an especially egregious offense, or they've gone through the three punishments before it on the punishment ladder, and since they've broken the rules (likely) for the fourth time, ignoring several warnings and even a forced break with the threat of permanent suspension...

Well, the odds of that player actually reforming are slim. Why let them keep playing if they're not gonna play by the rules?

Also, I'm going to pick at your response to Kei143.

I've talked with Rioters and they want the toxic players to come back and reform. Don't talk that bs as if you've done your research kiddo. Don't just repeat what someone else said without proper knowledge.

You've talked with Rioters, but you don't provide any evidence of those chats? Typically, when you make a claim, you have to provide evidence, or nobody's going to be inclined to believe what you say. And since Rioters have mentioned a couple times on the Boards that they don't want permabanned players coming back (with one example shown above), I'm pretty sure most boards regulars have full reason to not believe you.

Also worth note;

Don't talk that bs as if you've done your research kiddo.

Don't talk down to people. It really hurts the likelihood anyone will believe you even further.

Don't just repeat what someone else said without proper knowledge.

Define "proper knowledge"? Kei143 and I both browse the PB boards regularly, and we've seen plenty of statements from Rioters that go against what you're trying to claim. Them saying the same thing as I did (that Riot doesn't want permabanned players to come back to buy more shit) isn't a case of them repeating what I said - we're both just raising counterarguments from a similar base of knowledge.

Kei143Jul 25, 20185 votes

If you've been toxic enough to get permabanned, Riot doesn't want any of your money, they want you gone from the game and not cause anymore trouble.

Commader KiwiJul 25, 20181 votes

you dont have to be toxic to be banned* , you can just be unmotivated to play the game and get banned for negative attitude- not wanting to win ' but escape the hell that is the game you're in

AeroWaffleJul 25, 20187 votes

"Toxic" is a blanket term that Riot started using to describe poor behavior that spreads (if one person aggravated you with their poor behavior you are more likely to show poor behavior as a result of your aggravation). And a person who is constantly showing a defeatist attitude is at the very least, aggravating.

It's not limited to harassing someone in chat.

Kei143Jul 25, 20184 votes

we really should be calling it "disruptive behavior", Kim Voll (new director of behavior) calls it that :P

It's much easier to understand than the vague terminology of "toxic".

Simba Is The CubJul 25, 20181 votes

I've talked with Rioters and they want the toxic players to come back and reform. Don't talk that bs as if you've done your research kiddo. Don't just repeat what someone else said without proper knowledge.

AneirinJul 25, 20181 votes

Got any stats for this? Not saying you're wrong, but it looks like you're presenting your guesses as fact. I very much doubt Riot tracks finances by IP address.