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People Banning Your Champion After A Dodge Post Lock-In

Floofzy Kitten·1/27/2020, 2:00:45 AM·2 votes·1,702 views

Obviously, the person who's "new" after the dodge has a chance to just randomly ban your champion, but this has gotten to the point where I'm certain people abuse dodges to ban the champions you and your team mates pick. I play Morgana a lot and, after a dodge where Morgana wasn't banned, she mysteriously becomes banned. This happened today when I picked Morgana and my team mate picked Sona. After a dodge, both of them were mysteriously banned, despite neither Sona or Morgana being banned previously. I can actually see Morgana being banned randomly as she has quite a high ban rate, but SONA?! This is especially obvious that the enemy team did this because they had banned Leona before the dodge, a powerful support at the moment, but then suddenly switched their ban to Sona.

The solution to this is simple: After a dodge, teams' aren't shuffled again, but in exchange everyone's bans stay the same. Of course the new question is: Wouldn't this affect team composition as the team with the new player will be unable to dedicate more than one ban to the new player, giving that team an unfair disadvantage?

Well, firstly, I believe people being able to ban your champion after a dodge post lock-in is more unfair. Secondly, the new player will still be able to ban any champion they wish, and whilst some teams do dedicate multiple bans to "protect" one player from a particularly bad matchup, the majority of players ban in their own self interest.

9 Comments

zPOOPz1/27/2020, 2:04:14 AM12 votes

Teams are matched roughly based on combined mmr. If you remake with exact same team again, matchmaking would have to find someone matching the mmr of the person who dodged AND the role of that person.

An even more simpler solution. Click decline or exit queue. Wait 5-10 seconds and queue back up.

TrulyBland1/27/2020, 2:31:56 AM4 votes

The solution to this is simple: After a dodge, teams' aren't shuffled again, but in exchange everyone's bans stay the same.

Except for the one player that self-evidently has to be a new player. Even disregarding what zPOOPz said and assuming you find that one single player that perfectly balances out the team: Should that player be forced to keep a ban they never actually committed themselves to? What if they main a champion banned by their own team. They now have been thrust in a game where they are innately at a disadvantage for something that somebody else did. Going even further: If people are allowed to choose different champions, why shouldn't they be allowed to ban, for example, different counterpicks?

At the end of the day your suggestion is flawed for the same reason why LP dodge penalties exist: The game starts with champion select. And given that bans are the first thing that happens in champion select, that means that if bans are locked from previous champion select, that would mean that the game in fact started with the previous champion select. That means that any new players (and there has to be at least one) were thrust into a pre-existing game. And that is clearly not fair.

MikeJ122O1/27/2020, 2:13:57 AM3 votes

Just cancel que after someone dodges, wait, then que up again.

Yin Yang Taoist1/27/2020, 3:13:41 AM3 votes

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Obviously, the person who's "new" after the dodge has a chance to just randomly ban your champion, but this has gotten to the point where I'm certain people abuse dodges to ban the champions you and your team mates pick. I play Morgana a lot and, after a dodge where Morgana wasn't banned, she mysteriously becomes banned. This happened today when I picked Morgana and my team mate picked Sona. After a dodge, both of them were mysteriously banned, despite neither Sona or Morgana being banned previously. I can actually see Morgana being banned randomly as she has quite a high ban rate, but SONA?! This is especially obvious that the enemy team did this because they had banned Leona before the dodge, a powerful support at the moment, but then suddenly switched their ban to Sona.

The solution to this is simple: After a dodge, teams' aren't shuffled again, but in exchange everyone's bans stay the same. Of course the new question is: Wouldn't this affect team composition as the team with the new player will be unable to dedicate more than one ban to the new player, giving that team an unfair disadvantage?

Well, firstly, I believe people being able to ban your champion after a dodge post lock-in is more unfair. Secondly, the new player will still be able to ban any champion they wish, and whilst some teams do dedicate multiple bans to "protect" one player from a particularly bad matchup, the majority of players ban in their own self interest.

OP, always decline the Q after a dodge. People will see your picks and always ban them! And what you said makes sense about not shuffling teams but eh, Riot's probably not going to fix this. They've had so many suggestions on so many fronts, nothing's been taken care of so far. I highly doubt this being paid attention to.

Malix Farwin1/27/2020, 8:26:08 AM1 votes

If you pick something people hate like Yasuo Fizz Diana Senna Akali you better reet queue after a dodge because it will be banned next queue.

deathgod51/27/2020, 9:11:12 AM1 votes

Its a problem yes, that's why most one tricks cancel out a queue after a dodge. However, for people who don't one-trick, it would be much more annoying to wait out the full 3 minutes for a match again.

Because both sides of the coin have a solution already(dodge or accept that your previous champ might be banned) I don't think it is a good idea to change it in the way you suggest.