Why does Riot always take the bully's side?

Kevin Carbonara·7/21/2019, 4:39:21 AM·1 votes·2,728 views

Right now, the only way to get someone punished is to vote en masse and let the automated system handle it. You can try asking the enemy to help you report, but that's against the rules. So you're most likely to get punished from people teaming up in queue and reporting you. They can harass you penalty-free because they know you don't have enough reports to fight back. But if you say anything to defend yourself, Riot will take the bullies' side, because mods never overturn punishment.

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Hotarµ7/21/2019, 5:13:41 AM11 votes

the only way to get someone punished is to vote en masse. You can try asking the enemy to help you report, but that's against the rules. So you're most likely to get punished from people teaming up in queue and reporting you.

Multiple reports don't do anything. It only takes one report to trigger a game for automatic review.

The reason Riot considers report-calling harassment is because it's pointless, it doesn't accomplish anything and usually leads to more in-fighting than anything else.

But if you say anything to defend yourself, Riot will take the bullies' side, because mods never overturn punishment.

There's a difference between defending yourself and stooping to their level.

If they're flaming you and you flame them back, you're both breaking the rules. It doesn't matter who started it first, Riot doesn't want negativity in any capacity.

I know it's frustrating to deal with flamers and griefers but that doesn't give you the freedom to say whatever you want. Mute them, report them, and move on.

Zane Zephyr7/21/2019, 4:44:14 AM9 votes

Multiple reports don't do anything. All it takes is one report for a game to get flagged and for riot to look at it.

And "defending" yourself does nothing. It adds nothing to the game and usually "defending" yourself means you're likely being just as toxic as they are.

What are you "defending" against? A group of people that you'll 99% never see or play with again? Who gives a crap what they think or say? If it bothers you that much what other people say of you, then mute them and play the game, or don't play at all if that's too much to ask. You are 100% responsible for you own behavior and actions.

Zane Zephyr7/22/2019, 4:54:12 AM2 votes

Wanna see what happens when you aren't toxic when you have a premade on your team?

https://gyazo.com/513fd1a494c0f331e8495efbda5d6730

Tuition Fee7/21/2019, 1:57:58 PM2 votes

You can defend yourself, though it's not usually worth it. Something like "stop flaming and play" doesn't hurt every once in a while, though, although I only do it when they're flaming another teammate, because it makes the guy getting flamed feel better usually.

TheBrothersGrymm7/22/2019, 5:59:46 AM1 votes

they spend more money

SanZero7/22/2019, 5:53:52 PM1 votes

I don't know if it about "bully side", but sure they will not be on yours

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ModPrandine7/23/2019, 5:24:23 PM1 votes

From the Instant Feedback System FAQ:

WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT!

Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

From Understanding Getting Permabanned:

WHY DID I GET PERMABANNED? You got permabanned because you continued your disruptive behavior. Usually by the time you have reached being permabanned, you have already been banned before. During each of these bans, you have been given your chat logs or other kinds of evidence that have led to the bans to help you learn and improve your own actions.

I DON’T DESERVE THE BAN! ANOTHER PLAYER DESERVES IT. We can not discuss other players’ actions with you but you can always report them at end of game and mute them when in-game. Regardless of how others act, there is no excuse for raging back or responding to people trying to get you to tilt. You are the only one responsible for your actions and your words.

WHAT I SAID IN GAME DIDN’T DESERVE A BAN. We work with the overall community and within our own company guidelines to identify what disruptive behavior is and what the consequences for those behaviors should be. Again, this is not the first time you have been told your actions were inappropriate. We understand that it can be difficult to know where the line is, which is why we provide chat logs and we have a few tiers in the ban process in order to allow for you to learn and grow.

From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

These kinds of rules aren't exclusive to League either as they apply to real life as well. Most businesses will have no problems throwing out people fighting with each other and disrupting business regardless of who started it. The "they started it/were worse" excuse didn't work in school and it doesn't work here.

P.S. Us forum mods don't work for Riot and are simply volunteers and thus have no bearing on who receives game account punishments or not. At this point you've been given all the info you need, so you can either accept the facts and move on or continue to act like you are always right and get nowhere in the future, you're choice.

P.S.S Incorrect punishments are overturned, such as if it was overly harsh or overly lenient, but punishments not given in error are not overturned.