Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America

KORGtuners·3/23/2017, 6:43:45 PM·4 votes·411 views

The thread title is a documentary movie.

The movie shows Daryl reforming some of the most toxic people by using the power of compassion.

The movie is a testament to the buddhist teaching: "Love alone from hatred releases." And the christian teaching: "Love thy enemy".

Do you have Ideas on how Riot can use compassion to reform toxic players?

Edit: Daryl says, "How can you hate me, if you don't even know me?". I think it is very important that people understand that is a "two-way street". Toxic people have reasons they are toxic. Try to get to know why they are toxic before you hate them.

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ModThe Djinn3/23/2017, 6:59:33 PM2 votes

{quoted}Edit: Daryl says, "How can you hate me, if you don't even know me?". I think it is very important that people understand that is a "two-way street". Toxic people have reasons they are toxic. Try to get to know why they are toxic before you hate them.

I agree with the sentiment, definitely. Heck, that's part of the reason that I hang out on this board and try to help anyone who wants a legitimate conversation about why their actions might be hurting others, or why they've been punished and how they can avoid it in the future.

The problem with this comes from the scope. League has an ENORMOUS playerbase. If we assume that the boards are correct and the percentage of toxic players is higher than Riot says it is (we'll say 5%, so 1 in every 2 games has a toxic player, which is, I believe, far too high a number), that's about 3.5 million players. There's not time to be able to address each one's unique reasons and find a unique solution that will help them find a way to play without toxicity, although I'd love it if there were. Even if that number is off by a factor of 10 that's still 350,000 players, compared to Riot's Community and Player Behavior teams. It's just untenable.

Riot has attempted to be compassionate in giving many people multiple chances with their escalating ban system, but I understand not everyone feels that way about it. To improve on that you'd need to design a largely automated system that is, somehow, compassionate and able to help players with multiple reasons for their toxicity, and be able to identify those who legitimately want to improve vs. those who don't give a damn. I'm just not sure that's POSSIBLE, although I'd be interested to hear your ideas.

Upvoted your OP for discussion, btw. I'm interested to see where the conversation goes.

ModUlanopo3/24/2017, 1:22:43 AM1 votes

Try to get to know why they are toxic before you hate them.

Why do you assume Riot and the player base "hates" toxic people? Most people just don't want to play with them. Just like someone who doesn't like beets would prefer not to be served a plateful of beets.

Also, why is it always the expectation with you that the toxic player bears no responsibility for their behavior? You're continually arguing that toxic people will become less toxic if only everyone else would stop being so mean to them. Why do you think the burden belongs on those who aren't breaking the rules?

The movie is a testament to the buddhist teaching: "Love alone from hatred releases."

I feel you're trying to muddle the argument by mixing personal philosophies with social mores. A community has rules, else it's not a community (that's more than a slick tautology, by the way).

Nik Nikerson3/24/2017, 9:04:52 AM1 votes

Racism is generally a position taken from ignorance. They don't understand what's wrong with their beliefs. They aren't being racist just for the lols. Education and interaction can solve this.

An internet troll that does something just to irritate other people isn't operating from ignorance. They know what is wrong with what they are doing, and are still making that choice. They understand they are ruining a game for 9 other people. What are you going to educated them on that they are not already aware of?