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A second chance for permanently banned people?

Talon The First·6/7/2017, 8:51:51 PM·27 votes·4,642 views

Ladies and Gentleman,

Recently there has been a post in the german League of Legends boards which discussed wether permanently banned people should receive a second chance from riot or not. I decided to put the discussion right here too since here is a bigger player base. I would be happy for any comment or vote you could leave. I really like the topic and that is why I wanted to see more opinions about it. Excuse me if my english is not 100% perfect. Btw in the german boards the 'Yes, always' had 50 votes, the 'Yes, but not 4 cheaters' had 31 votes, the 'Yes, but not 4 flamers' had 6 votes, the 'Depending on the circumstances' had 30 votes (including mine), the 'Yes, but for payment' had 8 votes, the 'No, never' had 38 votes and the 'No, only in rare cases' had 11 votes. I left the last option to pick which was 'I don't know' with 5 votes. I find it quite interesting to see that the League of Legends community has such different views of a single topic.

102 Comments

Geauxx6/7/2017, 9:00:27 PM19 votes

Isn't that the point of a 14 day ban?

Reform or you end up with a perm ban?

Kamadon6/7/2017, 9:05:24 PM9 votes

I think the whole tribunal System should be reworked. The reasons people Report each other for are far from realistic. I am not sure if any of the people who ever reported me were facing discussions in their real (work-) life for example. Arguing even to the Point of flaming should allways be allowed in games. If it doesn't go way to far from the reallity it should totally be allowed. For example flaming someone who is coninously not improving allthough you tell him what to do won't be banned in any case, while on the other hand the person flaming him because he doesn't see any of his advices converted into his teammates playstyle is way more likely to be banned. This system is nonsense and far from reality.

Zielmann6/7/2017, 8:54:42 PM7 votes

That would defeat the purpose of it being "permanent", no?

NinjaGuy696/7/2017, 8:58:41 PM7 votes

I mean people who were permanently banned usually do get a second chance. It's called a 14-day ban. Unless you're doing something truly nefarious like scripting, DDoSing or boosting, then the worst punishment you can receive is a 14-day ban. That ban gives people time to reflect on their actions and learn from them. Those who reform are likely to not be punished again. Those who remain toxic will probably receive a permaban shortly after returning to League of Legends. The reform system seems to be working as intended.

hi im Rizzuto6/7/2017, 8:54:13 PM7 votes

i think yes since this game promotes player reform

I refuse to chat6/7/2017, 10:12:12 PM5 votes

I was permabanned for spam pinging. No email, no warning, no 14 day ban. It wasn't "reportable" so it skipped straight to a manual review. I knew I was annoying but didn't know I would be perma banned for it. Nowadays you can mute pings, people spam them and never get punished, and even tyler1 is getting 2nd looks from riot about his ban. A 2nd chance for me would be nice, but I don't see it ever happening, even if other players get unpermabanned.

GreatWhiteNorth7/22/2017, 5:48:51 AM4 votes

Having forgiveness for payment is an incredibly bad idea.

#1 This would encourage Riot games to ban people for no reason, and thereby generate suspicion that this is what they are doing.

#2 Anyone with a lot of income just wouldn't care about getting banned. I can already see a post on boards about someone typing "idc I just pay to unban".

Troll for Trump6/7/2017, 9:18:39 PM3 votes

I think the people just demonize permabanned players too much. Some people just take longer to reform (Tyler1).

Jo0o6/7/2017, 9:03:51 PM3 votes

This was attempted before. If I recall correctly, players were allowed to start a new account, and if they could make it to level 20 without being punished, they'd get their main account back.

The results were so overwhelmingly negative that Riot scrapped the program. People just couldn't pull it off.

So while I respect your desire to forgive people, it's been tried and found to not work.

Vumzuces6/8/2017, 2:24:40 AM3 votes

As someone who has been perma banned before.. i think having a second chance depending on the reason you were perma banned in the first place could be reasonable.

I personally was perma banned for being cocky in chat when destroying enemies or raging in chat when getting bad teams. However that was over a year ago and i haven't had a single warning on my new account since. I understand the term permanent being forever but perhaps they could decrease it to a year or 2 as a lot can change in that persons life over the course of 1, 2 or 3 years.

I think i was around 16 at the time of the ban, and am currently 18 and about to go off to uni.. theres a huge difference and I guess it wouldn't do any harm if riot proposed some changes to their perma ban system.

PandaPenyihir6/8/2017, 5:12:22 AM3 votes

Maybe we should just try something new and start giving perma banned accounts a chance again and see what the data brings up?

can't hurt to try, its not like this community is getting any better anyway.

Angrychickén6/8/2017, 7:01:49 PM3 votes

So, just my five cents on the topic,

I think that humans in general are basically all good.

We can all have problems, we are not perfect.

Some people forget themselves and act in ways they normally wouldn't if given the option of anomynimity, or not being punished. Think the Purge.

A permanent ban is really the full wake up call, not the 2 week ban, not the warning that comes with it, but the final level.

And I think, that if people see the consequences of their actions, they will do much better.

But that's just my five cents.

ibeatanerexia6/9/2017, 3:25:25 AM3 votes

I don't think telling someone they suck should require a ban or a restriction. The other person should realize it and try to fix it. So they don't ruin the game for others who would like to win.

ModKnightsKemplar6/8/2017, 5:42:17 PM3 votes

Here's the reason I put "No, never."

If you are bad enough to get a permanent ban, then I think you need a permanent reminder to be nice. A banned account sits as a nice reminder to you about what can happen if you can't abide by the rules.

Chat restrictions and 14-bans are designed to push players to reform. They are temporary reminders that toxic behavior isn't tolerated. If a temporary reminder is enough for the person to reform, then those measures are enough.

If a temporary reminder doesn't work, though, then they clearly need a more permanent reminder. A banned account actually costs that person something; it is a real and permanent consequence for their real, toxic behavior. There are players that can reform without that permanent reminder, and they get their chance to do that. By the time you are getting a perma-ban, you have already exhausted your second and third chances (most of the time).

Therefore, I believe that "second chances" on any account undermine the effectiveness of the system overall. They already get a "second chance" (or fourth of fifth, depending on their punishments in the past); they can make a new account.

Silly Neeko6/7/2017, 9:05:03 PM2 votes

Depending on the circumstances, I have seen some things that it was kinda funky how they got perma banned.

One of them was telling the other team what their ally had called them and was asking for a report for them..... (they had said the N word)..... And got banned right along side the person who was actually toxic.

They could have to register a new account that is linked to that account (no pre existing accounts), since they already say that people can make a new account still.... Apart from what I heard about Tyler1 who is perma banned and if they see him playing they will ban the account.... And they can prove themselves trying to reform. When they prove themselves to be a better influence on the community for an extended period of time, then they can potentially get their perma banned account back.

However this will come at a cost of if they get into trouble again, they will have both of those accounts banned and be unable to to get either of them back again.

Oelyk6/8/2017, 4:54:29 AM2 votes

I am no fan of flamers or people whose actions warrant that tier of punishment. As much as people think this whole second chance thing is honorable and merciful, people who actually learn accept the punishment and move on from it, while those who can't get past it only want to get back.