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Actually Penalized For Stating Our Comp Was Unviable

zecastar·3/10/2017, 5:31:02 AM·25 votes·4,021 views

I had faith in the system and my right to express an opinion without harassing or insulting others till this happened. However, I guess the system does not understand the difference between valid reports and false reports well enough and considers reports worthy of consideration regardless of merit.

Our comp. was awful and our players were not working together at all in the game or in the lobby to alleviate the issues. They basically had the attitude of "I don't care... I do what I want and the team can pay for it. Everyone can be thrown under the bus if I have my fun." When I stated my opinion about the comp., I got flamed hard, called autistic, and was met with profanities. I was firmly under the impression that I cannot be punished merely for expressing another point of view and in this case, I don't think it was even really a matter of opinion. Our comp. actually was awful when judged coldly. I'm not here to be a team cheerleader and to promote false delusions. I will be HONEST. As far as I'm concerned, this moves past reducing harassment and bullying straight into thought control. In fact, I was the one actually being bullied here (all chat calls for reports etc.) just because I didn't say everything was sunshine and roses when it clearly was not. It was entirely within our power to never find ourselves in such a situation. The game was just automatically reviewed and I got the penalty seconds after it ended so clearly no human read the log to actually understand anything. The game I'm discussing is game 1.

Here are the glorious chat logs of the worst offenses Riot's bots could find due to reports:

*I apologize for the awful typos but I only typed while moving or dead so I'm not focusing on such things. Also, keep in mind that you have no idea about what I'm actually responding to and nothing is said in a vacuum randomly. The most I see is me vehemently disagreeing with certain team decisions. I'm not just going off on someone out of the blue or even criticizing them personally. It's all about the decisions.

Game 1 me: best mias NA me: not that it matters me: this game is compositionally lost after the zed pick regardless me: it's going to miss a large percentage fo time at that range me: that's how hes balanced me: anyway idaf, this was lost at champ select me: basically unless we go 10-0 me: no point getting mad when it's clear you guys had no desire to win anyway me: i'm not even slightyl tilted me: the comp is just not viable at all me: the zed pick autoloses the game me: especially witha t ank top me: why? am i wrong? me: it's just logic me: can't get me banned for stating a well supported opinion me: i didn't insult anyone or anything me: i stated the comp is unviable me: and autoloses without a massive lead me: no it's not me: because it's not an attidude me: its'a r ealtiy me: it's not random negative comment me: that's like saying it's raining when it's actualyl raining me: nothing to do with emotion me: or atitude me: you can be in denial but it is what it is me: no it's not me: and i am allwoed to talk as much as i liek me: you can mute if you want but it's certainly against no rule me: it's not "sht talk" it's a well reasoned analysis me: i can explain exactly why if you want me: if you find talking annoying, don't read it or don't respond to it me: you're right, it doesn't take much but it does still take something which actually is valid me: criticizinga comp and offering explanations is not me: no, because i'm not complaining about others talking me: i'm not the one who said it was annoying me: read me: trist did me: trist is someone me: you can make false reports but criticizng a comp and not agreeing with you isn't among the options me: and i'm sure even you realize that me: i don't have to say the comp is viable when it's not just to please you me: i did jg me: i jsut got 2 manned at every buff me: if you can't deal with a dissenting opinion, that's not my problem me: yeah i did but i didn't die to him, I died due to rotations me: and the bot rotationw asnt pigned me: yes i invaded but their lane was MIA me: i had no issue fighting lee sin me: zed, there is absolutely no merit to anyt me: so i think you realize it me: yes i do me: someone stating a comp isn't viable... explaining why... no AP mid, almost no cc, ,malp hard countering our 3 AD/AutoA me: isn't against any rule me: you are allowed to express yourself and offer opinions... this isn't even me: random me: it's not an opinion it's a fact me: what isn't allowed is harassment etc. me: you are allowed to mute me: or not read it me: nope, i never did me: and it's not spamming me: i am not repeating the same thing me: nor am i advertizing anyhting me: i am merely responding to you me: or otehrs me: because spelling isn't my focus while playing me: actually completley false... they say that me stating the comp isnt viable is negative me: not true

Game 2 me: who was taking so long?? me: zzzzz me: reported me: afk me: thanks for ruining the game by being afk in a bush me: die cancervern me: broken pos that isn't nerfed for some reaosn despite 57% average winrate with that me: and pick ban pro play me: abuse the freelo while you can you disgusting tree me: ban that cancer ivern next time me: ther eare people who play him
me: you're completley wrong... he's god tier at every elo me: literalyl the highest winrate jg by a huge margin me: and for experienced players over 60% winrate in diamond1 + me: he's straight busted me: you can even be bad and still easily get diamond me: don't you feel bad about abusing such a broken freelon champion? me: 57% average winrate and 60%+ in diamond 1.... disgusting broken pos me: you're COMPLETELY WRONG and every metric proves it not just pro play me: he's actualyl BY FAR THE MOST BROKEN CHAMPION IN THE GAME NOT JUST JUNGLER me: YEAH IGNORE ALL STATS LMAO me: ivern is completley busted me: by every metric ther is at every level me: just because he doesnt have huge damage doesn't mean he isn't god tier and utterly disgustingly unfairly busted me: look at thes tats if you odnt blieve me: o me: Im not just randomly saying this me: no me: I HATE PLAYING HIM, yes hes freelo high plat/d5 no matter how bad you are me: but i hate his playstayle me: is houdlnt be froced to play a champion just because he overshadows almost he entire roster me: that's NOT TRUE AT ALL there are many unpopular jgs with nowhere near tha twinrate me: it is NOT about playrate me: at all me: and 5% isn't that small me: hes just straight fn busted and even pro players say it me: not just stats me: you just dont realize it becuase his damage is low me: but his kit as a whole is fn absurd me: he's a nunu janna god tier child me: yeah im titled because it's unfair me: it's actually unfair for a champion witha 5% playrate to have a 57% average winrate even in plat+ me: and for experienced players, 61% in diamond 1 + me: it's straight bs me: absolutely insane me: compeltely fn busted me: not even graves does that me: or shaco me: i am right me: go look at the fn stats me: go look at similar playrate jgs me: you wont finda single one witht aht performance me: you say hes not busted but ahve zero evidence for it me: i am right me: go look at the evidence me: isntead of insiting on your incorrect assertiosn me: ok? good argument me: nice evidence me: for? me: yeah its my fault you die me: and i am your slave me: i have to do whatever you want me: thats how the game works me: i wasnt typing me: you die and then find a scapegoat me: don't lie to yourself me: you were under her turret when i was top and i left me: i said nothing till trundle blamed me for his 1v1 deaht me: it's weird how tf gets so worked up about ivern being busted... secret ivern main? me: not sure why you're taking ti personally like i insulted your dog me: or maybe i dont want to die to a poppy E? me: and i didnt steal anyhting me: i created that kill me: i ulted her and did most of the damge to her me: it's absurd how Riot allows Ivern in his state just because people don't complain as much about him since he's not a 100-0 champ like Rengar me: no me: statsiticaly shes not me: after the nerfs me: it just ameks sense me: her kit has big strengthsd me: but also big weaknessees me: go look at poppys winrate me: its 48% me: even in diamond+ me: experienced players get higher but not anyhting crazy me: dravens trying me: i never trolled... this tf can't have a discussion without getting mad me: i said ivern is busted, provided evidence me: and tf instead spouts profanities at me and isnults me me: hardly... can't have a good game with such huge imbalance in champions me: if you were playing something that wasn't graves, shaco or ivern, i'd say gg me: but this is as good as legalized cheating

Game 3 me: red start lee, likely top gank 3 min me: ill be 6 after blue me: idk why you force me: i got exhausted jsut fn back off me: wtf me: thats actualyl sooo fn bad me: you even lose the wave me: there was no reaosn me: i jsut dont get the thought proceses me: we saw lee bot, i get exhausted, im not 6, huge wave... all low hp all lwo mana me: stoptankign me: do you need it or em? me: infenral me: lee isnt here me: idk why we're even starting fights me: my whole jgs up me: and no objectiver tot ake me: viktor no ult me: why me: theres no objecitve me: no reaosn tof ight me: yeah and? me: what is more important than that wave? me: yeah there was me: it was an ult from fog of war me: their comp is so annoying me: i cant even move me: you dont ahve 4 tanks me: you have 1 tnak me: why are we doing this sht me: at least let me heal off drag me: i dont get why we ignore the objective me: toc hase a naut me: just stall me: we win late prob me: well vayne was bot, naut was top... can't believ we lost hat me: it's not my build as much as the score me: id pop anyway me: got focused by 3 me: and viktor utled me: wrong me: 3 people focused me me: id die there ven with 4k hp lol me: there isn't just one correct build for ww and i find the tank build broing me: you guys made as many miostakes as i did me: infernal up... we won fight... ic an heal me: you chse naut me: i cant stop them me: why would i back me: he dove and then he ran me: and then you guys followed all the way to the bush me: not really, i went 8 2 last game me: lol galio me: i am right me: 100% me: those decisions aren't exactly related to my play me: because it'sn not something i can stop me: and the game is over me: as well me: it was not over at infernal me: and many similar places me: for example, i gank bot, get exhausted, you guys go through the wave while lees bot me: i died a lot due to focus or ambushes, but i consider these chases 10x worse me: yeah i never said i was going to go tnak me: except i wasnt me: and i got exhausted because i wasnt me: this is way stronger in ganks me: bette rpesron? me: nothign to do wth it

BTW: This happened on a different account ranked Platinum 4 but I'd rather keep it anonymous. My intention here isn't to remove the chat restriction or get anything from anyone. I'm here to highlight a blatant flaw with the system - which is clearly way too reliant on report frequency rather than validity. I don't think any of my games here were that out of line for a heated competition.

Again, these aren't even the norm. These are the few games Riot could find which triggered reports. Two of which were mostly because I strongly maintained an opinion. The first was because I said our comp. wasn't viable and pretty much autoloses without snowballing. The second was me stating that Ivern is overpowered while someone on my team disagreed with me and basically called me an idiot to suggest Ivern was over the top. The last game was just strong disagreement with some team decisions. I'm not responsible for people's emotional problems and their inability to handle a competitive game with criticism.

91 Comments

NineTailedMystic3/10/2017, 6:01:06 AM29 votes

Sounds like overall severe negativity and some choice words in Game 2, not "because I merely stated our comp was unviable".

Only Play Darius3/10/2017, 6:20:20 AM15 votes

You seem to make a lot of comments that don't actually add anything constructive. Sometimes you need to just shut up and play, especially when it's something like a team composition issue that cannot be resolved after everyone has locked in their champions.

astralwit3/10/2017, 5:38:11 AM14 votes

On one hand if you play off-meta and your team doesn't like it, you get punished for "not communicating" which isn't even a report option. Here "communication" is code for do what's expected of you and what your team wants rather than actually sharing your plan. On the other hand, if you do communicate as here, it's reportable because they disagree with you and don't want your opinion unless it's that they're very special snowflakes. I guess fascism is alive and well, at least in certain video games.

BioticBrony3/10/2017, 7:14:26 AM12 votes

There is a whole lot more here than just "disagreeing with the team comp", considering how that was only one game of the three presented. The other chat logs show a very negative and rather rude attitude when it came to your teammates, and it obviously shows how you treated your teammates. You act very rude, and instead of just letting something go, you constantly bring it up and up again. If they were the ones who kept bringing it up, than why bother to respond?

These are not inherently toxic, but if I ever met you in real life, and you talked like that, it doesn't matter if you're stating a correct fact or opinion, I'd brand you off as a jerk, and would rather not be around you. Even if these are not that bad, we have no way of knowing whether or not you consistently act this way, this low brand negativity that drags the game down for everyone else, but considering how you did get a Chat restriction because of this, I'm rather inclined to believe you do act this way.

Three games aren't the only reason you got Chat restricted, and I'm skeptical to believe that each of your reports were done only by the people flaming you.

SirPurrr3/10/2017, 5:52:40 AM9 votes

I guess you have to just avoid talking in the future unless it's a compliment. It's sad but true. Don't even try to make calls or tell anyone superior builds. Someone will be randomly oversensitive and get offended for no reason. If you do this, Riot will consider you reformed and their system a great success even if you did nothing wrong to begin with. The way reports work isn't based on fairness, merit or any particular rule. It's about how some people who play with you feel. It doesn't matter if their feelings are unjustified because they will still attribute them to you and get you in trouble. It's a myth that reports are actually verified and reviewed in any meaningful way (as even the poster here was punished nearly instantly). It's based on statistics, not understanding. That's how the Nunu disruption support got banned at first. He was getting reported a ton even though he wasn't breaking any rule.

Peng0d3/10/2017, 6:33:50 AM8 votes

I basically stopped reading after this

me: die cancervern

This comment has nothing to do with an unviability of a comp. Definitely deserved a penalty if there are any other messages like this.

6Sfool3/10/2017, 8:36:46 AM6 votes

Toxic-not quite. Annoying- yes. Stating that your comp wont work is one thing- taking 50 lines to do so is another. Getting the last word in a league argument doesn't really matter. If you're right you're right, and there's no convincing people otherwise so it's best just to drop it after a while.

LaughingStapler3/10/2017, 6:54:29 AM6 votes

Need I say more?

Troll for Trump3/10/2017, 6:54:24 AM5 votes

Why is every little thing that irritates people "toxic" now?

Sp33d Zer03/10/2017, 6:44:13 AM3 votes

Just looking at the first few lines of the first game you come off as really toxic.

BasedJarvan4203/10/2017, 6:38:44 AM3 votes

You are typing WAAAAAAYYY too much in the game. You're the reason plat is so toxic.

Naked Baby Thief3/10/2017, 9:56:34 AM3 votes

Most of this isn't toxic.

Game 2 however.

What the robotic system probably saw was, " me: reported me: afk me: thanks for ruining the game by being afk in a bush me: die cancervern"

  1. Telling people they are reported, or telling your team to report someone, is considered Toxic. (This is according to current riot customer support, mind you, not my opinion).
  2. Saying "afk", the system probably assumed that you were going afk.
  3. Telling someone to die, yes, I think we can all consider that toxic behavior. Even if you are reviewed now, this seals the deal on you getting punished. Don't tell people to die.
vOmvbrawfU3/10/2017, 10:23:08 AM1 votes

You are probably the biggest meta-slave I've ever come across. You spend entire games crying about champs being "OP" or "stupid picks" because someone picked Zed. LOL. What a joke. We then also have no way of knowing whether or not your logs were real since you obviously edited at least the name so you can post from your bronze "smurf".

You weren't banned for "stating your team comp was unviable", you were banned for spamming chat with stupid shit about how OP you think the enemy pick is, and how stupid your team is for not agreeing with you or playing something else, like Zed (probably mid). If you can't comprehend the difference there, I don't know what to tell you.

You sound like the type of person that plays Yi jg and then cries about how troll your team is for not picking a tank top and support.