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HalcyonDweller·5/3/2017, 10:05:18 PM·1 votes·2,112 views

Hey, can I get some input here?

I saw a debate over auto-fill and queue dodging, where somebody argued that it was OK to try to force your teammates to dodge by being toxic or holding them hostage with a troll pick.

I removed their name for obvious reasons, no witch-hunts allowed.

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It's not just because of autofill, people want to dodge for many reasons.

5 AD teams for instance.

Or something really, really, off-meta.

You could "just stick with it" and enter the game with an already decreased chance of winning, or you can dodge and try to get a better game.

If you're in promos, have too many dodge penalties, or don't have enough time to spare to wait for another game, it's perfectly reasonable for the hostage situation. So long as it's not taken too far to the extremes, thogh

What are your thoughts? Do special cases like 'getting screwed by matchmaking' excuse this sort of behavior and make it OK?

25 Comments

ModThe Djinn5/3/2017, 10:18:02 PM4 votes

Attempting to force someone else to dodge is not acceptable -- it's pretty toxic behavior to hold people hostage, or be toxic at them to force them to leave.

If you want to dodge that badly, just dodge and take the hit yourself. Otherwise you're effectively ruining a game before it even begins.

YerroFever5/4/2017, 4:52:08 PM3 votes

I strongly dislike holding 4 people hostage because you don't like the role you got. If it's normal, dodge and wait.

If it's ranked, talk to the team. They're usually really open to it. I've had people ask for my role in ranked and we talked it out in pregame chat and swapped around and granted it only happened twice this season, we won both of those games. To me, that's totally worth it. I'd rather talk it out and rearrange teammate roles to where everyone can still play well and win instead of having 4 people happy and 1 person unhappy.

Douglas Funnie5/3/2017, 11:03:46 PM2 votes

Holding people hostage in champ select is a great strategy to use when you don't get your preferred role. You don't get banned for it, so it's acceptable. Intentional feeders are just having a bad game. People have bad games. The people who say mean things should get perma banned!

Flatlining5/3/2017, 11:54:43 PM2 votes

First off, I rarely dodge. In normals I don't really care about off-meta or trying something different at all. In ranked as long as people intend to be team players and contribute in some way if it doesn't work, I don't really care.

That being said, I said "in certain circumstances" and am playing devil's advocate for a moment.

What if it's another individual, or your team that's being toxic? Trash talking from the moment you get in the lobby? What if a toxic person is trying to force you to dodge? Should the people trying to play a game and actually be part of the team effort be the ones dodging when you've got one (or more) toxic players or trolls? If someone else is spamming chat with hate speech, bigotry, or is just a complete jerk as soon as chat is up, why should anyone else have a 6m timer?

or holding them hostage with a troll pick.

I've sort of done that before though it wasn't to hold the team hostage.

If I've got first pick, highlight my champ, and someone bans it just because they don't like it - well I'm going to make sure they don't like my next pick. You type in chat why you don't want it played, it might be a different story, but most of the time people will ban your pick simply because they're bad with it, don't understand your reasoning (like being in a party, it's not a strategy they've seen, etc), they want you to pick a specific champ b/c that's what they want, or even because they got autofilled and want another lane (but nobody wants to trade/they don't ask/whatever). Point is, they don't communicate, and just ban. Ok, that's totally allowed and not something people get punished for.

When that happens my response is I'll take a completely off-meta pick with the full intention of playing it as well as I can. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it's painful - but I'll go the distance. Also allowed, and tit for tat. You can do what you want, but so can I.

If the person banning banned simply because it wasn't their first choice, wasn't meta enough, they didn't like their lane (seems to be the most common), or whatever... they can dodge if they want but I'm not going to give them a free dodge. I'd rather try something completely different, whether it's viable or not, and since teamwork/communication are already lacking why not?

On a side note, sometimes doing that you learn new things... like Lux as ADC is actually kind of lulsy.

FioraWillCarry1/12/2020, 1:41:24 PM1 votes

It's a non issue. When I want to force a dodge, I would talk about how I went afk in my last game because my team was garbage and how I would do the same in this game if this team proves to be garbage too. Most times someone will dodge.

When you think about it, I didn't actually do anything. I just typed a few words. I didn't run it down, I didn't insult anyone so I didn't really do anything wrong.

MaMaDeW1/12/2020, 3:38:55 PM1 votes

Troll pick does not exist so it is acceptable. Rito called it "Faceless".

Aeszarck5/4/2017, 12:44:16 AM1 votes

It is never okay to force others to dodge, in my opinion. The player who wants a dodge should be the one to do the dodge. His or her interests are not above the team's interests.

KVbqbFsC8e5/4/2017, 6:45:55 AM1 votes

Probably not, but with the existence of autofill, I can't blame people for doing so.

IcyShadow111/12/2020, 8:33:42 AM1 votes

i voted yes thinking the vote for being okay to dodge if shit happens. yea, no its not okay to force people to dodge. I felt like i needed to dodge a game because we had 5 squishy champs playing into blitz/mord/yi, and my team thought it was okay. Of course they didnt want to dodge so i was forced to dodge.